What is Wrong With Wilder?

[Slim Man]

The structure of the club mean we are doomed to fail unfortunately

 

[Inter_blade83]

Now I'm not having that. Some things to note:

• We were not winning the game when Ogbene came on, and were losing when Chong came on
• Davies was playing so deep that we were effectively playing three at the back, hence those two were de facto wing backs, increasing attacking options when (checks notes) we were not winning
• The only options we didn't use were Faxon, Hjelde, McGuinness and Cannon. Only one of those offers any attacking option at all, and he's a pure 9. We had one of those on already, and brought another one on. You can't play three at the same time and taking Bamford off for Cannon would be crazy. Yes you could try Cannon instead of Ings but that's still the same argument really

There's a lot that you can criticise Wilder for, and I'm usually the first to do so, but given the options he had there's really not much else he could have done

All I said was we'd lose when he swapped Davies for Jairo. When we set up he was more advanced, and only dropped back when Ollie came on. To bring on Arblaster for Peck, our midfield was then powderpuff. They were no where near positionally for the winner.

Wilder fucked up there big time.

Bringing on wingers at full back was just the icing on the cake.

Only ones to come out with any credit in the game were Brooks, COH, Jairo, and Hamer to an extent. There was some beautiful interplay at times and we were very wasteful. Bamford should have done better in front of goal, and was a bit bullied by their two CBs.

 

[JT89]

To bring on Arblaster for Peck, our midfield was then powderpuff. They were no where near positionally for the winner.

 

[jt64]

(low res screenshot from youtube)

The point you are trying to make may well be perfectly correct, but you have zero context of game flow from a still image as to why said player in QPR shirt that has faded in the wash is in that much space. This sort of thing does rustle me (particularly when it comes to tackles), would it really be that hard to link to where you've taken that screenshot from and say go to x:xx in the video?

 

[Inter_blade83]

The point you are trying to make may well be perfectly correct, but you have zero context of game flow from a still image as to why said player in QPR shirt that has faded in the wash is in that much space. This sort of thing does rustle me (particularly when it comes to tackles), would it really be that hard to link to where you've taken that screenshot from and say go to x:xx in the video?

I was in the upper corner, the player on the ball was in acres of space. The screenshot just shows you how bad it was with those two in the middle of the park.

 

[Mendi]

Its going so bad under him.

 

[FriethBlade]

Just listened to his post match interviewand and he sounded very demoralised. Acknowledged the lack of fitness and talked about having a full pre season with them this summer but didnt address the fact that hes been here since September and we still can only play 60 minutes of football. Said wed be 4th or the 5th in the league if it was done on XG but we arent good enough in both boxes. Can't defend and cant put teams to bed. Focused a lot on youth and us not being experienced enough. Said it will definitely be getting changed long term.

I think hes given up on a lot of these players and there's going to be some big changes this summer. Problem is a lot of whom hes going to want to get rid of won't have any suitors and they are on big wages. Who is buying Matos, McGuiness, Tanganga etc al for anything like what we paid for them on the wages we are paying them?

 

[YES Blade]

Changing manager is literally pointless. Because we'd be where we were last summer. We haven't invested (knowingly) in the infrastructure of the club, and so until we do so, I would trust Wilder the most to hold the ship as steady as possible. But we aren't likely to be competitive.

Why?

Our issue is, we're far from the finished article. That's why we create but are wasteful. Then, we lack the depth like-for-like, to keep the same tempo. Chong, Blaster, Ings, Davies. None bring the same fitness as who they replaced. The try, they are honest pros, but they have all had significant injuries in their careers. I won't take any of that "useless wanker" or "their on the beach already" crap. That's just laziness that shows the individual poster up. They are clearly trying.

The issue now, is that we're unlikely to have the resources needed to address the issues at hand. And what positives we do have (Cooper, O'Hare, Hamer, Seriki, Brooks, Peck) are likely to go.

Like I say, this isn't so much the opposition fighting their way back in to games, but us fading out of them. There's a difference. Combine that with easily knocked confidence and it explains why we are where we are.

I agree with you about the infrastructure of the club and changing manager might not really improve things or could even make things worse. But I’d still do it.

I’m just ready for something different, Wilder has been here for about 7 or 8 years out of the last 10. His best years were pre 2020 and I don’t see any signs of it returning.

