Thank you John Lundstram

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See the hull owner wasn't happy with his insta message

 

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that explains why he gave us the 3pts

 

[KMC-1889]

I don’t understand how this “phoning it in” narrative set hold. I never ever saw it. He rode the crest of a wave with us and was very effective for a short period of time. Then he reverted to the mean - ie. not quite as good. I can only think fans are resentful that a player they didn’t rate overall chose a bigger offer instead of staying with us. How dare he not realise that actually he’s shit etc.

There’s a game against Palace where Eze walks past him with the ball and he leaves him for Norwood to chase. Norwood got so much flak for that season with everyone saying ‘his legs have gone’ when you watch the games he had absolutely no help from Lundstram or Fleck. At least Fleck tried to make something happen at the top of the pitch.

Not being in the grounds really let him and others get away with a massive drop off in form.

 

[BazWainwright]

Couple of things:

When Wilder signed him I watched him closely in the warm up against Stade Reims in the pre season which we lost. He looked absolutely clueless. We were still looking for a Coutts replacement and a refresh having just said goodbye to Duffy too in the CAM spot. I did think we'd signed a dud again. But then again, Basham's first game was Laurel and Hardy and look what a legend he turned out to be.

He developed slowly but in mitigation, did add value after a while. He'd scored at the Lane v Palace, it was his three-foot boot that was 'offside' against Spurs and he banged them two goals in against Burnley at the Lane which was a pretty perfect performance galvanised by everything we saw great about United in the PL - the attacking wingbacks, the overlapping centre backs, the solid, battling midfield that competed and drove forward in possession and some clinical finishing with the front two being a right handful for Burnley's defence.

So he was hitting form and doing well in that flat midfield three which left Norwood as defensive pivot and cover whilst Fleck and he ran on to support the main attacking groups, Baldock/Basham/Lundstram on the right and Stevens/O'Connell/Fleck on the left.

Then Wilder signs Sander Berge. Quite obvious he was a shoe in on the RCM spot and a Norwegian international so Lundstram's position is now well shaky. Berge was never gonna usurp Norwood or Fleck. He wasn't a wingback and didn't readily press forward like Lundstram did. So, really, could anyone hear the 'WTF?' expressions from him when Berge settled into the dressing room and claimed a coat peg? If you are starting to grow and become in a Premier League midfield setup, you'd bagged a few goals also and are part of a pretty solid system, why change it? Why sign direct competition? And an international too? It seemed to me like Wilder suddenly had the chance to make a headline signing for decent cash and went ahead with it not seeing what disruption it would have downstream on what was a settled, progressing and above all else, damned good side, winning games and holding it's own.

You could see also the effect on stability when the team returned from COVID. The Villa game we were definitely not playing the same effective system, Villa had an answer for most of what we had to offer (and they were the division's whipping boys at the time regardless of the Norwood 'goal-that-never-was') and we failed to win away thereafter with the last three games seeing us look pretty disorganised and wretched and us not winning another game until January 2021- albeit now with flappy in goal and no Jack O'Connell and 'the system' now either sussed out or broken and Wilder lacking any real 'Plan B' or method of stopping oppositions slicing us up. By this time Lundstram had his toys out, sat on the bench or filling in for injuries in a system that was a billion miles away from the previous purple patch.

I'm not sticking up for Lundstram - downing your tools is unforgivable in anyone's eyes. But I do feel there is a bit more to it.

Great that his lack of composure on a yellow effectively gave us the points though. Did see someone on twitter describe him as an 'Easter Island Statue Headed knobhead' which made me laugh.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

When Wilder signed him I watched him closely in the warm up against Stade Reims in the pre season which we lost. He looked absolutely clueless. We were still looking for a Coutts replacement and a refresh having just said goodbye to Duffy too in the CAM spot. I did think we'd signed a dud again. But then again, Basham's first game was Laurel and Hardy and look what a legend he turned out to be.

The game against Stade Reims was in August 2019, wasn't it?

We signed Lundstram in July 2017.

 

[Keen Blade]

In our second game of that 2020-1 season we were away at Aston Villa and had a man sent off early on. However we stayed in the game and were awarded a penalty 10 minutes or so before half time. Lundstram took it and failed to score. We went onto lose 1-0.
We will never know, but had that penalty gone in I wouldn't have put it past us to hang on for a 1-0 win. If that had happened the whole season could well have panned out differently.
As I said, we'll never know and it is all supposition, but I felt at the time that, having gone a man down if we had got our noses in front it would have been a real boost. Instead we were somewhat deflated and that seemed to sum up that season. We ended up losing 17 games by a single goal margin, which shows we are talking about very fine margins.

