The World Cup

[Keen Blade]

Berg wont live against England's midfield hes lethargic and passive

Let's see on Saturday

 

[Revolution]

That maybe the case but the key was that they beat everyone that got put in front of them before England rocked up.

They played well and dominated to see games out.

England struggled with Ghana, Panama and Congo.

When you look around the teams remaining in the tournament and the way that Mexico played last night, I don’t think Mexico would’ve lost to many sides. England were extremely impressive and that performance was a huge effort. Thankfully we’re back down to low altitude today and can have a good recovery as they’ll be some really tired bodies today.

Huge bonus that we didn’t go to extra time either and we have the same amount of recovery time as Norway.

And again a host nation is eliminated by the first decent side they played.

I don’t agree on Mexico. They haven’t reached the quarter final since 1986, when they had a really soft draw. They always get eliminated in the last 16. That’s their level.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Good to see justice done last night - unless Trump manages to get the result overturned as well.

Just need Infantile to get his too now. Hopefully someone will get a whiff of a backhander and he'll end up polishing boots for his local Sunday league team.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Really glad to see both the US and the washed up egomaniac that could rival trump also go out with a whimper

 

[LBA_Blade]

A little derogatory to say that Jimenez is just a.l championship CF. Hes a very good and experienced player and i think the fact that he only scored from a slightly soft pen highlights how well the defence played.

Haaland is world class though and will need to be handled differently.

I’d suggest the game plan will revolve around stopping the supply to Haaland and not leaving him isolated with one defender.

Yeah 100% he is so good at getting the jump on players from running in behind/players backing off. But that being said can’t harm sticking him in Dan Burn’s pocket

 

[SwissBlade]

Brilliant to see Ronaldo getting dumped out by Spain, although Spain yet again failed to dazzle and their play resembled England with the pass pass pass from left to right for much of the game. Portugal made it hard work for them but showed very little beyond parking the bus.

But it turned into a cracking night with the USA finally get some karma on the pitch after the corrupt red card issues.

Argentina v Egypt tonight will hopefully be a good game, given that Cape Verde ran Argentina so close, it should give Egypt some hope.

I actually want Argentina to go through as I’ve been watching some of the games with some Argentinians friends

Only found out last night from a fanatical Argentinian fan that they have a song. It’s basically the pigs bouncing song with the lyrics “if you don’t jump, if you don’t jump then you’re English”. Of course I had to explain what happens when singing this song against the rivals… I sent her the bounce killer videos

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Brilliant to see Ronaldo getting dumped out by Spain, although Spain yet again failed to dazzle and their play resembled England with the pass pass pass from left to right for much of the game. Portugal made it hard work for them but showed very little beyond parking the bus.

But it turned into a cracking night with the USA finally get some karma on the pitch after the corrupt red card issues.

Argentina v Egypt tonight will hopefully be a good game, given that Cape Verde ran Argentina so close, it should give Egypt some hope.

I actually want Argentina to go through as I’ve been watching some of the games with some Argentinians friends

Only found out last night from a fanatical Argentinian fan that they have a song. It’s basically the pigs bouncing song with the lyrics “if you don’t jump, if you don’t jump then you’re English”. Of course I had to explain what happens when singing this song against the rivals… I sent her the bounce killer videos

I find it reassuringly warming that not only do the Argies hate us as much as the Pigs hate us, but they also have the exact same song!! Warms the cockles of my heart!!

 

[Selly]

I find it reassuringly warming that not only do the Argies hate us as much as the Pigs hate us, but they also have the exact same song!! Warms the cockles of my heart!!

Hang on. So the Argies hate us, largely, I assume, down to having their arses handed to them on a plate in 1982? A conflict they initiated.

They are the Coventry of international football - go around causing nonsense and hating on clubs because they had the temerity to not stand for their shit.

 

[BazWainwright]

I find it reassuringly warming that not only do the Argies hate us as much as the Pigs hate us, but they also have the exact same song!! Warms the cockles of my heart!!

The Argentines don't hate us.

I have been to Argentina and yes, they are fiercely nationalistic and yes, they do tend to believe the 'Malvinas son Argentino' (until they get cornered on history) and yes, they saw the 1986 win in the Azteca and Maradona's goals as justice but on the whole there's not as much loathing for us than say, the Jocks irrationally infect their veins with.