If we keep Wilder, I will have zero optimism and enthusiasm for next season and it will feel like a chore going to the Lane. A leap into the unknown seems far more appealing right now!

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Why was he wearing a suit?

 

[just ted]

Why was he wearing a suit?

To be on Netflix

 

[1889]

Why was he wearing a suit?

Didn’t someone say that the owners were there yesterday? I assume that’s why he’d got a suit on, although he could’ve been at court on fraud charges

 

[Sheffsteel]

The structure of the club mean we are doomed to fail unfortunately

What you on about?
If we’d won then would the structure be great?

Makes me laugh how reactive some of our fans are from game to game just based on the result.
It was only a few week ago Peck was brilliant and worth £20 million but now apparently he’s crap.
Around Xmas time Brookes was rubbish, get rid…but now apparently he’s PL bound and will play for England.

My view is that in the past Wilder was big on “characters/ leaders”.
We have talented players but there’s something missing.

Might sound daft but we’re lacking a Jack Robinson, run through brick walls, can’t stand losing type.
Not saying I’d want him back but it’s dressing room characters that are missing.

Now that we will be back to being skint next season…..Wilder becomes the perfect manager that’s required for the task.

 

[Shawy24]

Why was he wearing a suit?

Said same. Meeting owners representatives or looking smart for the Wrexham Hollywood after party.

 

[Slim Man]

What you on about?
If we’d won then would the structure be great?

Makes me laugh how reactive some of our fans are from game to game just based on the result.
It was only a few week ago Peck was brilliant and worth £20 million but now apparently he’s crap.
Around Xmas time Brookes was rubbish, get rid…but now apparently he’s PL bound and will play for England.

My view is that in the past Wilder was big on “characters/ leaders”.
We have talented players but there’s something missing.

Might sound daft but we’re lacking a Jack Robinson, run through brick walls, can’t stand losing type.
Not saying I’d want him back but it’s dressing room characters that are missing.

Now that we will be back to being skint next season…..Wilder becomes the perfect manager that’s required for the task.

That's a lot of words to talk some utter bollocks

We have no structure at the club, if you can't understand the basics of top level football in 2026 I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about it.

 

[Loco Blade]

What you on about?
If we’d won then would the structure be great?

Makes me laugh how reactive some of our fans are from game to game just based on the result.
It was only a few week ago Peck was brilliant and worth £20 million but now apparently he’s crap.
Around Xmas time Brookes was rubbish, get rid…but now apparently he’s PL bound and will play for England.

My view is that in the past Wilder was big on “characters/ leaders”.
We have talented players but there’s something missing.

Might sound daft but we’re lacking a Jack Robinson, run through brick walls, can’t stand losing type.
Not saying I’d want him back but it’s dressing room characters that are missing.

Now that we will be back to being skint next season…..Wilder becomes the perfect manager that’s required for the task.

This hot / cold relationship with the club makes me laugh and saddens me at the same time . My knee is fucked . It hurts some days not others. It’s a metaphor for the club . Unless I do something about it for the long term I will have to suffer the pain and soldier on . The Wilder era is spent as was the McCabe . I will go for the major overhaul, suffer the initial pain and hold my piss till it comes good . If only we had enough fans who had the balls to get behind it .

 

[Nick Jansky]

Might sound daft but we’re lacking a Jack Robinson, run through brick walls, can’t stand losing type.
Not saying I’d want him back but it’s dressing room characters that are missing.

Now that we will be back to being skint next season…..Wilder becomes the perfect manager that’s required for the task.

Teams do need leaders. But in the modern game they also need athletes who can physically compete. We don’t tend to sign those, and we aren’t good at conditioning the players we do sign.

As for “the task”, what do you think that is? By far the biggest is to drag the club into the modern era. Wilder is far from perfect for that.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I agree with you about the infrastructure of the club and changing manager might not really improve things or could even make things worse. But I’d still do it.

I’m just ready for something different, Wilder has been here for about 7 or 8 years out of the last 10. His best years were pre 2020 and I don’t see any signs of it returning.

If we keep Wilder, I will have zero optimism and enthusiasm for next season and it will feel like a chore going to the Lane. A leap into the unknown seems far more appealing right now!

Whereas I'm too scarred by the Selles horror show that I'd rather stick with what we know and relative mediocrity on scant resources, until we develop the structure of the club.

