More pointless attendance stats

[Darren]

Gleaned from the attendance site: the first column is our league position, the second is where we ranked on the attendance table, the third is the difference between the two

This, I think, gives an index of under of over acheivement. The bigger the minus bigger the bigger the underv achievement, the greater the plus figure the greater the over acheivement.

On that basis we achieved most in three seasons - 61-2, 65-6 and 74-5 when there was a 14 places difference. We under acheived most - not surprisingly - in the 4th division seasn when we finished 69 in the league and 22nd in the attendance table.

We have had only had 4 over acheiving seasons in the last 39 :-(

1947 6 17 +11
1948 13 15 +2
1949 22 17 -5
1950 25 21 -4
1951 29 24 -5
1952 33 17 -16
1953 23 17 -6
1954 20 14 -6
1955 13 24 +11
1956 22 25 +3
1957 28 34 +6
1958 29 33 +4
1959 25 33 +8
1960 26 31 +5
1961 24 27 +5
1962 5 19 +14
1963 10 17 +7
1964 12 19 +5
1965 19 17 -2
1966 9 23 +14
1967 10 23 +13
1968 21 21 0
1969 31 32 +1
1970 28 28 0
1971 24 18 -6
1972 10 9 -1
1973 14 19 +5
1974 13 19 +6
1975 6 20 +14
1976 22 16 -6
1977 33 29 -4
1978 34 29 -5
1979 42 28 -14
1980 56 29 -27
1981 65 32 -33
1982 69 22 -47
1983 55 30 -25
1984 47 25 -22
1985 40 25 -15
1986 29 28 -1
1987 31 28 -3
1988 42 26 -16
1989 46 26 -20
1990 22 18 -4
1991 13 13 0
1992 9 11 +2
1993 14 12 -2
1994 20 14 -6
1995 29 27 -2
1996 29 30 +1
1997 25 22 -3
1998 26 25 -1
1999 28 28 0
2000 36 35 -1
2001 30 26 -4
2002 33 28 -5
2003 23 28 +5
2004 28 26 -2
2005 28 30 +2
2006 22 21 -1
2007 18 12 -6
2008 29 16 -13
2009 23 15 -8
2010 28 17 -11
2011 43 27 -16
2012 47 31 -16
2013 49 29 -20
2014 51 29 -22

 

[FTPE]

Gleaned from the attendance site: the first column is our league position, the second is where we ranked on the attendance table, the third is the difference between the two

This, I think, gives an index of under of over acheivement. The bigger the minus bigger the bigger the underv achievement, the greater the plus figure the greater the over acheivement.

On that basis we achieved most in three seasons - 61-2, 65-6 and 74-5 when there was a 14 places difference. We under acheived most - not surprisingly - in the 4th division seasn when we finished 69 in the league and 22nd in the attendance table.

We have had only had 4 over acheiving seasons in the last 39 :-(

1947 6 17 +11
1948 13 15 +2
1949 22 17 -5
1950 25 21 -4
1951 29 24 -5
1952 33 17 -16
1953 23 17 -6
1954 20 14 -6
1955 13 24 +11
1956 22 25 +3
1957 28 34 +6
1958 29 33 +4
1959 25 33 +8
1960 26 31 +5
1961 24 27 +5
1962 5 19 +14
1963 10 17 +7
1964 12 19 +5
1965 19 17 -2
1966 9 23 +14
1967 10 23 +13
1968 21 21 0
1969 31 32 +1
1970 28 28 0
1971 24 18 -6
1972 10 9 -1
1973 14 19 +5
1974 13 19 +6
1975 6 20 +14
1976 22 16 -6
1977 33 29 -4
1978 34 29 -5
1979 42 28 -14
1980 56 29 -27
1981 65 32 -33
1982 69 22 -47
1983 55 30 -25
1984 47 25 -22
1985 40 25 -15
1986 29 28 -1
1987 31 28 -3
1988 42 26 -16
1989 46 26 -20
1990 22 18 -4
1991 13 13 0
1992 9 11 +2
1993 14 12 -2
1994 20 14 -6
1995 29 27 -2
1996 29 30 +1
1997 25 22 -3
1998 26 25 -1
1999 28 28 0
2000 36 35 -1
2001 30 26 -4
2002 33 28 -5
2003 23 28 +5
2004 28 26 -2
2005 28 30 +2
2006 22 21 -1
2007 18 12 -6
2008 29 16 -13
2009 23 15 -8
2010 28 17 -11
2011 43 27 -16
2012 47 31 -16
2013 49 29 -20
2014 51 29 -22

That is so pointless and nerdy!...

