Knill gone?

[Dkc]

the footballs shite to watch.

As opposed to the flowing, attacking football played under Warnock. Blackwell's masterclasses against top opposition. Clough's top tactics and devastating counter attacks. The Barcaesque moves favoured by Adkins. Etc etc.

Football at the Lane has always been a bit shit with the occasional inspirational move. Same at most clubs. The problem is that people get bored easier today, and demand not only that their team win - they want to be 'entertained' for 90 mins too.

 

[Rudders]

Ah, right. It wasn't meant to be arsey. It was a genuine query about Blessin's record, and why you called it "horrendous". Presumably the low win ratio?

Its on another thread and can’t be bothered to go and find it - but generally as evidenced by almost all successful appointments you try and get a manager on an ‘upswing’ ie when they are on the up, rather than on the way down. Presume Blessin may be in the latter trajectory now. And for those who suggest we ‘lack ambition’ by looking at managers in the lower leagues in the UK or abroad - it’s probably the smart thing to do

 

[Danetheblade]

As opposed to the flowing, attacking football played under Warnock. Blackwell's masterclasses against top opposition. Clough's top tactics and devastating counter attacks. The Barcaesque moves favoured by Adkins. Etc etc.

Football at the Lane has always been a bit shit with the occasional inspirational move. Same at most clubs. The problem is that people get bored easier today, and demand not only that their team win - they want to be 'entertained' for 90 mins too.

All fair points. Agree folk want to be entertained, why shouldn’t they have such a basic request? They pay their money so ultimately what they want is theirs to choose.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

It's all getting a bit silly now isn't it...

As opposed to the flowing, attacking football played under Warnock. Blackwell's masterclasses against top opposition. Clough's top tactics and devastating counter attacks. The Barcaesque moves favoured by Adkins. Etc etc.

Football at the Lane has always been a bit shit with the occasional inspirational move. Same at most clubs. The problem is that people get bored easier today, and demand not only that their team win - they want to be 'entertained' for 90 mins too.

He's stopped going because of Wilder

A guy who in 50 years the vast majority will think of as one of our greatest ever managers, who's team played the best football we've ever played and he's stopped going because of him. They're just ridiculous

 

[Danetheblade]

He's stopped going because of Wilder

A guy who in 50 years the vast majority will think of as one of our greatest ever managers, who's team played the best football we've ever played and he's stopped going because of him. They're just ridiculous

Not strictly true George, but you use it to bang your weird fetish for Wilder.

I don’t go, because I don’t enjoy what I watch, why would I pay money to go to watch something I don’t like? It’s like me going to the cinema to watch the devil wears prada.

I know it’s a proper weird concept for you to grasp.

 

[Dkc]

He's stopped going because of Wilder

A guy who in 50 years the vast majority will think of as one of our greatest ever managers, who's team played the best football we've ever played and he's stopped going because of him. They're just ridiculous

All fair points. Agree folk want to be entertained, why shouldn’t they have such a basic request? They pay their money so ultimately what they want is theirs to choose.

I don't think football has ever been particularly entertaining to watch. There has always been a lot of frustration. The vast majority of attacking moves break down and don't end in a goal. Players making good runs are ignored. Passes are misplaced. Shots are tame. I've been watching football a long time, and I don't think it's got any worse under Wilder.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

I don’t go, because I don’t enjoy what I watch, why would I pay money to go to watch something I don’t like? It’s like me going to the cinema to watch the devil wears prada.

I know it’s a proper weird concept for you to grasp

You wouldn't understand.

 

[JD88]

These things take time! Getting it right is more important than rushing it.A knee jerk reaction is the last thing we want ! It should be all about planning after last seasons shannanigans !

Agree but the season was basically done in Feburary and they knew it. The planning should have started then. Get on the front foot with it as much as possible

 

[UTB Blade]

He's not Wilder

It's Wilder. They hate Wilder more than they care about United

I genuinely don't understand why they hate him. I just don't get it. Did they prefer being stuck in League One for what seemed like an eternity, getting our arses handed to us by Crawley, and getting knocked out of the play offs by Yeovil?

Wilder comes in, gets us out of League One at long last. Even gets us into the PL - in the top half of the PL, at one point, no less. And yet they hate him. I've never known a fanbase like it.

I go on the Sunderland and Middlesbrough forums, and the posters on both forums do the normal football fan thing of appreciating managers who've done well for them, and disliking managers who've done nothing for them.

And then I come back on here and it's backwards - one of our most successful managers ever is hated by a section of our own fanbase. It's weird. And what's even weirder is, they don't even recognise how weird it is. I can't get my head around it.

 

[bertieblade]

I do not like the way we play under Wilder as he is too regimented in his approach to his tactics, rarely going on the front foot, rarely getting beyond people , rarely changing things to effect control of the game and then sitting in to protect a lead as opposed to going for the second or third to kill it off. When he was proactive, we were a better team to watch but he has lost his mojo. His really big failing though is to never accept responsibility and has subsequently lost or losing respect of his fan base

 

[ATL Recs]

What is it about the relegated, sacked, Alexander Blessin, that makes you want him?