The start of that season was weird - we weren't too bad yet lost some close games.
Lunny was a total Cunt and helped us to fail by his sheer laziness - it was obvious to a blind man that he was sabotaging us.
Previously he'd run through brick walls.
Now , he'd amble about like tomorrow would do.
Utterly disrespectful.
But it was stubborn old Wilder who kept selecting him , to the consternation of almost all fans.
No one could understand why he was getting a game when he was clearly fucking us off deliberately.
In all my decades , I've never been so angry with a player for so long ,
nor so bewildered by a manager.
To this day I believe there was something very bent about that whole scenario between LunnyCunt & Wilder.
It was delicious to see him sent off and lose the game for Hull whilst Egan & McBurnie received due respect.
Even better to see the twat whining online and trying to rewrite history.
I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

 

[ATL Recs]

Couple of things:

When Wilder signed him I watched him closely in the warm up against Stade Reims in the pre season which we lost. He looked absolutely clueless. We were still looking for a Coutts replacement and a refresh having just said goodbye to Duffy too in the CAM spot. I did think we'd signed a dud again. But then again, Basham's first game was Laurel and Hardy and look what a legend he turned out to be.

He developed slowly but in mitigation, did add value after a while. He'd scored at the Lane v Palace, it was his three-foot boot that was 'offside' against Spurs and he banged them two goals in against Burnley at the Lane which was a pretty perfect performance galvanised by everything we saw great about United in the PL - the attacking wingbacks, the overlapping centre backs, the solid, battling midfield that competed and drove forward in possession and some clinical finishing with the front two being a right handful for Burnley's defence.

So he was hitting form and doing well in that flat midfield three which left Norwood as defensive pivot and cover whilst Fleck and he ran on to support the main attacking groups, Baldock/Basham/Lundstram on the right and Stevens/O'Connell/Fleck on the left.

Then Wilder signs Sander Berge. Quite obvious he was a shoe in on the RCM spot and a Norwegian international so Lundstram's position is now well shaky. Berge was never gonna usurp Norwood or Fleck. He wasn't a wingback and didn't readily press forward like Lundstram did. So, really, could anyone hear the 'WTF?' expressions from him when Berge settled into the dressing room and claimed a coat peg? If you are starting to grow and become in a Premier League midfield setup, you'd bagged a few goals also and are part of a pretty solid system, why change it? Why sign direct competition? And an international too? It seemed to me like Wilder suddenly had the chance to make a headline signing for decent cash and went ahead with it not seeing what disruption it would have downstream on what was a settled, progressing and above all else, damned good side, winning games and holding it's own.

You could see also the effect on stability when the team returned from COVID. The Villa game we were definitely not playing the same effective system, Villa had an answer for most of what we had to offer (and they were the division's whipping boys at the time regardless of the Norwood 'goal-that-never-was') and we failed to win away thereafter with the last three games seeing us look pretty disorganised and wretched and us not winning another game until January 2021- albeit now with flappy in goal and no Jack O'Connell and 'the system' now either sussed out or broken and Wilder lacking any real 'Plan B' or method of stopping oppositions slicing us up. By this time Lundstram had his toys out, sat on the bench or filling in for injuries in a system that was a billion miles away from the previous purple patch.

I'm not sticking up for Lundstram - downing your tools is unforgivable in anyone's eyes. But I do feel there is a bit more to it.

Great that his lack of composure on a yellow effectively gave us the points though. Did see someone on twitter describe him as an 'Easter Island Statue Headed knobhead' which made me laugh.

EVANS was the Coutts replacement in January 2018 Debut at Norwich and he had a stormer but a false Dawn Lundstram was a squad player filling the gap after Coutts broke his leg
Norwoods arrival after selling EVANS pushed Lundstram further back
It was the first premiership season when Wilder went with a more compact flat three and the release of Duffy in the summer prior that season that Lundstram had his purple patch then when Berge arrived he got the face on

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

EVANS was the Coutts replacement in January 2018 Debut at Norwich and he had a stormer but a false Dawn Lundstram was a squad player filling the gap after Coutts broke his leg
Norwoods arrival after selling EVANS pushed Lundstram further back
It was the first premiership season when Wilder went with a more compact flat three and the release of Duffy in the summer prior that season that Lundstram had his purple patch then when Berge arrived he got the face on

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[ben1987]

The rumour at the time was he demanded £50k a week. Which was a good wedge more than we’d just signed Berge on, who’d played champions league football.