I LOVE IT!!

 

[Darren]

Our highest points in the attendance table were 9th in 71-2, 11th in 91-2 and 12th in 92-3 and 06-07 and our lowest 34th in 56-7 and 35th in 1999-2000.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

Average league position 27th (just outside the champ play-offs...)
Average attendance position 23rd

We under-achieve by about 15%

 

[Darren]

Average league position 27th (just outside the champ play-offs...)
Average attendance position 23rd

We under-achieve by about 15%

46-75 Av Lge position 19 Av att position 21 = slight over achievement
75 -14 Av Lge position 34 Av att position 24 = big under achievement

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

46-75 Av Lge position 19 Av att position 21 = slight over achievement
75 -14 Av Lge position 34 Av att position 24 = big under achievement

Just about my memory of it. I was only attending for the latter years of the first era you understand, I aint silverfox!

 

[South London Blade]

Average league position 27th (just outside the champ play-offs...)
Average attendance position 23rd

We under-achieve by about 15%

fucking bean-counter!

 

[ZoneManWilf]

46-75 Av Lge position 19 Av att position 21 = slight over achievement
75 -14 Av Lge position 34 Av att position 24 = big under achievement

Interesting to note that even though we've been shit, we're pretty loyal, only moving down a few places in terms of support whilst the team has generally had a crap 4 decades.

 

[Darren]

Interesting to note that even though we've been shit, we're pretty loyal, only moving down a few places in terms of support whilst the team has generally had a crap 4 decades.

Indeed

By division

1st tier: av att place 17
2nd tier: av att place 21
3rd tie: av att place 29
4th tier: av att place 22

Which, I think shows that our "natural" position is struggling against relegation in the top tier or seeking promotion in the 2nd tier

 

[Blade for Sale]

I bet if you did this based on an entire city (the average position of its clubs vs their total attendances), Sheffield would be just about the most underachieving city on the planet.

 

[blader]

You ever kissed a girl, Darren?

 

[BladeFisher]

46-75 Av Lge position 19 Av att position 21 = slight over achievement
75 -14 Av Lge position 34 Av att position 24 = big under achievement

1946 - 2013 Average win anything of note MEGA underachievement And that's what really counts.

 

[Darren]

You ever kissed a girl, Darren?

I did and I really liked it. I hope my boyfriend doesn't mind it.

 

[SotonBlade]

Here's some pointless graphs from the pointless data...

 

[Silent Blade]

Was 1948-49 season the highest ever average attendance for all matches in the league (not just us)? I believe the highest number of attendances for all FL matches was in December 27th 1948 (I read that some years ago but not sure if I am right with the date?)

 

[Darren]

Was 1948-49 season the highest ever average attendance for all matches in the league (not just us)? I believe the highest number of attendances for all FL matches was in December 27th 1948 (I read that some years ago but not sure if I am right with the date?)

Correct

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

Interestingly, in 115 seasons only 9 teams - Everton, Villa, Newcastle, Chelsea. Man City, Arsenal,Spurs Liverpool and Man Utd - from 5 cities, - London, Birmingham. Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle - have been the best supported team

 

[Mad Mick]

I demand a re-count.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Here's some pointless graphs from the pointless data...

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That's a mightily impressive descent from 1974 to 1981.

 

[Kenilworth]

Here's some pointless graphs from the pointless data...

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Rubbish, Sotts - get em on the same graph and have the lines in different colours so we can see the interaction of the two in the context of time.

I don't know - they have babies and the whole mind just goes to mush - then there's the mums!

 

[Punk Blade]

We under acheived most - not surprisingly - in the 4th division seasn when we finished 69 in the league and 22nd in the attendance table.

I don't really understand how this is under achievement. Aside from winning a cup from the bottom division, winning the Fourth Division title and returning to the Third Division at the first attempt was the maximum possible achievement from the starting position.