 

[Grey Blade]

Hang on. So the Argies hate us, largely, I assume, down to having their arses handed to them on a plate in 1982? A conflict they initiated.

They are the Coventry of international football - go around causing nonsense and hating on clubs because they had the temerity to not stand for their shit.

I always thought it started in 1966 when England beat Argentina 1-0 at Wembley in the World Cup Quarter final. There was a lot of 'argy-bargy' after the Argentina Captain was sent off for a 2nd bookable offence:

1966 World Cup​

In spite of all of this history, it was not until the 1966 FIFA World Cup, held in and eventually won by England, that the rivalry picked up the sometimes bitter and fierce edge that it retains. The two teams met in the quarter-finals of the tournament, a game referred to in Argentina as el robo del siglo ("the theft of the century")<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-14"><span><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></span></a> that England won 1–0 thanks to a goal from striker Geoff Hurst, disputed by the Argentines due to a claimed offside.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-15"><span><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></span></a>

Rattín is sent off in the historic Argentina vs England match in the 1966 FIFA World Cup
The game, however, was particularly noted for the sending off of Argentina captain Antonio Rattín after receiving his second caution of the game. The Argentines considered the second caution to be unfair, including Rattín himself, who had to be escorted from the pitch by police as he refused to leave the pitch. Rattín was cautioned at the start of the match for a lunge on Bobby Charlton. Rattín then fouled Geoff Hurst and received another caution (the use of yellow/red cards would not be adopted until the next World Cup in Mexico) for arguing with the referee for a teammate's foul.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-16"><span><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></span></a>

It was reported in Argentina that the German referee, Rudolf Kreitlein, said that he had sent off Rattín because he did not like how he had looked at him,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-17"><span><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></span></a> while British newspapers cited the official as having given the reason as "violence of the tongue", despite the referee speaking no Spanish.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheObserver051002-18"><span><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></span></a> Rattín's intention appeared to have been to speak with the German referee, as according to the Argentines, he was ruling in favour of the English team. Rattín made a visible signal showing his captain's armband and intention to call a translator.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-19"><span><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></span></a>

Ken Aston, the English supervisor of referees, entered the field to try to persuade Rattín to leave, but he only exacerbated the situation since the Latin American teams had already suspected that the English and Germans were collaborating to eliminate them from the competition.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheGuardian020225-13"><span><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></span></a> After his dismissal, Rattín scrunched the corner flag (featuring the Union Jack) with his hand before finally sitting down on the ground. After the match, England manager Alf Ramsey refused to allow his players to swap shirts with the Argentines (as is traditional after the conclusion of a major football match) and later described the South Americans as "animals" in the press. The Argentine press and public were outraged, and one Argentine newspaper published a picture of the official World Cup mascot, World Cup Willie, dressed in pirate regalia to demonstrate their opinion of the England team.

 

[SwissBlade]

I find it reassuringly warming that not only do the Argies hate us as much as the Pigs hate us, but they also have the exact same song!! Warms the cockles of my heart!!

But they hate Mexico more than England as she was showing me argie memes about how much they must really hate Mexico if they’re supporting England v Mexico

Got onto the subject of the Falklands the other day and she had a tattoo of the outline map of Argentina and the Falkland Islands on her leg. I just happened to mention that she can get that part removed by laser. She was not amused

 

[Wapping Blade]

But they hate Mexico more than England as she was showing me argie memes about how much they must really hate Mexico if they’re supporting England v Mexico

Got onto the subject of the Falklands the other day and she had a tattoo of the outline map of Argentina and the Falkland Islands on her leg. I just happened to mention that she can get that part removed by laser. She was not amused

Always a charmer eh Swizzler?

 

[Ron_Justice]

Glorious.

 

[Gimli]

Brilliant.

However slightly risky as if anyone would actually try to overturn a result it would be the US and their lapdog Infantino!

 

[SwissBlade]

Always a charmer eh Swizzler?

They can’t resist it, pal

I chucked in a few Maradona, Sabella and Blades facts as well

 

[raul]

Hang on. So the Argies hate us, largely, I assume, down to having their arses handed to them on a plate in 1982? A conflict they initiated.