The issue with that, is we don't seem to be developing the structure of the club

 

[Shawy24]

Now I'm not having that. Some things to note:

• We were not winning the game when Ogbene came on, and were losing when Chong came on
• Davies was playing so deep that we were effectively playing three at the back, hence those two were de facto wing backs, increasing attacking options when (checks notes) we were not winning
• The only options we didn't use were Faxon, Hjelde, McGuinness and Cannon. Only one of those offers any attacking option at all, and he's a pure 9. We had one of those on already, and brought another one on. You can't play three at the same time and taking Bamford off for Cannon would be crazy. Yes you could try Cannon instead of Ings but that's still the same argument really

There's a lot that you can criticise Wilder for, and I'm usually the first to do so, but given the options he had there's really not much else he could have done

I keep saying it. How about not making substitutions? It’s not mandatory. I could see Hoever getting tired but surely he can last a game to avoid the disaster of Ogbene attempting to play RB/WB?

Blaster has lost it and needs a lot more time and conditioning to compete and Davies is just playing out his time and his contract. It was Selles style suicidal negligence to try to finish that game with those two in or not in midfield.

Wilder says it wasn’t the tactics so I’m reassured. I’m glad he knew what he was trying to achieve because many of us didn’t. I wonder. Is there any correlation between goals conceded after Wilder substitutions.

 

[Kenilworth]

Todays rip roarer from our manager, 'we should have been out of sight'!

Well there it is then! Play 2 up front & we might have a chance to be.

We should have. Could have been 4 up at half time. Bamford with 2 sitters and O’Hare as a minimum.
Those are the facts when you take your bias out of it. Those chances created without 2 up top.

What’s more concerning is the complete lack of bollocks from the team when it comes to defending a lead. Hamer is a ghost, Howver and Burrows are like cones in a training exercise. Bindon and Tanganga are a car crash under any minor pressure.

The balance of the squad is as shite as it could be. Lots of dross, little quality and absolutely no bollocks between them.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

We should have. Could have been 4 up at half time. Bamford with 2 sitters and O’Hare as a minimum.
Those are the facts when you take your bias out of it. Those chances created without 2 up top.

What’s more concerning is the complete lack of bollocks from the team when it comes to defending a lead. Hamer is a ghost, Howver and Burrows are like cones in a training exercise. Bindon and Tanganga are a car crash under any minor pressure.

The balance of the squad is as shite as it could be. Lots of dross, little quality and absolutely no bollocks between them.

Now now, come on mate.

We're all friends here. It's a safe space. Hop down off the fence and tell us how you really feel. No need to be polite!

 

[jt64]

I keep saying it. How about not making substitutions? It’s not mandatory.

The literal biggest issue this season has been fitness and declining performances in the second half and you're suggesting not bringing on fresh legs? Really?

 

[GymClassHero]

We should have. Could have been 4 up at half time. Bamford with 2 sitters and O’Hare as a minimum.
Those are the facts when you take your bias out of it. Those chances created without 2 up top.

What’s more concerning is the complete lack of bollocks from the team when it comes to defending a lead. Hamer is a ghost, Howver and Burrows are like cones in a training exercise. Bindon and Tanganga are a car crash under any minor pressure.

The balance of the squad is as shite as it could be. Lots of dross, little quality and absolutely no bollocks between them.

Unfortunately this hits it on the head.

Piss weak squad with a shite mentality and lacking in quality

 

[Shawy24]

The literal biggest issue this season has been fitness and declining performances in the second half and you're suggesting not bringing on fresh legs? Really?

When the alternative is worse? Yes I am. The alternative in Ogbene for Hoever was worse. As for midfield that might not have been worse had Soumare been in the squad. But he wasn’t because Wilder prefers players who are unfit, past it, recovering from injury to anyone remotely athletic.

 

[Pandev]

Said same. Meeting owners representatives or looking smart for the Wrexham Hollywood after party.

Must of been awkward to see the owners after that performance. Especially as they are probably more interested in beating Wrexham than any other team

 

[Blade59]

Whereas I'm too scarred by the Selles horror show that I'd rather stick with what we know and relative mediocrity on scant resources, until we develop the structure of the club.