Could say that about Wildef after his Boro sacking

 

[bertieblade]

I genuinely don't understand why they hate him. I just don't get it. Did they prefer being stuck in League One for what seemed like an eternity, getting our arses handed to us by Crawley, and getting knocked out of the play offs by Yeovil?

Wilder comes in, gets us out of League One at long last. Even gets us into the PL - in the top half of the PL, at one point, no less. And yet they hate him. I've never known a fanbase like it.

I go on the Sunderland and Middlesbrough forums, and the posters on both forums do the normal football fan thing of appreciating managers who've done well for them, and disliking managers who've done nothing for them.

And then I come back on here and it's backwards - one of our most successful managers ever is hated by a section of our own fanbase. It's weird. And what's even weirder is, they don't even recognise how weird it is. I can't get my head around it.

All past tense, look at his tactics etc. in recent seasons

 

[Cheesebored]

I’m all in for a new manager, take a look at my previous posts.

 

[NordicHarry]

What I want to know is why the star reporter with a head like a bust bag of wotsits has said it was the owners decision?

Is he lacking numbers? More than likely.

Pretty sure I heard he was retiring after they got sacked last time? And with more and more I'm reading it's looking like he's hanging up his badges again?

It annoys the fxk out of me that he reports stuff like this to try and give people he doesn't have any affiliation with a bad name, he did it with the Prince, which gave some of our fans the ammo to not like him. He's doing the same with the Americans.

 

[UTB Blade]

All past tense, look at his tactics etc. in recent seasons

Yes, that's fine. That explains why some want a change of manager. That I understand, even if I don't agree. It's the hatred for him I don't get. There's no need for it. You can feel it's time for a new manager, without actually hating a manager who's achieved such a lot for the club in, as you say, the past.

 

[Tazzy]

I don't think football has ever been particularly entertaining to watch. There has always been a lot of frustration. The vast majority of attacking moves break down and don't end in a goal. Players making good runs are ignored. Passes are misplaced. Shots are tame. I've been watching football a long time, and I don't think it's got any worse under Wilder.

I agree with most of that, But for me it was having a few beers with mates home and away was the high light. the match under certain managers was a after thought . As you spent 60 mins in the bogs pissing. We are like any other run of the mill teams now we may be good on the day or shite. I cant see wilder turning this around he's had his day in my eyes .Unless the new assistant can get a tune out of the players due to fresh new training methods and set plays

 

[Aston max]

Ah, right, my bad - I erroneously thought people wanted a manager who'd been recently relegated and sacked, whereas, in fact, they want a manager who's been recently relegated and sacked AND has a "horrendous record".

Why do some of our supporters hate their own club?

Because we can then sack him and a certain person comes riding back in on his white steed to "RESCUE " the club once again and further his legend with a number of our fans base .

 

[Dkc]

I remember that a vocal minority were anti-Warnock. Some even vowed to stop watching us until he had gone. They said the football was dire, his tactics were baffling and when he made substitutions they came too late. His press conferences were embarrassing. Some even said he was only bringing players on so they could split the appearance money. Now his time at the Lane is looked back on positively by most of us.

Under Warnock we were either fighting for promotion to the PL or battling relegation from it. Same with Wilder. That is about the best anyone can expect from a club our size that has missed the PL gravy train.

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

I genuinely don't understand why they hate him. I just don't get it. Did they prefer being stuck in League One for what seemed like an eternity, getting our arses handed to us by Crawley, and getting knocked out of the play offs by Yeovil?

Wilder comes in, gets us out of League One at long last. Even gets us into the PL - in the top half of the PL, at one point, no less. And yet they hate him. I've never known a fanbase like it.

I go on the Sunderland and Middlesbrough forums, and the posters on both forums do the normal football fan thing of appreciating managers who've done well for them, and disliking managers who've done nothing for them.

And then I come back on here and it's backwards - one of our most successful managers ever is hated by a section of our own fanbase. It's weird. And what's even weirder is, they don't even recognise how weird it is. I can't get my head around it.

I think the big thing for a lot of people was the way he behaved before he left and the manner of his departure, I think it was clearly hypocritical based on previous comments/commitments he had made.

I didn’t want him back for those reasons, but I think it would be crazy to sack him now.

We have no football expertise above him and a barely functioning recruitment team - all with a major rebuild required.
He’s been good when moneys been tighter in the past and will guarantee us Championship football as a minimum at the end of next season.
That might sound like a lack of ambition but we have seen what happens when the owners take control of recruitment, they don’t have a clue and we were nailed on for relegation at one stage last season as a result.
I think we need to lower our expectations a bit due to the sales we will have to make and also be careful what we wish for as I think we are in quite a perilous position if Wilder goes this Summer.

 

[JD88]

When do you think the end of the contract period will be? I think end of June is always a cut off point

Just because announcements are made in June doesn't mean that decisions aren't made and people aren't informed before that.

End of the season retained lists are only released after the play offs aren't they? The players will have known prior. Contracts of players run until end of June i believe, i'd imagine that coaching staff are also the same.