 

[bruce]

The start of that season was weird - we weren't too bad yet lost some close games.
Lunny was a total Cunt and helped us to fail by his sheer laziness - it was obvious to a blind man that he was sabotaging us.
Previously he'd run through brick walls.
Now , he'd amble about like tomorrow would do.
Utterly disrespectful.
But it was stubborn old Wilder who kept selecting him , to the consternation of almost all fans.
No one could understand why he was getting a game when he was clearly fucking us off deliberately.
In all my decades , I've never been so angry with a player for so long ,
nor so bewildered by a manager.
To this day I believe there was something very bent about that whole scenario between LunnyCunt & Wilder.
It was delicious to see him sent off and lose the game for Hull whilst Egan & McBurnie received due respect.
Even better to see the twat whining online and trying to rewrite history.
I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

It was a strange season altogether, not least because there were no fans at the games!

We lost a lot of games and had that awful winless run, but we were rarely spanked. One of the few times was at Leicester just after Wilder left. And I think that was understandable because everything seemed pretty chaotic around that time. But most of the time we were competitive and only lost by one goal.

I will never prove it, but will always think that had Lundstram scored that penalty the whole season would have been very different.

One thing I can't understand is why was he the penalty taker? My memory isn't faultless, but had he taken any for us before that? To me he didn't seem an obvious choice.

 

[BazWainwright]

The game against Stade Reims was in August 2019, wasn't it?

We signed Lundstram in July 2017.

Yeah - we'd signed him as a Coutts replacement. I was watching him against what would be a higher level opposition and he looked completely out of place. I was worried he would never make the grade. Positionally he was being passed round and through and looked terrible. How he'd cope in the PL in a key position worried me big style

But I was proved wrong

 

[GymClassHero]

Couple of things:

When Wilder signed him I watched him closely in the warm up against Stade Reims in the pre season which we lost. He looked absolutely clueless. We were still looking for a Coutts replacement and a refresh having just said goodbye to Duffy too in the CAM spot. I did think we'd signed a dud again. But then again, Basham's first game was Laurel and Hardy and look what a legend he turned out to be.

He developed slowly but in mitigation, did add value after a while. He'd scored at the Lane v Palace, it was his three-foot boot that was 'offside' against Spurs and he banged them two goals in against Burnley at the Lane which was a pretty perfect performance galvanised by everything we saw great about United in the PL - the attacking wingbacks, the overlapping centre backs, the solid, battling midfield that competed and drove forward in possession and some clinical finishing with the front two being a right handful for Burnley's defence.

So he was hitting form and doing well in that flat midfield three which left Norwood as defensive pivot and cover whilst Fleck and he ran on to support the main attacking groups, Baldock/Basham/Lundstram on the right and Stevens/O'Connell/Fleck on the left.

Then Wilder signs Sander Berge. Quite obvious he was a shoe in on the RCM spot and a Norwegian international so Lundstram's position is now well shaky. Berge was never gonna usurp Norwood or Fleck. He wasn't a wingback and didn't readily press forward like Lundstram did. So, really, could anyone hear the 'WTF?' expressions from him when Berge settled into the dressing room and claimed a coat peg? If you are starting to grow and become in a Premier League midfield setup, you'd bagged a few goals also and are part of a pretty solid system, why change it? Why sign direct competition? And an international too? It seemed to me like Wilder suddenly had the chance to make a headline signing for decent cash and went ahead with it not seeing what disruption it would have downstream on what was a settled, progressing and above all else, damned good side, winning games and holding it's own.

You could see also the effect on stability when the team returned from COVID. The Villa game we were definitely not playing the same effective system, Villa had an answer for most of what we had to offer (and they were the division's whipping boys at the time regardless of the Norwood 'goal-that-never-was') and we failed to win away thereafter with the last three games seeing us look pretty disorganised and wretched and us not winning another game until January 2021- albeit now with flappy in goal and no Jack O'Connell and 'the system' now either sussed out or broken and Wilder lacking any real 'Plan B' or method of stopping oppositions slicing us up. By this time Lundstram had his toys out, sat on the bench or filling in for injuries in a system that was a billion miles away from the previous purple patch.

