Questions for Wilder

[blade too long]

Deludomol!

wilder full seasons in the championship with his choices are 2 promotions 2 play offs and 1 10th place 1st season

8 clubs a third of the division can get a top 8 place ,we will have enough to do that if the injuries dont cripple us

 

[Danetheblade]

wilder full seasons in the championship with his choices are 2 promotions 2 play offs and 1 10th place 1st season

8 clubs a third of the division can get a top 8 place ,we will have enough to do that if the injuries dont cripple us

So you’re not including the Middlesborough result. Or Watford, but Watford are a basket case.

 

[FriethBlade]

That's what Leicester fans said last season and they won three of their first five games.

They also had the 'benefit' of a DOF who had overseen them winning the PL title.

Oh dear mate, please dont ever compare us with Leicester ffs. Did they have the 'benefit' of a DOF when they won the Premier League and then the FA Cup.

If we had won the PL and FA Cup I wouldn't have cared if someone took us to the Northern Premier as Id die happy in the knowledge wed been there, done it and I'd seen it.

 

[KMC-1889]

Least we've got till first international break to get new signings upto speed

We were told explicitly last season that players can only be made fit during a short window in July. After that you have to shrug your shoulders.

 

[KMC-1889]

wilder full seasons in the championship with his choices are 2 promotions 2 play offs and 1 10th place 1st season

8 clubs a third of the division can get a top 8 place ,we will have enough to do that if the injuries dont cripple us

Two promotions from the championship?

 

[Roygbiv]

wilder full seasons in the championship with his choices are 2 promotions 2 play offs and 1 10th place 1st season

8 clubs a third of the division can get a top 8 place ,we will have enough to do that if the injuries dont cripple us

It's 1 promotion, 1 play off, 1 mid table finish and 1 where he was sacked for being in the bottom 3. It suggests anything could happen next season

 

[KMC-1889]

It's 1 promotion, 1 play off, 1 mid table finish and 1 where he was sacked for being in the bottom 3. It suggests anything could happen next season

1 promotion was nearly 10 years ago and the playoff was from 1st in the league with 6 games to go (and third biggest budget in the league).

It suggests anything could happen, but it makes it more likely we’ll be bottom half that anywhere near expanded play off places.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

1 promotion was nearly 10 years ago and the playoff was from 1st in the league with 6 games to go (and third biggest budget in the league).

It suggests anything could happen, but it makes it more likely we’ll be bottom half that anywhere near expanded play off places.

Just so we're all clear what would be acceptable for you next season? I know you changed your stance last season after Wilder exceeded your expectations, but this year what would make you say he'd done a decent job? I mean obviously nothing would ever make you say that but for arguments sake where do we need to finish for you to shut up about Wilder for a bit?

 

[metalblade]

Looks like this summer is turning out like the last one hints of players coming in yet all that has happened is we sell one of our best young players who is replaced by a loan. New signings don't materialise, targets move elsewhere, while we look at 37 yr old crocks whose game time in the last year can be counted on your fingers. No doubt we will pay over the odds for some old journey men looking for a retirement fund on the last day of the window, lumbered with more crap on 4 year contracts we know how it goes by now.

 

[mattbianco1]

The answer to them all is 'over, round or through'

 

[ATL Recs]

He's had 1 pre-season with us since then and we finished with our record points total for this level. As usual, nice theory but in reality it's nonsense.

Also the third highest budget allowing us to have a strong bench
But not clouding over the fact that many starters were blowing out of their Arsenal after 60 minutes

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Also the third highest budget allowing us to have a strong bench
But not clouding over the fact that many starters were blowing out of their Arsenal after 60 minutes

Ye and we finished 3rd miles above fourth. Not many predicted that. Seems like he did a decent job seen as we were a complete shambles heading into the summer.

 

[ATL Recs]

Ye and we finished 3rd miles above fourth. Not many predicted that. Seems like he did a decent job seen as we were a complete shambles heading into the summer.

Yep just throwing promotion away with questionable recruitment in January wasting a few million and bizarre team selections and tactics finishing third and losing 2 out of three games against the team finishing 4th, the team we finished miles in front of.
Almost a complete shambles

 

[Kona]

I know this thread is about questions for Wilder, but is the issue really about Wilder or should it be about the direction of the club?