You’re right about retained lists and we knew that players had been told before season end, but Knill wasn’t out of contract was he? (Apologies if I missed that)

If reports are to be believed Knill found out this week so if that decision had been made prior why is he only finding out now? That would tell me the decision has only just been made so opens up loads of questions, for example:

Has changing the coaching staff (knill and Ramos) been in the works a while?
If so why wait until now ?
If it hasn’t , whats prompted a change ?

 

[Tony Currie]

"COH Sports ownership group are understood to have made the call"

So far COH have shown they know nothing about football - why would they do this. Wilder will be fuming.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

What is it about the relegated, sacked, Alexander Blessin, that makes you want him?

Maybe you misunderstood my post, I'd want him in as a straight swap for Knill as #2 to Wilder in the first instance. Brings in new ideas on the coaching front while still having CW around to have final say and to do all the hands-on stuff that a Blades manager is currently lumbered with thanks to our lack of a proper backroom team.

 

[Tony Currie]

"COH Sports ownership group are understood to have made the call"

So far COH have shown they know nothing about football - why would they do this. Wilder will be fuming.

And another thing all this rubbish about planning succession and for the future means nothing look at the big six that have tried it. A good manager can be found anywhere just don't appoint someone with and abysmal record who can talk the talk (Selles)

 

[bertieblade]

"COH Sports ownership group are understood to have made the call"

So far COH have shown they know nothing about football - why would they do this. Wilder will be fuming.

And we have another quote saying that Wilder was in favour, subsequently none of our esteemed journalists know the reason for the change.
Interesting that Wilder paid homage to Knill at a recent awards ceremony and must have known then that he was on his bike .
I think this is yet another example of Danny the Star man scraping the surface to see if he can generate some clicks

 

[finlaytheblade]

I remember that a vocal minority were anti-Warnock. Some even vowed to stop watching us until he had gone. They said the football was dire, his tactics were baffling and when he made substitutions they came too late. His press conferences were embarrassing. Some even said he was only bringing players on so they could split the appearance money. Now his time at the Lane is looked back on positively by most of us.

Under Warnock we were either fighting for promotion to the PL or battling relegation from it. Same with Wilder. That is about the best anyone can expect from a club our size that has missed the PL gravy train.

The gravy train is still there to board staying on it is the problem.
A number of clubs have run away from the rest! Let them go to a European league and press on with the EFL it's more or less a closed shop now with the money European competitions make ( television revenue)Palace & Bournmouth flirting with it now ! they won't last for long.You can name the 6 I'm talking about! Let them come running back when the television bubble bursts .

 

[The Fox]

"COH Sports ownership group are understood to have made the call"

So far COH have shown they know nothing about football - why would they do this. Wilder will be fuming.

With nothing official from the club , if the story is true , I can only imagine this leak is from Wilder .

If its also true its a COH decision, I cant imagine them being too happy about disclosing internal matters to the press ahead of any official statement.

Even if its retirement , health or personal reasons this should be left to the club to announce.

 

[SwissBlade]

You’re right about retained lists and we knew that players had been told before season end, but Knill wasn’t out of contract was he? (Apologies if I missed that)

If reports are to be believed Knill found out this week so if that decision had been made prior why is he only finding out now? That would tell me the decision has only just been made so opens up loads of questions, for example:

Has changing the coaching staff (knill and Ramos) been in the works a while?
If so why wait until now ?
If it hasn’t , whats prompted a change ?

You're speculating entirely.

As I said, contracts in football, certainly in UK and Europe run 1st July to end of June. Financials also run this way, although the financial year ends can vary.

I'd guess that any personnel coming in will start on 1st July. So if we're shaking things up then i'd assume that we're also giving notice to personnel leaving with the view to them ending their contracts end of June.

The personnel leaving may have been informed previously, but the information is only leaking to the media and speculators now.

I've no idea how long this has been planned.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Yes, that's fine. That explains why some want a change of manager. That I understand, even if I don't agree. It's the hatred for him I don't get. There's no need for it. You can feel it's time for a new manager, without actually hating a manager who's achieved such a lot for the club in, as you say, the past.

He walked out on the club through the back door when the going got tough.

The badge slapping when we win but scurries off down the tunnel when we loose.

The kicking the ball in the stand which hit a fan in the face.

The dancing on tables in pubs and singing about opposition managers.

His inability to take any personal blame for any defeats.

All probable reasons why Wilder is not loved has much as you think he should be, and why in my view he ranks at least behind the Great Dave Bassett and Neil Warnock has United's best managers in my time supporting the Blades.

 

[Woodhouseblades]

Might be unpopular but isn’t it a big risk billy coming in as a coach with no experience?

It's okay because he is "gets what it means to be a blade" and likely still lives in a Sheffield postcode! We don't experience or progressive ideas - as long as they "get it"!

 

[Dkc]

With nothing official from the club , if the story is true , I can only imagine this leak is from Wilder .

Why's that? The leak could be from anyone. It could be Matt Duke. Ollie Arblaster. Knill himself. A member of his family. Someone at COH. The tea lady. Who knows?