Houston we have a problem..........money.

[Mickey Jupp]

Money committed to wages is not investment. After all the players might leave during the contract. The millions invested would have been to reduce debts. Some obviously has gone on players fees but that would not amount to "millions".

 

[Bladesman]

Money committed to wages is not investment. After all the players might leave during the contract. The millions invested would have been to reduce debts. Some obviously has gone on players fees but that would not amount to "millions".

I think it probably does amount to a few million.

I also think the plan is not to piss too much money away in this league which might be why we got better players in on loan last year. We can fund the wage but not the transfer fee plus we would be over paying to lure some players to play in this league.

 

[blader]

We dont need to overspend, although spending anything would be a start. However, look at some of the frees brought in to league 1: Jobi Mcanuff, Simeon Jackson, Darius Henderson, Aaron wilbraham, Luke ayling, mark little, alan Sheehan, Keith Treacy and many more.

So the question is, either we can't match the wages of the other teams in league 1, or our management are looking at the wrong players. I can only assume it is the former, as I have plenty of respect for Clough's knowledge of the game and ability to spot a good player. As the phrase goes, we need to 'speculate to accumulate' in football and we need to pay a bit more, even just in wages, if we want to succeed.

 

[Bladesman]

We dont need to overspend, although spending anything would be a start. However, look at some of the frees brought in to league 1: Jobi Mcanuff, Simeon Jackson, Darius Henderson, Aaron wilbraham, Luke ayling, mark little, alan Sheehan, Keith Treacy and many more.

So the question is, either we can't match the wages of the other teams in league 1, or our management are looking at the wrong players. I can only assume it is the former, as I have plenty of respect for Clough's knowledge of the game and ability to spot a good player. As the phrase goes, we need to 'speculate to accumulate' in football and we need to pay a bit more, even just in wages, if we want to succeed.

I think some of those players would have been worth a shout.

Apart from Treacy and Henderson.

 

[blader]

I think some of those players would have been worth a shout.

Apart from Treacy and Henderson.

I think they would be great additions too to be honest. We easily compare them to our days in the championship, not our current squad, but:

Henderson and Treacy vs Higdon and flynn?

option number 1 for me.

 

[alcoblade]

hasn't half the debt been paid off ? if so that is around £20 mill. I suppose we will find out when the accounts come out

The debt was written off, not paid off.

Given current gates, lack of debt, the fa cup run - I'm amazed that "millions have gone in", because if it's on the signings we've made it's as clear as mud as to why.

It seems to cost too much to run us at a basic level. I question the running costs and worth of the academy for one.

The rhetoric and the reality feel miles apart at present.

UTB

 

[Foxy]

I take it everyone has still forgotten about paying off a management team a matter of months into their contracts?

and that "free" transfers generally cost a decent signing on fee?

and that loans often attract a decent sized fee regardless of percentage of wages paid?

 

[Bladesman]

I think they would be great additions too to be honest. We easily compare them to our days in the championship, not our current squad, but:

Henderson and Treacy vs Higdon and flynn?

option number 1 for me.

Bad times...really bad times if we have to call upon the likes of Hendo and Treacy.

 

[wizadry]

I take it everyone has still forgotten about paying off a management team a matter of months into their contracts?

and that "free" transfers generally cost a decent signing on fee?

and that loans often attract a decent sized fee regardless of percentage of wages paid?

On your first point,was that the fans fault?and why should the fans pay for whats quite clearly not their fault?

On your second and third points,what would you class as a decent signing on fee?

 

[felix]

I can't believe someone is already comparing Higdon unfavourably with Darius Henderson when he has only played two games and a bit. Unless it's Simon Tracey and Mick Henderson we're talking about?

 

[pommpey]

On your first point,was that the fans fault?and why should the fans pay for whats quite clearly not their fault?

On your second and third points,what would you class as a decent signing on fee?

Hush your mouth.

That was the 'game changing investment'. Wasn't it?

*happy days*

pommpey

 

[Maidenhead]

Money committed to wages is not investment. After all the players might leave during the contract. The millions invested would have been to reduce debts. Some obviously has gone on players fees but that would not amount to "millions".

Was that really intended as a serious comment?

I think you would find that no wages would equal no players and as the players are the major working assets of the business it necessarily follows that money committed to wages equals investment.

 

[Rodley]

Would have thought couple of hundred k for a signing on fee.