They are the Coventry of international football - go around causing nonsense and hating on clubs because they had the temerity to not stand for their shit.

Show me Coventry's three Champions League wins.

 

[Camden Blade]

Gifting this

Jude Bellingham’s monstrous magnificence the finest performance in a generation

Insuperable midfielder is owed a profound debt of gratitude after producing one of the greatest displays by an England player

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Camden Blade]

And this. Somewhat more controversial.

Trump and Infantino have poisoned a wonderful World Cup

Fifa’s reputation is so rancid that its shamelessness no longer surprises – but this sordid red card episode is more damaging for the US

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Silent Blade]

I always thought it started in 1966 when England beat Argentina 1-0 at Wembley in the World Cup Quarter final. There was a lot of 'argy-bargy' after the Argentina Captain was sent off for a 2nd bookable offence:

1966 World Cup​

In spite of all of this history, it was not until the 1966 FIFA World Cup, held in and eventually won by England, that the rivalry picked up the sometimes bitter and fierce edge that it retains. The two teams met in the quarter-finals of the tournament, a game referred to in Argentina as el robo del siglo ("the theft of the century")<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-14"><span><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></span></a> that England won 1–0 thanks to a goal from striker Geoff Hurst, disputed by the Argentines due to a claimed offside.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-15"><span><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></span></a>

Rattín is sent off in the historic Argentina vs England match in the 1966 FIFA World Cup
The game, however, was particularly noted for the sending off of Argentina captain Antonio Rattín after receiving his second caution of the game. The Argentines considered the second caution to be unfair, including Rattín himself, who had to be escorted from the pitch by police as he refused to leave the pitch. Rattín was cautioned at the start of the match for a lunge on Bobby Charlton. Rattín then fouled Geoff Hurst and received another caution (the use of yellow/red cards would not be adopted until the next World Cup in Mexico) for arguing with the referee for a teammate's foul.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-16"><span><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></span></a>

It was reported in Argentina that the German referee, Rudolf Kreitlein, said that he had sent off Rattín because he did not like how he had looked at him,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-17"><span><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></span></a> while British newspapers cited the official as having given the reason as "violence of the tongue", despite the referee speaking no Spanish.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheObserver051002-18"><span><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></span></a> Rattín's intention appeared to have been to speak with the German referee, as according to the Argentines, he was ruling in favour of the English team. Rattín made a visible signal showing his captain's armband and intention to call a translator.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-19"><span><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></span></a>

Ken Aston, the English supervisor of referees, entered the field to try to persuade Rattín to leave, but he only exacerbated the situation since the Latin American teams had already suspected that the English and Germans were collaborating to eliminate them from the competition.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheGuardian020225-13"><span><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></span></a> After his dismissal, Rattín scrunched the corner flag (featuring the Union Jack) with his hand before finally sitting down on the ground. After the match, England manager Alf Ramsey refused to allow his players to swap shirts with the Argentines (as is traditional after the conclusion of a major football match) and later described the South Americans as "animals" in the press. The Argentine press and public were outraged, and one Argentine newspaper published a picture of the official World Cup mascot, World Cup Willie, dressed in pirate regalia to demonstrate their opinion of the England team.

Second booking offence? I thought the German ref had got fed up of Rattin's constant moaning and decided to send him off?

 

[Grey Blade]

Second booking offence? I thought the German ref had got fed up of Rattin's constant moaning and decided to send him off?

Although I watched the game as a 12 year old, I can't remember the details. I'm going off the Wiki explanation. Because there were no yellow cards in those days it was not always obvious what was happening re cautions. It took ages for Rattin to leave the pitch
I see the whole match is on video so I'll maybe watch it in the next day or two. The odd clips I've seen show everything to be very slow - a lot slower than I remember!

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

The Argentines don't hate us.

I have been to Argentina and yes, they are fiercely nationalistic and yes, they do tend to believe the 'Malvinas son Argentino' (until they get cornered on history) and yes, they saw the 1986 win in the Azteca and Maradona's goals as justice but on the whole there's not as much loathing for us than say, the Jocks irrationally infect their veins with.