The issue with that, is we don't seem to be developing the structure of the club

I think this mirrors a lot of peoples thoughts, mine included. We need to plan where we go after Wilder but I have no confidence that there is anyone in the club that I would trust with making that decision. It was wrong to sack him in the summer and correct to then bring him back to sort out the Selles appointment disaster. What the owners should have been doing is putting a management structure in behind the scenes to plan for what comes next. There is no evidence to suggest they have even started to do that. We are therefore stuck in the short term with Wilder as the risks of another Selles type appointment at the moment is to great. The only saving grace is that it is possible for Wilder to put together an average squad that is capable of challenging for play offs especially under the new format (see Hull, Millwall) so at best might get lucky or at worst become a Stoke / Preston. We need to ensure we survive short term with the emphasis on putting structures in place that will move the club forward.

 

[blades_95]

Have major reservations with him tactically but I think he played a risky gamble quite early on by slating the summer recruitment and hoping the old guard would step up & January would then push us on with some in & out.

Unfortunately Campbell, Burrows, Cooper etc have been pretty horrific all season and the return of Wilder hasn’t got them back to last season’s levels. He keeps trying to bomb Soumare out but he’s arguably contributed the most out of our CM’s aside from Peck & Riedewald, and Phillips & Rothwell have been a waste of January funds who haven’t changed that.

He played his cards too early slating new players - where would the motivation be for the fringe players when Wilder’s publicly called them out? Chong, Mcguinnes, Ogbene, Ings, Mee etc are picking up a decent wage for very little work. They all genuinely look like League 2 players when they come on - is that a motivation issue, a coaching issue, or both?

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I’ve been saying for a while that a key reason for this season being poor is the midfield. Before Jairo it was terrible - no goals, no assists. Post Jairo it’s better and Sydie has done ok in bursts - but still on the whole, poor compared to recent seasons, especially when others need to come in - Chong etc - who are dross.

 

[FriethBlade]

Have major reservations with him tactically but I think he played a risky gamble quite early on by slating the summer recruitment and hoping the old guard would step up & January would then push us on with some in & out.

Unfortunately Campbell, Burrows, Cooper etc have been pretty horrific all season and the return of Wilder hasn’t got them back to last season’s levels. He keeps trying to bomb Soumare out but he’s arguably contributed the most out of our CM’s aside from Peck & Riedewald, and Phillips & Rothwell have been a waste of January funds who haven’t changed that.

He played his cards too early slating new players - where would the motivation be for the fringe players when Wilder’s publicly called them out? Chong, Mcguinnes, Ogbene, Ings, Mee etc are picking up a decent wage for very little work. They all genuinely look like League 2 players when they come on - is that a motivation issue, a coaching issue, or both?

Agree with all of that and the likes of Matos (3yr contract) , Chong ( 4 yr contract ffs) and McGuiness (another 4 yr contract)are going to be incredibly difficult to shift given the wages they will be on. None of those were Wilders fault but he hasnt helped by signing Rothwell whose legs have gone and wasnt good enough to get in Rangers team who play in an awful division and Phillips who hadn't kicked a ball for god knows how long.

Its all a mess and really the only saving grace for me since Xmas has been that Jairo and Bamford have been excellent and the form of Peck, Brooks and Femi. Hopefully that's 5 players that we can build around over the summer bit there a lot of holes to fill and deadwood to shift

 

[LBA_Blade]

Agree with all of that and the likes of Matos (3yr contract) , Chong ( 4 yr contract ffs) and McGuiness (another 4 yr contract)are going to be incredibly difficult to shift given the wages they will be on. None of those were Wilders fault but he hasnt helped by signing Rothwell whose legs have gone and wasnt good enough to get in Rangers team who play in an awful division and Phillips who hadn't kicked a ball for god knows how long.

Its all a mess and really the only saving grace for me since Xmas has been that Jairo and Bamford have been excellent and the form of Peck, Brooks and Femi. Hopefully that's 5 players that we can build around over the summer bit there a lot of holes to fill and deadwood to shift

Providing Jairo signs an extension as at the moment he goes in the summer, and any of the youngsters are kept, we might have some chance of putting together a squad. However currently is a man mountain of a task, we are looking at nearly every area of the park to strengthen on currently and bring in depth. Doubtful that will be on fee paying players so we may be looking at the frees and loans again.

 

[KMC-1889]

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This is every bit as bad as what Selles was doing and why our defence looked so horrific in those first 5 games.