Getting relegated the previous season has to be the biggest under achievement.

The better point there is that, in spite of slumping to the bottom division, enough fans remained loyal to produce a score of -47. I commend those who held a season ticket in the Fourth Division - you know who you are.

 

[Darren]

I don't really understand how this is under achievement. Aside from winning a cup from the bottom division, winning the Fourth Division title and returning to the Third Division at the first attempt was the maximum possible achievement from the starting position.

Getting relegated the previous season has to be the biggest under achievement.

The better point there is that, in spite of slumping to the bottom division, enough fans remained loyal to produce a score of -47. I commend those who held a season ticket in the Fourth Division - you know who you are.

Indeed it was. The under acheievement was finding ourselves in that position in the first place.

I went to every home game in D4 apart from the 1-1 draw with Bury (on holiday), as we were unbeaten, it was great fun.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

According to those stats, there are three big slumps in attendance rankings which can’t be explained by a relegation in that or the previous season:-

1955 Dropped 10 places in the attendance table from 14th to 24th despite climbing 7 places in the league and finishing 13th
1966 Dropped 6 places from 17th to 23rd despite climbing 10 places and finishing 9th
1983 Dropped 8 places from 22nd to 30th despite being promoted the season before, climbing 14 places and finishing 30th

I presume the 1983 slump was due to being unable to sustain the enthusiasm of the 4th Division Champions campaign.
What went wrong in the other years? Why did fans stop attending when we were seemingly doing well and improving?

 

[Silent Blade]

The better point there is that, in spite of slumping to the bottom division, enough fans remained loyal to produce a score of -47. I commend those who held a season ticket in the Fourth Division - you know who you are.

I started going to the Lane regularly in January 1970. Went to every home game in 1970 except for against Swindon (holiday), me and my dad became season ticket holders from 1971-72 season I think it was the first time my dad became a season ticket holder although he was a Lane regular since WW2. In 1979 my dad decided against having a season ticket but I bought mine (first time with my own money despite not having left school yet) for the 1979-80 season. During the close season I was enjoying playing football for my club and realised that there was a problem as I had already bought my season ticket so my dad used my season ticket for the matches I missed. In 1980 I stopped re-newing my season ticket until I bought the half season ticket midway in the 1988-89 season. Yes I agree with you that it is commendable that Blades fans bought their season tickets in 1981 knowing that they are in the 4th division but some of them took up Reg Brearley's offer of £1000 for 10 seasons (later changed to 11 seasons after he made an error on the terms of the offer)

 

[Silent Blade]

According to those stats, there are three big slumps in attendance rankings which can’t be explained by a relegation in that or the previous season:-

1955 Dropped 10 places in the attendance table from 14th to 24th despite climbing 7 places in the league and finishing 13th
1966 Dropped 6 places from 17th to 23rd despite climbing 10 places and finishing 9th
1983 Dropped 8 places from 22nd to 30th despite being promoted the season before, climbing 14 places and finishing 30th

I presume the 1983 slump was due to being unable to sustain the enthusiasm of the 4th Division Champions campaign.
What went wrong in the other years? Why did fans stop attending when we were seemingly doing well and improving?

I remember my Wendy supporting Uncle telling me he used to go to all home games of both Sheffield clubs until the mid 1950s because the Blades had put the admission prices up making it more dearer than at Wendy so he only went to Wendy home games so that must explain the reason for the big drop of our attendances in 1955. The reason for the slump of attendances must be the combination of Blades fans being fed up of Harris' youth policy (I read reports of the AGM in the Sheffield archives that Blades shareholders were moaning about us not signing players from other clubs as between 1961 and 1966 we signed only 4 players from other clubs) also that Sheffield football fans were disgusted with the bribery scandal at Wendy (I think their attendances went down too). As for 1983, not sure about that as I wasnt a Lane regular at the time

 

[SotonBlade]

To follow this eve

 

[SotonBlade]

Rubbish, Sotts - get em on the same graph and have the lines in different colours so we can see the interaction of the two in the context of time.

I don't know - they have babies and the whole mind just goes to mush - then there's the mums!

Ask you shall receive!!

 

[Kenilworth]

Ask you shall receive!!

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Never in doubt Sotts, never in doubt