I went twice, in 2009 and 2011. It’s an awesome, beautiful and vibrant country and I love it. They've been screwed by the Yanks, the international financial community, and many of their own governments, but the people are great, and they don't hate us (or didn't, when I was there!). They do hate Thatcher, and I'm with them on that, but even I admit that defeat in the Malvinas had the positive effect of getting rid of the dictatorship. The current president is an utter twat, but they're not unique in having one of those!!

 

[Revolution]

I went twice, in 2009 and 2011. It’s an awesome, beautiful and vibrant country and I love it. They've been screwed by the Yanks, the international financial community, and many of their own governments, but the people are great, and they don't hate us (or didn't, when I was there!). They do hate Thatcher, and I'm with them on that, but even I admit that defeat in the Malvinas had the positive effect of getting rid of the dictatorship. The current president is an utter twat, but they're not unique in having one of those!!

They have this peculiar talent for electing horrible presidents again and again. A bit like the Italians, from whom many are descended.

 

[SwissBlade]

I went twice, in 2009 and 2011. It’s an awesome, beautiful and vibrant country and I love it. They've been screwed by the Yanks, the international financial community, and many of their own governments, but the people are great, and they don't hate us (or didn't, when I was there!). They do hate Thatcher, and I'm with them on that, but even I admit that defeat in the Malvinas had the positive effect of getting rid of the dictatorship. The current president is an utter twat, but they're not unique in having one of those!!

I’d love to go there and it’s been on my list for years. I think most places around the world people are generally welcoming.

I was a little surprised when she mentioned how anti English they are and it was in a football context, I guess in a similar way to how we sing about the Germans. But it is a good rivalry to have.

Not surprised that they don’t like Thatcher when they underestimated her and she destroyed their dream of trying to capture our islands in the South Atlantic.

 

[The Fox]

I’d love to go there and it’s been on my list for years. I think most places around the world people are generally welcoming.

I was a little surprised when she mentioned how anti English they are and it was in a football context, I guess in a similar way to how we sing about the Germans. But it is a good rivalry to have.

Not surprised that they don’t like Thatcher when they underestimated her and she destroyed their dream of trying to capture our islands in the South Atlantic.

Ive been briefly to Buenos Aries but my daughter spent some time there earlier in the year and proclaimed it her favourite city in the world . No hassle and full of culture

Also went to a Boca match with no problem .
Interestingly the match kicked off at 10pm and the prematch events , bars , matchday parties start at midday .

Its a whole day and nobody moans about sky ko times

 

[BerksBlade]

How have I only just realised that the Norwegian keeper was the Villa keeper involved in our "not-a-goal" in 2020?

 

[Silent Blade]

How have I only just realised that the Norwegian keeper was the Villa keeper involved in our "not-a-goal" in 2020?

He was on loan to Norwich without playing a match for them

 

[Greenwich Blade]

I always thought it started in 1966 when England beat Argentina 1-0 at Wembley in the World Cup Quarter final. There was a lot of 'argy-bargy' after the Argentina Captain was sent off for a 2nd bookable offence:

1966 World Cup​

In spite of all of this history, it was not until the 1966 FIFA World Cup, held in and eventually won by England, that the rivalry picked up the sometimes bitter and fierce edge that it retains. The two teams met in the quarter-finals of the tournament, a game referred to in Argentina as el robo del siglo ("the theft of the century")<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-14"><span><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></span></a> that England won 1–0 thanks to a goal from striker Geoff Hurst, disputed by the Argentines due to a claimed offside.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-15"><span><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></span></a>

Rattín is sent off in the historic Argentina vs England match in the 1966 FIFA World Cup
The game, however, was particularly noted for the sending off of Argentina captain Antonio Rattín after receiving his second caution of the game. The Argentines considered the second caution to be unfair, including Rattín himself, who had to be escorted from the pitch by police as he refused to leave the pitch. Rattín was cautioned at the start of the match for a lunge on Bobby Charlton. Rattín then fouled Geoff Hurst and received another caution (the use of yellow/red cards would not be adopted until the next World Cup in Mexico) for arguing with the referee for a teammate's foul.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-16"><span><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></span></a>

