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TarquinDelouche said:
I can tell you now, it won't be. Knowing that we didn't really earn it, knowing we've become a laughing stock... I certainly wouldn't be proud of the club for risking it's very existence for that.
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Didn't really earn it...what a laugh.
 



The new board have been saying they are not going to spend gratuitously for months. So has Clough. Where have you been mate?

Did you go into hiding as soon as you heard McCabe mention "game changing investment" (Phipps must rue the day that was mentioned)?
 
TarquinDelouche said:
I don't think anybody is arguing that we should spend no money, but that spending wisely is the way to go. Do you think Portsmouth fans are happy that they pissed all that money away?
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Pompey didn't piss money away. Redknapp wanted quality players and the board and chairman backed him and bought them. Unfortunately their ground only holds 20k and despite it being rammed every home game, the input revenue didn't match the expenditure, simply because Pompey Council don't like the idea of the football club moving to an out of town site and building a 35-40k stadium and sports facility, and rivalling Scumpton for the title of biggest team on the south coast. Brighton ... and Scumpton ... managed to build bigger stadia elsewhere. Pompey were buttfucked by their council. The Blades have a 32k stadium and a bigger fanbase. Once the Pompey board realised that they had been done, they all started to pull out and players ended up not being paid, so moved on (still owed money as well). Then the cascade started. It was a desperate collapse (didn't stop them making us look like chimps on the way down, though)

They certainly didn't have some Saudi come in promising an 'game changing investment' (which to me means five or six PL or high CL standard players including a 15-20 goal per season (English Leagues) striker and a solid core on which to build the team.

pommpey
 
Revolution said:
There have, but the teams who spend the most tend to do the best, and the fact that some have failed is not a reason not to do it.

Fwiw, I have no problem with what we have or haven't spent this window. I would be happy if we'd kept Maguire and recruited a little better. The argument that it is pointless spending now is, however, pathetic.
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But Maguire make it clear he wouldn't stay. We also got a bloody good offer, which I was told this week by someone who works very closely with Hull and Steve Bruce.
The overall deal is higher than what has been reported the £2.5M is the guaranteed. Quite a bit on the back end based if Hull stay in the league, rest on club and individual performance over the length of the contract.
 
Revolution said:
The only difference between Pompey and the rest of the PL is their owners ran out of money.
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Don't see how that adds up at all.
Pompey had the 5th highest wage bill when they won the cup while only getting 19k through the gates each week.
There are plenty of sides not subsidised by their owners in the PL.
 
metalblade said:
Yep Mandaric sold out to some right knobheads, lets hope history has repeated itself
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He sold it to Sacha Gaydamak, who, massively pissed off by Pompey Council's ability to prevent them doing something positive and radical with their small, in-town venue, came up with this:

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Which is the equivalent of resiting Bramall Lane In the Peace Gardens or by the side of Lady's Bridge. Aside from the abominable 'bedpan' design, it would have been a hazard to shipping, shrouded HMS Warrior from the skyline and shut lower Portsea down every other Saturday with the island gridlocked before and after kickoff. He did this because it was one of the options open to him and Pompey Council would have a bigger job stopping him constructing this.

They stopped him building what would have been an absolutely superb stadium out on Farlington Marshes right beside the M27 and rail links because of Canada Geese migrating.

Brighton's Amex Stadium is situated away from the town and is out on the A27, which is so easy to get to on a matchday. And it looks excellent.

Cunts. Pompey Council, not Canada Geese.

pompey
 
pommpey said:
Pompey didn't piss money away. Redknapp wanted quality players and the board and chairman backed him and bought them. Unfortunately their ground only holds 20k and despite it being rammed every home game, the input revenue didn't match the expenditure, simply because Pompey Council don't like the idea of the football club moving to an out of town site and building a 35-40k stadium and sports facility, and rivalling Scumpton for the title of biggest team on the south coast. Brighton ... and Scumpton ... managed to build bigger stadia elsewhere. Pompey were buttfucked by their council. The Blades have a 32k stadium and a bigger fanbase. Once the Pompey board realised that they had been done, they all started to pull out and players ended up not being paid, so moved on (still owed money as well). Then the cascade started. It was a desperate collapse (didn't stop them making us look like chimps on the way down, though)