I'm not sticking up for Lundstram - downing your tools is unforgivable in anyone's eyes. But I do feel there is a bit more to it.

Great that his lack of composure on a yellow effectively gave us the points though. Did see someone on twitter describe him as an 'Easter Island Statue Headed knobhead' which made me laugh.

Tbf I don't think Wilder actually wanted Berge. It was one of those 'too good to turn down' signings. Now he's in a team that suits him, you can see his quality.

Totally the wrong signing at the wrong time.

 

[BazWainwright]

Tbf I don't think Wilder actually wanted Berge. It was one of those 'too good to turn down' signings. Now he's in a team that suits him, you can see his quality.

Totally the wrong signing at the wrong time.

You may be right, but then again, that's Wilder. He is an impulsive buyer. Great at lower levels when he is on a budget but give him £100m and we get Robinson, Brewster, Moussett, L Freeman, Coullibally, Lowe, Morrison, Bryan and loans like Restos and others who add nothing to the squad's capability

 

[bruce]

You may be right, but then again, that's Wilder. He is an impulsive buyer. Great at lower levels when he is on a budget but give him £100m and we get Robinson, Brewster, Moussett, L Freeman, Coullibally, Lowe, Morrison, Bryan and loans like Restos and others who add nothing to the squad's capability

Shades of Bassett. An absolutely superb nose for a low cost gem. But not great with the higher priced buys. Not that we had too many high cost buys in those days.

 

[BazWainwright]

Shades of Bassett. An absolutely superb nose for a low cost gem. But not great with the higher priced buys. Not that we had too many high cost buys in those days.

Phil Starbuck, anyone?

 

[bruce]

Phil Starbuck, anyone?

I'll raise you. Mark Morris.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Yeah - we'd signed him as a Coutts replacement.

Why was Wilder trying to replace a 28/29 year old Paul Coutts in July 2017 when he'd just had the best season of his career?

 

[BazWainwright]

Why was Wilder trying to replace a 28/29 year old Paul Coutts in July 2017 when he'd just had the best season of his career?

Um ...



Marvin Sordell basically halted that career arc, much to our loss

 

[Bell4]

Replying to this as we had the chat last night. My main point (articulating better now it’s not Saturday night) is still that this level of hatred must have at least something to do how he left. Which he was within his rights to do. I accept the examples that people have put in here of things JL did that riled them. Maybe I’ve got less harsh on him over time. Maybe it’s the reception that he got yesterday. But I still think it’s all OTT. He’s an average player who had a purple patch before going back to looking out of his depth in the PL before leaving us for a better offer. He doesn’t deserve the grief he gets. IMO.

He didn’t pick himself did he

 

[Revolution]

Um ...

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Marvin Sordell basically halted that career arc, much to our loss

That happened 4 months after we signed Lundstram.

We had also not just said goodbye to Duffy. he was in the side for the next two seasons after we signed Lundstram.

Did you only start watching us in 2019?

 

[The Fox]

I dont get the hate directed at Lunny .
He was just a player that played for us and moved on .

It was widely reported ( hearsay) at the time that despite being a 1st team pick he was on alot less money than others ,he asked for parity as anyone would, wilder refused and they had a bit of a fall out.

Perhaps I remember it wrong but not so sure he was particularly crap or did much wrong to warrant the villain status he now has.

 

[Bladesman]

I dont get the hate directed at Lunny .
He was just a player that played for us and moved on .

It was widely reported ( hearsay) at the time that despite being a 1st team pick he was on alot less money than others ,he asked for parity as anyone would, wilder refused and they had a bit of a fall out.

Perhaps I remember it wrong but not so sure he was particularly crap or did much wrong to warrant the villain status he now has.

Had a bit of a fall out with Wilder but kept getting played? If Wilder falls out with someone he doesn't extend their deal by a year, he usually bins them off quickly.

 

[CrookesBlade]

I dont get the hate directed at Lunny .
He was just a player that played for us and moved on .

It was widely reported ( hearsay) at the time that despite being a 1st team pick he was on alot less money than others ,he asked for parity as anyone would, wilder refused and they had a bit of a fall out.

Perhaps I remember it wrong but not so sure he was particularly crap or did much wrong to warrant the villain status he now has.

I don’t think anybody was pissed off about him wanting improved terms but it became very clear mid way through the 20/21 season that he’d stopped putting in the required effort and by the end of the season he was just walking round the pitch.

