Outgoing? Hamer

[Bladesman]

Gone 5.5m

ITK?

 

[ComedyClub]

 

[Younger Dryas Blade]

Gone 5.5m

Russell 'bland and boring' Martin shakes his head in disbelief at our board.
This can't be true anyway, we won't accept a penny more than £3m, it's the Blades way.

 

[loyal to the royal]

Replacement could be a loan winger from prem who like tractors

 

[maxstertheblade]

Replacement could be a loan winger from prem who like tractors

Jack Clarkewhat’s happening with Souttar Loyal?

 

[loyal to the royal]

Jack Clarkewhat’s happening with Souttar Loyal?

Outs before ins so now let’s see how quick we move

 

[Weasel]

Tbh, im not too fussed if Hamer has gone. Nice player, gifted, but was also a big part of the shite season last season and didnt pull up any trees. Let us not forget he was part of the shit show and was also going tbrough the motions last season. Callum O'Hare was a far better player for us. Also if he goes for £5.5m then at least we havent lost him for nothing and we have saved probably about £30 per week in wages. A young quick winger please as his replacement and most will soon be moving on from our frend Gus.

 

[HeySethUTB]

It’s all about the number of chevrons on that training kit, although it seems inevitable that he goes.

 

[SUFC Guy]

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That's an old photo with Coventry in their old training kit.

 

[HeySethUTB]

People really have stoked up this deal which will all be sentimental, littered with limited appearances and championship football this time next year. At least he makes some money doing it though, can’t fault him.

 

[ComedyClub]

That's an old photo with Coventry in their old training kit.

Thought as much.

 

[71Blade]

If he goes I hope we sign Cleary from barnsley. 7 goals and 13 assists for them last season. We can't just sign loan players each season.

Oh yes we can.... you know thats all we going to get... shit show

 

[71Blade]

Watching the presser with Chris and coming on here has put me on a reyt downer. We've still got a good team to go but morale seems absolutely dog shit.

We dont have a good team we finished 13th last season with this lot plus others. We are bang average. Look at other chsmpionship sides boro wolves southampton burnley streets ahead of us we are weaker than last season .. rinse and repeat.

 

[calcalcal]

Just a reminder Steve coopers forest went up with half a squad of loan players. Bring in 4 quality loans from prem and you never know it might give us the financial boost needed to properly build the squad.
I mean we wont get 4 loans but I tried...

 

[Fernandopartridge]

Let him go, I don't want anyone who doesn't really want to be here. And to Coventry, yes Coventry, the city that is full of grey and a football team that apart from a cup win in 87 has never done anything, never brought through any quality players, I think the most famous is ogrizivic and Gary mcsheffrey and that's it. Nothing club but enjoying a moment in the sun. Let's hope they have got more kebab shops for billy bunter, fuck him.....UTB

Callum Wilson, James Madison. I'm in my 40s and yet despite spending the last 25 years outside of the top flight, we've still spent more time in there than you over that period. It's 100 years since you won anything

 

[Kenilworth]

In a nutshell, I think the manager picks the team and does the interviews basically. The DOF does everything else regarding the operations of running the club, dealing with contracts etc etc.

I may be wrong, but that's my understanding.

DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF

The panacea that cures all ills.

 

[Kenilworth]

A DoF doesn't need to have played the game if he has a team around him that's competent and can be trusted.

One of the main benefits of the DoF structure is to take emotion out of the decision making process and focus on what's good for the club in the long run, rather than signing a player cause you owe the agent a favour or you think a player is a good lad.

• Player analytics highlight where the team performs well and where the team has gaps.
• Recruitment / Scouting look for players with the required characteristics that fill that gap.
• The long list is shared with the first team coaching staff and manager and a short list drawn up from the favourites.
• Short list is presented to the DoF to negotiate the purchases.

Player contracts/options are incredibly complicated, this is why you want a commercial expert rather than a football expert doing it.

DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF

The panacea that cures all ills.

 

[Kenilworth]

I like how he mentioned getting the best out of players like Cooper, Burrows, Seriki, Chong and others whilst seemingly forgetting he’s worked with these players already for the best part of a season now.

It sounds to me like:

A - CW knows he’s got what he’s got to work with and doesn’t know how to do that

B - We’re putting all our eggs into the Souttar basket, the Hamer money will help make that happen, so we can pay probably over the odds and pray he doesn’t get injured again

C - The owners have allocated money elsewhere instead of transfers to ensure the longevity of the club. They’ve probably looked at the money spent last summer (including Wilders signings) and tightened the purse strings.

Fun season incoming.

I think fundamentally our owners aren’t football people, so they rely on other people to advise, eg Bord, Wilder, Bettis, but equally none of those advisors have the required knowledge to grow a football club.