I think if we just focus on Wilder, it doesn’t really address the issue. Whether or not he’s the right man to lead us forward is clearly subjective, and I have my own views on that.

In the current set up it’s mainly all on him, his finger prints and influence are expected/needed to be across the whole operation (team management, players, liaising with the board, recruitment, etc), which in today’s game seems too much and outdated.

He may prefer to have overall control but this is a risk and something the owners need to step up and take hold of - bringing in relevant (and competent) support. Someone who can take some pressure off and advise him. Also, give us some continuity if we do change manager, rather than a big bang effect of change.

In my opinion, the discussion for and against a DOF is difficult one to compare to other clubs because we’re not all set up the same.

I think it would be quite an ask for someone to come in and replace him in a like for like set up and be successful. For me, the bigger issue is the direction and structure of the club, and whilst Wilder is a factor, it’s much broader than just him.

Just blaming him and looking at his failings doesn’t show the whole picture. I also think it’s become decisive and binary point.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Yep just throwing promotion away with questionable recruitment in January wasting a few million and bizarre team selections and tactics finishing third and losing 2 out of three games against the team finishing 4th, the team we finished miles in front of.
Almost a complete shambles

Throwing it away by not getting 103 points

 

[ATL Recs]

Throwing it away by not getting 103 points

Yep we threw it away by bad decisions from the football club and the coaching/management team. What did 90 points ( suck deductions) get us other than embarrassing failure. In reflection we were not as good as the other teams in the top 4. Just one win and 5 losses. With the budget and the squad we had Wilder achieved nothing except abject failure and acting like a yob and harming the clubs profile.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Yep we threw it away by bad decisions from the football club and the coaching/management team. What did 90 points ( suck deductions) get us other than embarrassing failure. In reflection we were not as good as the other teams in the top 4. Just one win and 5 losses. With the budget and the squad we had Wilder achieved nothing except abject failure and acting like a yob and harming the clubs profile.

Abject failure haha

 

[Carlton Blade]

Throwing it away by not getting 103 points

Which was only the required total because United took 0/12 v the top 2.

Post Boxing Day, Unitedwere one of the better teams, but crumbled when the pressure was highest. The £ spent meant it was a pass/fail season.

Wasn't terrible managerial job and he's not a terrible manager. But the 18/19 players were far ahead maturity wise, so the team performed better in a much more testing league. The players from 24/25 were nowhere near as strong in that way and needed much, much more guidance.

Players >>> managers when it comes to it. Managers can buy you that extra couple of % when they are at their best and I don't think that's Wilder now.

 

[Tom Bott]

Wilder achieved nothing except abject failure and acting like a yob and harming the clubs profile.

What adjectives did you use for Selles?

 

[KMC-1889]

Just so we're all clear what would be acceptable for you next season? I know you changed your stance last season after Wilder exceeded your expectations, but this year what would make you say he'd done a decent job? I mean obviously nothing would ever make you say that but for arguments sake where do we need to finish for you to shut up about Wilder for a bit?

I’d like to see him finish the season in the job centre with Hoyland, Allen and the rest of his cronies.

If we’re going to be shit anyway I’d rather do it not topping his bank account

I know this thread is about questions for Wilder, but is the issue really about Wilder or should it be about the direction of the club?

I think if we just focus on Wilder, it doesn’t really address the issue. Whether or not he’s the right man to lead us forward is clearly subjective, and I have my own views on that.

In the current set up it’s mainly all on him, his finger prints and influence are expected/needed to be across the whole operation (team management, players, liaising with the board, recruitment, etc), which in today’s game seems too much and outdated.

He may prefer to have overall control but this is a risk and something the owners need to step up and take hold of - bringing in relevant (and competent) support. Someone who can take some pressure off and advise him. Also, give us some continuity if we do change manager, rather than a big bang effect of change.

In my opinion, the discussion for and against a DOF is difficult one to compare to other clubs because we’re not all set up the same.