It was reported in Argentina that the German referee, Rudolf Kreitlein, said that he had sent off Rattín because he did not like how he had looked at him,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-17"><span><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></span></a> while British newspapers cited the official as having given the reason as "violence of the tongue", despite the referee speaking no Spanish.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheObserver051002-18"><span><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></span></a> Rattín's intention appeared to have been to speak with the German referee, as according to the Argentines, he was ruling in favour of the English team. Rattín made a visible signal showing his captain's armband and intention to call a translator.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-19"><span><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></span></a>

Ken Aston, the English supervisor of referees, entered the field to try to persuade Rattín to leave, but he only exacerbated the situation since the Latin American teams had already suspected that the English and Germans were collaborating to eliminate them from the competition.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheGuardian020225-13"><span><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></span></a> After his dismissal, Rattín scrunched the corner flag (featuring the Union Jack) with his hand before finally sitting down on the ground. After the match, England manager Alf Ramsey refused to allow his players to swap shirts with the Argentines (as is traditional after the conclusion of a major football match) and later described the South Americans as "animals" in the press. The Argentine press and public were outraged, and one Argentine newspaper published a picture of the official World Cup mascot, World Cup Willie, dressed in pirate regalia to demonstrate their opinion of the England team.

The Truth!

 

[radio]

I am looking forward to Friday nights Quarter-Final between Spain and whoever FIFA decide won the game in the USA 1 Belgium 4 match

 

[SwissBlade]

Argentinians discussing who they want to lose…

 

[Davalon]

I always thought it started in 1966 when England beat Argentina 1-0 at Wembley in the World Cup Quarter final. There was a lot of 'argy-bargy' after the Argentina Captain was sent off for a 2nd bookable offence:

1966 World Cup​

In spite of all of this history, it was not until the 1966 FIFA World Cup, held in and eventually won by England, that the rivalry picked up the sometimes bitter and fierce edge that it retains. The two teams met in the quarter-finals of the tournament, a game referred to in Argentina as el robo del siglo ("the theft of the century")<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-14"><span><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></span></a> that England won 1–0 thanks to a goal from striker Geoff Hurst, disputed by the Argentines due to a claimed offside.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-15"><span><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></span></a>

Rattín is sent off in the historic Argentina vs England match in the 1966 FIFA World Cup
The game, however, was particularly noted for the sending off of Argentina captain Antonio Rattín after receiving his second caution of the game. The Argentines considered the second caution to be unfair, including Rattín himself, who had to be escorted from the pitch by police as he refused to leave the pitch. Rattín was cautioned at the start of the match for a lunge on Bobby Charlton. Rattín then fouled Geoff Hurst and received another caution (the use of yellow/red cards would not be adopted until the next World Cup in Mexico) for arguing with the referee for a teammate's foul.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-16"><span><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></span></a>

It was reported in Argentina that the German referee, Rudolf Kreitlein, said that he had sent off Rattín because he did not like how he had looked at him,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-17"><span><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></span></a> while British newspapers cited the official as having given the reason as "violence of the tongue", despite the referee speaking no Spanish.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheObserver051002-18"><span><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></span></a> Rattín's intention appeared to have been to speak with the German referee, as according to the Argentines, he was ruling in favour of the English team. Rattín made a visible signal showing his captain's armband and intention to call a translator.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-19"><span><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></span></a>

Ken Aston, the English supervisor of referees, entered the field to try to persuade Rattín to leave, but he only exacerbated the situation since the Latin American teams had already suspected that the English and Germans were collaborating to eliminate them from the competition.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina–England_football_rivalry#cite_note-TheGuardian020225-13"><span><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></span></a> After his dismissal, Rattín scrunched the corner flag (featuring the Union Jack) with his hand before finally sitting down on the ground. After the match, England manager Alf Ramsey refused to allow his players to swap shirts with the Argentines (as is traditional after the conclusion of a major football match) and later described the South Americans as "animals" in the press. The Argentine press and public were outraged, and one Argentine newspaper published a picture of the official World Cup mascot, World Cup Willie, dressed in pirate regalia to demonstrate their opinion of the England team.

Been to a few after dinner speaking events over the years with now departed England WC winners.

Most have told the story about the Argentina players wanting to get into the England dressing room after the game. Seemingly only Jack Charlton was keen for them to be let in.