They certainly didn't have some Saudi come in promising an 'game changing investment' (which to me means five or six PL or high CL standard players including a 15-20 goal per season (English Leagues) striker and a solid core on which to build the team.

pommpey
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So what you mean is they were spending beyond their means? Spending without the possibility of recouping it? That sounds to me like pissing money away.
 
pommpey said:
He sold it to Sacha Gaydamak, who, massively pissed off by Pompey Council's ability to prevent them doing something positive and radical with their small, in-town venue, came up with this:

PompyStadium2_468x318.jpg


Which is the equivalent of resiting Bramall Lane In the Peace Gardens or by the side of Lady's Bridge. Aside from the abominable 'bedpan' design, it would have been a hazard to shipping, shrouded HMS Warrior from the skyline and shut lower Portsea down every other Saturday with the island gridlocked before and after kickoff. He did this because it was one of the options open to him and Pompey Council would have a bigger job stopping him constructing this.

They stopped him building what would have been an absolutely superb stadium out on Farlington Marshes right beside the M27 and rail links because of Canada Geese migrating.

Brighton's Amex Stadium is situated away from the town and is out on the A27, which is so easy to get to on a matchday. And it looks excellent.

Cunts. Pompey Council, not Canada Geese.

pompey
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However, spending shit loads of cash now because you hope the council will allow you to build a stadium in future that might generate enough revenue to pay off the loans of today is a stupider plan than most would dream up. That part wasn't the councils fault.

UTB
 
Deano said:
well that yes
and the ST sales
and money from our crowds that dwarf most in L1.
and the money from last season's cup run
oh - and the "game-changing" investment of course

NC said he wanted Coady ......but we couldn't even stretch to the £400k needed. Instead we bring in a load of free transfers.

It's so much better than the pre-Prince days isn't it?
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Deano, are you insinuating that our fans contribute financially in some way ??????
 
Why do so many of our fans believe that buying good players is a bad move financially. Talk about Wendys being brainwashed.
If you sign good players and do it consistently you will have reasonable success. This is how other mid sized clubs have always managed to stay above us for 99% of their existence over the last 60 or 70 years.
We don't need Ronaldo and Messi we just need good League 1 players, good League 1 players are cheap enough for us to buy, good League 1 players would love to play here and good League 1 players are quite likely to be able to make the step up in the Championship.

Financial disaster comes as a result of massive overspending.......nobody is asking for that.
Financial disaster also comes as a result of signing shyte that nobody is interested in watching or buying from us, we get stuck with so much shyte that nobody else wants. The boardroom run this club like a factory foreman runs his shift.......They can drag someone in off the street because he can sweep up, one sweeper upper is as good as another sweeper upper.

As long as they've got bodies in it'll be ok.
 



TarquinDelouche said:
So what you mean is they were spending beyond their means? Spending without the possibility of recouping it? That sounds to me like pissing money away.
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And alco:

No. Prior to Milandric and Gaydemak, there were several plans in motion to relocate Pompey, all of which were quite feasible and in that measure, attracted the investment from these wealthy backers. Obviously the plan was to exploit Portsmouth's very partisan supporters, with the possibility of PL status and 35-40k for home games entirely possible. They got Redknapp back, won a trophy within two years and were in the final again and Europe. All they needed for the return on this was a full 35-40k stadium, from a supporter footprint that extends out to the southern districts of Southampton, across Hampshire to Winchester, across to Petersfield and eastwards to Chichester, and south to the Isle of Wight as well. That is a bigger area than the greater district of Sheffield, with one PL team (as was then) playing in it. There was some sense in this investment and some motion in building the new Fratton Park, ideally out on the major east/west/north motorway intersection, which has excellent nearby rail links as well both from Pompey and inwards from London and the West.

But Canada Geese, the environmental lobby and eventually the council had other ideas ...

pommpey
 
The Greater district of Sheffield is much bigger than that area, if you include Worksop, Chesterfield, Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster. If you want to include all the towns in the Portsmouth area you'd have to include the towns and Cities in the Sheffield area and United have a very healthy following in all of them
I'd guess there are more Chelsea fans in those areas when you get 10 miles outside of Portsmouth.
 