There was a big clamour for Wilder/Hecky to drop him.

 

[Revolution]

I don’t think anybody was pissed off about him wanting improved terms but it became very clear mid way through the 20/21 season that he’d stopped putting in the required effort and by the end of the season he was just walking round the pitch.

There was a big clamour for Wilder/Hecky to drop him.

Exactly. He was mailing it in on the level of Coutts pre Wilder kick up the arse. This was widely discussed at the time.

 

[BazWainwright]

That happened 4 months after we signed Lundstram.

We had also not just said goodbye to Duffy. he was in the side for the next two seasons after we signed Lundstram.

Did you only start watching us in 2019?

Don't cry dude.

I was speaking about the friendly game in the PL season, after we did jettison Duffy and were still trying to settle a midfield lineup after also losing Coutts first to injury (where he didn't come back the same player) and then we let him go, signing also Freeman and Little Ben. We appeared to do so in the first part of the PL season with Fleck - Norwood - Lundstram. Certainly the results showed that where we played possibly some of the best football in the past 20 years.

 

[JohnDenver]

I don’t think anybody was pissed off about him wanting improved terms but it became very clear mid way through the 20/21 season that he’d stopped putting in the required effort and by the end of the season he was just walking round the pitch.

There was a big clamour for Wilder/Hecky to drop him.

Part of the issue was we didn’t buy an another midfield option despite him not signing a new contract. And we were very entrenched in the system we played.

So I think there’d be much less antipathy if we’d felt able to drop him when he absolutely warranted dropping.

It was a weird combination of circumstances in which someone playing so badly was allowed to continue shitting the proverbial bed.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Part of the issue was we didn’t buy an another midfield option despite him not signing a new contract. And we were very entrenched in the system we played.

So I think there’d be much less antipathy if we’d felt able to drop him when he absolutely warranted dropping.

It was a weird combination of circumstances in which someone playing so badly was allowed to continue shitting the proverbial bed.

Agreed. This was a lot to do with the feeling at the time that Sander Berge was a “white elephant”.

We’d signed an an expensive upgrade on Lundstram but he was never available so we were stuck with playing him while he was phoning it in.

 

[Badger Blade]

He was a sulky, lazy twat as soon as things weren't going his way and proved it on Saturday.

It was a shock that he started in the Prem after being little more than a bit part player in the promotion season but to give him credit, he took his chance and did very well up until about Christmas time. Previous to that and after it, he was a passenger and proved that it's all about his attitude rather than his ability as a footballer.

He spat his dummy out when, for once in our lives, we showed some ambition and signed a good player for good money rather than pissing it away on rubbish or searching for bargains in the middle aisle as we usually do.

The proof is in the fact that Sander Berge is a now genuine Premier League footballer who's on his way to the World Cup in the summer, while John Lundstram is a journeyman who Blades, Rangers and now Hull fans have a pretty dim view of. He ambled about, stealing a wage and kept getting picked so as far as Lundstram was concerned, he was doing a decent job. Wilder also needs to take the blame for continuing to pick him.

Saturday couldn't have been scripted any better. It was written in the stars for McBurnie to score but for Lundstram to get sent off and basically cost them a game that they were starting to run out of steam in was very, very satisfying, especially the send off he was given as he stomped off the field.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Um ...

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Marvin Sordell basically halted that career arc, much to our loss

Your timeline is all over the place.

Lundstram was already at the club months before Coutts got injured at Burton and over two years before we played the friendly against Stade Reims.

I think people forget how long Lundstram had been here before the Prem season, he played in the Bouncing Day Massacre in September 2017.

 

[BazWainwright]

Your timeline is all over the place.

Lundstram was already at the club months before Coutts got injured at Burton and over two years before we played the friendly against Stade Reims.

I think people forget how long Lundstram had been here before the Prem season, he played in the Bouncing Day Massacre in September 2017.

He wasn't exactly prolific though, was he?

The only time Lundstram actually picked himself was post Palace game and onward when to his credit, he became a pretty energetic RCM and was - like Fleck - able to knock some goals in on a season where we scored and conceded few goals but still managed to get results.

I was wrong about Lundstram. When he came it was a 'Oh, a Wilder/Oxford old boy and he's not that good.' And he wasn't.

Then when he did start to show some worth in the top flight (where we thoughts he'd suffer) Wilder signs Berge as competition. Wilder made some dead daft decisions in that period. Binning Stears and Cranie was another one