I think it would be quite an ask for someone to come in and replace him in a like for like set up and be successful. For me, the bigger issue is the direction and structure of the club, and whilst Wilder is a factor, it’s much broader than just him.

Just blaming him and looking at his failings doesn’t show the whole picture. I also think it’s become decisive and binary point.

your not wrong, but the club can’t move on until wilder and his team have been cut out of the club. He’s got his allies in every department.

We saw how quickly they turned on Selles, egged on by Wilder and his mates.

 

[luffenhamblade]

I’d like to see him finish the season in the job centre with Hoyland, Allen and the rest of his cronies.

If we’re going to be shit anyway I’d rather do it not topping his bank account

your not wrong, but the club can’t move on until wilder and his team have been cut out of the club. He’s got his allies in every department.

We saw how quickly they turned on Selles, egged on by Wilder and his mates.

Wow, that’s rewriting the history of an incapable manager appointed by a rookie board - blame Wilder, how very Trumpian!

 

[KMC-1889]

Throwing it away by not getting 103 points

He was 2 points clear, all he had to do was match Burnley or Leeds PPG for the last six games.

Instead, he made some weird comments in interviews, some odd lineups, etc… and lost 3 games, two were teams fighting relegation. He then bottled the playoff through poor team selection and even poorer game management to a team that finished nearly 20 points adrift.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

I’d like to see him finish the season in the job centre with Hoyland, Allen and the rest of his cronies.

I asked where would be acceptable to finish. You can't answer in case he does better than that. And there is no answer, you're so hysterical over Wilder you want him sacked no matter how we do. You'd rather us lose if Wilder is manager.

 

[KMC-1889]

Wow, that’s rewriting the history of an incapable manager appointed by a rookie board - blame Wilder, how very Trumpian!

So his mates weren’t in the away ends starting the chants for wilder? Or were they saying boo-urns?

If Selles needed to go, it didn’t have to ham chops coming back. There’s dozens of other managers that could have come.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

So his mates weren’t in the away ends starting the chants for wilder? Or were they saying boo-urns?

If Selles needed to go, it didn’t have to ham chops coming back. There’s dozens of other managers that could have come.

God you're boring. Boring and hysterical

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

He was 2 points clear, all he had to do was match Burnley or Leeds PPG for the last six games.

Instead, he made some weird comments in interviews, some odd lineups, etc… and lost 3 games, two were teams fighting relegation. He then bottled the playoff through poor team selection and even poorer game management to a team that finished nearly 20 points adrift.

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[luffenhamblade]

So his mates weren’t in the away ends starting the chants for wilder? Or were they saying boo-urns?

If Selles needed to go, it didn’t have to ham chops coming back. There’s dozens of other managers that could have come.

I was commenting on you suggesting Wilder was in some way responsible for an incompetent manager being sacked, that’s all. Just sounds like you want to rewrite history. Not saying Wilder should have come back though we were in a really really bad position and not sure how we would have managed to search for, find and appoint anyone much better than Wilder at that point. Just feels like you have way too much hate going on.

 

[KMC-1889]

I asked where would be acceptable to finish. You can't answer in case he does better than that. And there is no answer, you're so hysterical over Wilder you want him sacked no matter how we do. You'd rather us lose if Wilder is manager.

Because, even if we finish first and go up automatically, what’s the point? He’ll piss more money up the wall on shit players and we’ll be back here in two years.

As Jamie Carragher once said, sometimes you need to leave the game before the game leaves you.

 

[KMC-1889]

God you're boring. Boring and hysterical

Says the silly twat that gets his knickers in a twist every time someone points out your messiah is a fraud.

Try taking his cock out of your mouth for a bit

 

[KMC-1889]

I was commenting on you suggesting Wilder was in some way responsible for an incompetent manager being sacked, that’s all. Just sounds like you want to rewrite history. Not saying Wilder should have come back though we were in a really really bad position and not sure how we would have managed to search for, find and appoint anyone much better than Wilder at that point. Just feels like you have way too much hate going on.

absolute bollocks. How many clubs recruited a Manager mid-season season and turn their seasons around?

Absolutely laughable that we can ‘only have wilder’. Proper tin pot pub team nonsense. He’s not even that good of a manager.