Bord - Clown experimenting with AI
CW - A manager struggling badly to find precious form but backed long term to deliver, hence feeling significant pressure and in a deeper hole than under the Prince it seems.
Bettis - Self admittedly not of a football background.

Erm. It’s plain to understand that he’s stating there is no backing from the board and he has to work with the shite they accumulated last year as well as the players that have suffered setbacks with injuries. It’s not hard to understand.

 

[Kenilworth]

Because, despite all evidence to the opposite, Wilder sees himself as a top tier manager and has become obsessed with big names like Phillips & Souttar. He’d see players like Cleary as beneath him.

He’s stated he wants experience and that the squad last year had very little experience to manage games to a conclusion. It’s not that hard to I understand.

The Wendy were constantly complaining that they played with kids all season when the reality is that our squad was younger on average than theirs.

 

[Kenilworth]

Then we need to know our place in the ladder. Those days are gone for now, we blew it.

Yep but we had a good ride from 2016.
Before that we were utter shite for 6 years but do you know what? Nobody fukcing remembers that!

 

[SUFC Guy]

DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF

The panacea that cures all ills.

You can say that again

 

[Kenilworth]

Sounds good in theory but in practise, will it work at SUFC?

Theory and a super large wedge of Wonga.

We can’t even afford to buy a player, never mind DoF the cap to a whole new infrastructure, yet still the usuals chirp on about dinosaurs and DoFs like they know the path along the yellow brick road and all will be rosy in the world.

They’re sipping the Wendy Deludamol and not realising it. I suspect their Madri has been spiked

 

[Kenilworth]

Strategic Planning and Club Philosophy

Define a long-term football vision for the club.
Establish a unified playing style and philosophy from the academy to the first team.
Ensure continuity when first-team managers or head coaches change

Transfers and Recruitment

Lead player scouting, data analysis, and talent identification networks.
Negotiate player contracts, transfers, and renewals alongside financial departments.
Balance squad needs with budget limitations and financial regulations.

Department Management and Coordination

Supervise sports science, medical, and physiotherapy operations.
Oversee youth academy development and pathways to the senior squad.
Support and evaluate the first-team coaching staff.

DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF
DoF DoF DoF DoF

The panacea that cures all ills.

How much will that cost. The owners can even plan a club buffet, never mind get their head around all that lot. They won’t even find the academy until they get the Premier League coin. What makes you think they are prepare to invest in such a wild and fancy exercise like that ?

Even if they were to try a DoF, evidence suggests it would be a faux version - just like Bord was a faux version of Brentford’s model. Cheap and nasty is the owners choice. Fly by night and hope for the best.
All fluff and no substance.

 

[Kenilworth]

Which key players have recently extended their contracts?

In the last few years which ones have gone our way other than when players were breaking into the first team?

Peck

 

[Kenilworth]

I can’t tell you something that hasn’t happened.

I can tell you who has left with one year or less left on their deal, for a far lower price. None of which we ever really replaced.

Ndiaye
Berge
Anel
Bogle
And now, Hamer.

We also let one of our most expensive signings ever, Oli McBurnie, walk away for zero.

And is that the manager or the investment the owners have to offer?

I’ll give you a clue. It’s the latter

 

[Kenilworth]

We probably need to be stricter in how we operate contracts. For example sign a player on a 4 year deal. If they don't want to renew after 2 seasons then look to move them on, no fucking about waiting til the final year.

Maybe with Gus we hoped Leeds were going to give us what we wanted price wise last summer and it didn't happen.

We got McGuinness on a 5 year deal.
See, it works!

 

[Kenilworth]

So Carl Scheiber then!

That’s basically what he does, what you outlined there.

If we call him that will everyone stop suggesting this is some sort of silver bullet?

Remember that terrible season Spurs has last year -> DoF.

It’s about getting quality decision makers into the club and outing those that aren’t. Call them what you want.

I’m surprised Hoyland and Allen are both unscathed after last season’s mess.

Leicester have / had a DoF

Works like magic.

 

[jono_t2000]

Paid £15m for him, everyone expecting us to get £10m. He's at least halved in value, £5m at best

There were a few of us who were saying we should have sold him last summer when his valuation was considerably higher. You could see this exact situation coming a mile away.

 

[Kenilworth]

Callum Wilson, James Madison. I'm in my 40s and yet despite spending the last 25 years outside of the top flight, we've still spent more time in there than you over that period. It's 100 years since you won anything

Bollocks
We’ve won the fourth and the third division titles since then.

 

[Kenilworth]

I understand all that. However, how can you physically make someone sign a contract they don't want to? You seem to be implying United are so badly run that they don't even try. I would find that to be highly unlikely and almost laughable.

Exactly.
Players move for more money, a longer contract or the chance to play in a higher league.
If you’re a club that has just got promoted you have a better chance of negotiating a new deal with a player. If you’ve been relegated and spent two years not getting back, it’s that much harder.
How is it that people don’t grasp that?