JJBlade said:
The Greater district of Sheffield is much bigger than that area, if you include Worksop, Chesterfield, Barnsley, Rotherham, Doncaster. If you want to include all the towns in the Portsmouth area you'd have to include the towns and Cities in the Sheffield area and United have a very healthy following in all of them
I'd guess there are more Chelsea fans in those areas when you get 10 miles outside of Portsmouth.
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South East Hampshire = 196 sq miles
Winchester = 255 sq miles
Fareham = 27 sq miles
Gosport = 10 sq miles
Pompey = 8 sq miles

Total = 496 sq miles

The area you are describing covers the metropolitan county of South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire. Sheffield itself has an total area of 196 sq miles. Barnsley, Chesterfield, Rotherham, Doncaster all have their own football teams. Those districts mentioned above do not have Football League teams, only semi-pro teams.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
And alco:

No. Prior to Milandric and Gaydemak, there were several plans in motion to relocate Pompey, all of which were quite feasible and in that measure, attracted the investment from these wealthy backers. Obviously the plan was to exploit Portsmouth's very partisan supporters, with the possibility of PL status and 35-40k for home games entirely possible. They got Redknapp back, won a trophy within two years and were in the final again and Europe. All they needed for the return on this was a full 35-40k stadium, from a supporter footprint that extends out to the southern districts of Southampton, across Hampshire to Winchester, across to Petersfield and eastwards to Chichester, and south to the Isle of Wight as well. That is a bigger area than the greater district of Sheffield, with one PL team (as was then) playing in it. There was some sense in this investment and some motion in building the new Fratton Park, ideally out on the major east/west/north motorway intersection, which has excellent nearby rail links as well both from Pompey and inwards from London and the West.

But Canada Geese, the environmental lobby and eventually the council had other ideas ...

pommpey
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The logic to try to plan build a large stadium, based on what you say, is sound. The logic to spend in the way they did, without planning permission for a stadium that would be years away, strikes me as insane. Blaming the council is way too convenient, and similar to the mindset that runs throughout football (everyone elses fault / responsibility ), leading to countless financial disasters.

It's not just those that run the game, it's the fans too. Many demanding huge financial outlay form others, whilst putting two tenths of bugger all into the clubs themselves.

UTB
 
pommpey said:
South East Hampshire = 196 sq miles
Winchester = 255 sq miles
Fareham = 27 sq miles
Gosport = 10 sq miles
Pompey = 8 sq miles

Total = 496 sq miles

The area you are describing covers the metropolitan county of South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire. Sheffield itself has an total area of 196 sq miles. Barnsley, Chesterfield, Rotherham, Doncaster all have their own football teams. Those districts mentioned above do not have Football League teams, only semi-pro teams.

pommpey
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That makes our support for a league one side all the more impressive.We will soon be massive:cool:
 
pommpey said:
South East Hampshire = 196 sq miles
Winchester = 255 sq miles
Fareham = 27 sq miles
Gosport = 10 sq miles
Pompey = 8 sq miles

Total = 496 sq miles

The area you are describing covers the metropolitan county of South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire. Sheffield itself has an total area of 196 sq miles. Barnsley, Chesterfield, Rotherham, Doncaster all have their own football teams. Those districts mentioned above do not have Football League teams, only semi-pro teams.

pommpey
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They do, it's called Chelsea. Hee hee

Nice research, but 255 square miles for Winchester..........WINCHESTER!!! That just sounds unbelievable, that's more square miles than Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield, Birmingham or Liverpool.

It might be 255 square miles because there's nothing else near it, but a couple of barns and a tin shytehouse once you get 500 yards outside the City Centre aint going to produce many fans for anybody.

What I'm trying to say really is that I think the Portsmouth board at the time massively overestimated the support it could generate. The area might be a large area with few professional clubs but it has been massively infiltrated by London exiles and I reckon just as many Chelsea and Arsenal fans exist down there as Portsmouth and Saints fans.
 
JJBlade said:
What I'm trying to say really is that I think the Portsmouth board at the time massively overestimated the support it could generate. The area might be a large area with few professional clubs but it has been massively infiltrated by London exiles and I reckon just as many Chelsea and Arsenal fans exist down there as Portsmouth and Saints fans.
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All very true. And I'm fairly sure they didn't fill the home sections of the 20,000 ground for every premiership match. They've certainly fallen well short for long periods outside this.