 

[Foxy]

On your first point,was that the fans fault?and why should the fans pay for whats quite clearly not their fault?

I'm not entirely sure what you are on about? who suggested for one minute it was the fans fault?

Does spend not count towards any perceived figure if it's "not the fans fault" ?

 

[wizadry]

Would have thought couple of hundred k for a signing on fee.

Absolutely no chance,were in league 1.

Free transfers and loans are not that much for league 1 clubs,a premiership player would be lucky to get that had he been a free.

 

[wizadry]

I'm not entirely sure what you are on about? who suggested for one minute it was the fans fault?

Does spend not count towards any perceived figure if it's "not the fans fault" ?

You were saying us fans are forgetting about paying Weir off aren't you?

 

[Foxy]

You were saying us fans are forgetting about paying Weir off aren't you?

Those who are suggesting we've spent no money, clearly are.

 

[wizadry]

Those who are suggesting we've spent no money, clearly are.

Right,get ya.

 

[wizadry]

Those who are suggesting we've spent no money, clearly are.

A lot of fans look at who we sign,how much for,are they any such quality.So can you blame some for been a bit fragile atm?

 

[Foxy]

A lot of fans look at who we sign,how much for,are they any such quality.So can you blame some for been a bit fragile atm?

...and yet most, haven't got even an inkling of how much each player has cost, nor how much we've spent in total during the time we've "spent nowt".

That's my point.

If fragile is writing off our signings as shite 2 league games in, then I can suggest they are being a little hasty with their judgements, as much as we've struggled.

 

[wizadry]

...and yet most, haven't got even an inkling of how much each player has cost, nor how much we've spent in total during the time we've "spent nowt".

That's my point.

If fragile is writing off our signings as shite 2 league games in, then I can suggest they are being a little hasty with their judgements, as much as we've struggled.

You're right on both accounts there foxy,i can't argue there pal

 

[Bladesman]

On your first point,was that the fans fault?and why should the fans pay for whats quite clearly not their fault?

On your second and third points,what would you class as a decent signing on fee?

A bag of pork scratchings and a copy of Razzle?

 

[S5Blade]

A bag of pork scratchings and a copy of Razzle?

show me the money!!!!!

 

[Revolution]

I take it everyone has still forgotten about paying off a management team a matter of months into their contracts?

and that "free" transfers generally cost a decent signing on fee?

and that loans often attract a decent sized fee regardless of percentage of wages paid?

These things have been paid for, but none of them are "game changing investment " and you know it.

 

[Foxy]

These things have been paid for, but none of them are "game changing investment " and you know it.

I don't recall saying they were?

Suddenly, the "nowt" becomes millions when you take all the costs into consideration though.

Then again, mention "only a quid" enough and it makes it true, apparently.

 

[Caveblade]

As usual it is Hey Kevin's spin that is causing the storm here. Using the expression "game changing" and referring to Liverpool has raised the expectation level massively. Quite naturally fans expect us to operate differently after that statement. For example to be able to tempt our stars to stay and be part of our future or to pay reasonable transfer fees for players.

Any one with half a brain can see that money is being spent, but you know what? Hey, it is not game changing.

Get behind Nigel who is a genuine bloke, but don't expect miracle from an SUFC board, go and read Matthew Bells book and get ready for a lifetime of disappointment, but we will have fun along the way!!!!

 

[Revolution]

I don't recall saying they were?

Suddenly, the "nowt" becomes millions when you take all the costs into consideration though.

Then again, mention "only a quid" enough and it makes it true, apparently.

No, you didn't say that. The board did.

You're saying we've spent a lot of money. So we have. But much of that money comes from gate receipts, TV money, cup money and transfer fees.

I simply do not see the type of investment, on top of this money, that was promised.

But of course, this is not surprising.

 

[bartman]

The debt was written off, not paid off.

Given current gates, lack of debt, the fa cup run - I'm amazed that "millions have gone in", because if it's on the signings we've made it's as clear as mud as to why.

It seems to cost too much to run us at a basic level. I question the running costs and worth of the academy for one.

The rhetoric and the reality feel miles apart at present.

UTB

I thought it was McCabe who wrote off half the debt with HRH and his team paying him the other half ?

As for the academy,from a purely business perspective,it makes a profit

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Our income must be by far the highest in the division - and 3 or 4 times more than some teams. Much of our modest spending will be from that income. Yes, the debts have been written off but there has been little by way of actual investment. It certainly hasn't been game changing.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]