UTB
 
Pompey were regularly over 18000 for many of their home games during their PL years. If you have been there (and the last time I was there was two seasons ago during our humiliating 0-3 defeat) you'll know that their away end - the Milton End - is massively undersubscribed in seating, and I know the local support and their numbers. I have lived down here 35 years.

As said before, Pompey had options - Hilsea, Defence Diving School Foreshore, The Bedpan, Drayton, Farlington Marshes, each of these at one time was a runner and PCC basically blackballed the fucking lot, even turning their current ground round 90 degrees to get a better stadium and car park.

pommpey
 
TarquinDelouche said:
What? Do you think Portsmouth deserved the success that other people's money brought them?
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Older Pompey supporters remember them being top dogs. A couple of. First. Division titles and loads of publicity. Add to that, the successes outlined in this thread, they have done better than most teams over the years.
 
JJBlade said:
Why do so many of our fans believe that buying good players is a bad move financially. Talk about Wendys being brainwashed.
If you sign good players and do it consistently you will have reasonable success. This is how other mid sized clubs have always managed to stay above us for 99% of their existence over the last 60 or 70 years.
We don't need Ronaldo and Messi we just need good League 1 players, good League 1 players are cheap enough for us to buy, good League 1 players would love to play here and good League 1 players are quite likely to be able to make the step up in the Championship.

Financial disaster comes as a result of massive overspending.......nobody is asking for that.
Financial disaster also comes as a result of signing shyte that nobody is interested in watching or buying from us, we get stuck with so much shyte that nobody else wants. The boardroom run this club like a factory foreman runs his shift.......They can drag someone in off the street because he can sweep up, one sweeper upper is as good as another sweeper upper.

As long as they've got bodies in it'll be ok.[/QUOTE,

Firstly we buy in players who for whatever reason are not good enough to play for us.then it takes for ever to rid ourselves of the dead wood, then we buy players who are not good enough to play for us......... Repeat ....... If this is the way to get promoted i'll eat my hat with an overgenerous helping of. Hendos. Sirius
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alcoblade said:
The logic to try to plan build a large stadium, based on what you say, is sound. The logic to spend in the way they did, without planning permission for a stadium that would be years away, strikes me as insane. Blaming the council is way too convenient, and similar to the mindset that runs throughout football (everyone elses fault / responsibility ), leading to countless financial disasters.

It's not just those that run the game, it's the fans too. Many demanding huge financial outlay form others, whilst putting two tenths of bugger all into the clubs themselves.

UTB
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I think its worth noting too that a certain Mr Reg Brealey had this "amazing" vision for Bramall Lane ( i think he wanted us to move ground as well) in the 80's/ 90's - when the lane was a lot shitter than it is now! He put together plans of a great stadium, put them to the council and they knocked them back.

I think one of the easiests things for a new owner to do is to come in and promise these fantastic crowd pleasers like presenting a flashy new Stadium. Whereas in reality its probably just an architects dream rather than a viable option.

Investing wisely and sustainably in the whole club over the long term is much tougher.
 
SwissBlade said:
I think its worth noting too that a certain Mr Reg Brealey had this "amazing" vision for Bramall Lane ( i think he wanted us to move ground as well) in the 80's/ 90's - when the lane was a lot shitter than it is now! He put together plans of a great stadium, put them to the council and they knocked them back.

I think one of the easiests things for a new owner to do is to come in and promise these fantastic crowd pleasers like presenting a flashy new Stadium. Whereas in reality its probably just an architects dream rather than a viable option.

Investing wisely and sustainably in the whole club over the long term is much tougher.
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My mind has fogged up over this Swiss. Did Sir Reginald Jute, suggest that the Don Valley Stadium was viable?
We have had so many Chair persons [see what I did there?} Including Middlesex and the unsure et al?
 
Sirius said:
My mind has fogged up over this Swiss. Did Sir Reginald Jute, suggest that the Don Valley Stadium was viable?
We have had so many Chair persons [see what I did there?} Including Middlesex and the unsure et al?
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I think it was Don Valley yes, but could be wrong
 



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