Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[prescotblade]

I‘m sure Wilder knows his time will come.
Think the board should do some forward thinking planning. Look at the next type of manager and style they would like to see played and then talk with wilder who he would succeed in this style of play.
Wilder isn’t just a defensive style of manager, but is pragmatic.
If there is one thing that Selles showed is that possibly a lot of our players are not adaptable. Or couldn’t put it over right.
I believe Wilder would work towards a specific style of play. However promotion next season no. This is a two or more season project.

 

[Steve Mackan]

If you see my post above the one you quoted, I say I don’t think there’s any point in changing manager at the minute. There’s too much else at the club in need of change before Wilder.

But eventually, if we do want to attempt to establish ourselves at the top level then I think our future lies away from Wilder.

He’s a good championship manager - his PPG as you rightly point out proves that, which if our ambition is to be somewhere around the top 6/8 then great, but I think most people including the owners eventually want more than that. Wilders strengths are pulling together a team, creating a tight unit and making them competitive and hard to beat. That’s fine, but it seems to have a ceiling.

I think recruitment under wilder has been consistently pretty poor. He was far better working on a shoe string than he has been since he hit the premier league jackpot. He has this weird fixation with tracking certain players over a number of windows and then they end up not being good enough by the time he gets them.

He’s fine as a manager for now, but I personally think he’d be an awful choice as a director of football.

I'm no happy clapper of his, but I think Wilder's strength is delivering winning football teams more consistently than 95% of other managers of his generation. And the ceiling is promotion to the top flight. I don't really think that Sheffield United's ceiling has anything to do with managers but money -- top flight clubs have more than us even when we go up.

 

[SBSP]

Now.

 

[Inter_blade83]

I'm ready to move on. Seasons over. Blood some youngsters in the squad/team, even the GK. No point playing Davies in goal.

 

[Harry's Game]

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

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Spent force, yesterday’s man

 

[Nick Jansky]

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Nice suit though. Do we know if he got off with the charges?

 

[Silky Sabella]

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Absolutely. He must have aged 25 years in the past 12 month's

 

[pollster]

Do we call time now to start preapring for next season or let him see out the meaningless end to the season?

Glad he stopped us from getting relegated, but clearly what he once had to push on is gone.

IT HAS TO BE ASAP
if anyone is to assess the squad before next season.
We CANNOT trust the COH clowns to make decisions on outgoings after their disasters last summer
And we CANNOT allow the journeyman imbecile Wilder to continue 'building' a team of 30 year olds.
Sadly we cannot trust COH to have a clue JUST how big an imbecile and disaster Wilder has been and will continue to be.
He has ABANDONED all the principles that made me like him as a player and to be angry when Bassett got rid for peanuts.
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS TEAM IS ARSE ABOUT TIT
in terms of good practise and habits in football
and his player assessment is the WORST I have ever known.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Not saying we don't need to think about next steps but that's not good for your blood pressure!

 

[jt64]

I'm ready to move on. Seasons over. Blood some youngsters in the squad/team, even the GK. No point playing Davies in goal.

Agree. Davies has been perfectly fine since he's come in, but we know what we have with him. Give Faxon games, if it is trial by fire then so be it

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Whatever your opinion on Wilder is it doesn't matter, he's staying till at least next season. Its better to support the lads then moan about him every bad result/performance surely?

Also whilst we have no decent planning in the boardroom I do believe CW is the man we need right now. Its a mess.

I hope the board have deep pockets because season ticket sales are going to be well down on this season if Wilder is still in charge.

 

[54yrblade]

I know two who aren't renewing

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I know two who aren't renewing

I'm 25/75 if Wilder stays,I would probably renew if he goes.
But I also need to see some hope in the new appointment and in the way the club is moving forward.
Do I trust the new owners, not really after the end off last season. Personally I think they need help and really need to get someone in who knows English football preferably without any United connections.

 

[UddersBlade]

Wilder has 1 year left in his contract - so no chance our owners make a change again this summer. Can you imagine if they sack him again & then we have another terrible start next season……. There will be more hysterical cries for Wilder to return again! So no ….. it’s best for everyone that we break this cycle & give Wilder the summer to wheel & deal & see if he can rebuild. If not …..it really will be the end for him.

 

[Keen Blade]

God knows what goes through Wilder's brain when making selections & substitutions

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Wilder has 1 year left in his contract - so no chance our owners make a change again this summer. Can you imagine if they sack him again & then we have another terrible start next season……. There will be more hysterical cries for Wilder to return again! So no ….. it’s best for everyone that we break this cycle & give Wilder the summer to wheel & deal & see if he can rebuild. If not …..it really will be the end for him.

The problem with that is we will have wasted a whole season and then be stuck with all Wilder's signings on 3 year plus contracts.
It's not best for everyone though, there are already people me included that are thinking about not renewing or definitely not going to renew season tickets.

It should have been the end for him after Wembley he blew that big style.
Nothing he has shown since he has come back has convinced me he deserves another crack, yes it looks like he will keep us up, but any half decent manager should have been able too do that with this set of players.
His limitations are still there poor signings in January, substitutions that have no positive impact on games, and his inability to change tactics in games except for dropping everyone back to try and cling on.

It looks like a few players will leave either because they won't sign a new contract or because we have a drop in income, so it makes sense too have a clean sweep now.
Do I trust the board to get it right, no not after last time, but that is no reason to stick with what we have got especially has it's not working.

The owners need to put the work in and have a plan, talk to people who know the English game. Take Harry Redknapp out for some jam roly poly, even fellow American owners of English clubs.

I also think a DOF who knows the English game would help, but please not someone who has some connection to United and definitely not Wilder.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

I’m sick to death of him now. I don’t even care if we go down to league one, even two. We just need a different direction.

Owners need to get the structure right behind the scenes with proper football men. If they get that right the rest will follow.

 

[54yrblade]

The tide is turning now. Thankfully

 

[Nick Jansky]

I’m not a fan by any means, but I’m not calling for him to go now or at the end of the season.

Really, next season is set up perfectly for him and has a number of parallels with 2016. A squad in need of a major overhaul and not having loads of money to spend on it beyond what he can generate from player sales. That’s what he’s supposed to be good at and this will be when we get to see whether any of the Wilder Mk1 magic is still there in a broadly comparable set of circumstances to when he first came in, the first time in the last 10 years we have been in such a situation.

It will go one of two ways. Either we will be looking like contenders or he will be gone before Christmas with only a few months left on his contract. And I can’t see any sort of rush from the owners to extend his contract at this point, the clock is ticking and the jury is very much out.

It will be fascinating to see how it all develops. At least being a Blade is never dull.

 

[Danny_Blade]

There is no reason why we shouldn't get rid of him once this season has ended. I don't think we actually will do it though.

It appears nothing within the club in terms of infrastructure has changed or even started yet since Wilder's re-appointment, though despite this that still doesn't mean we should just hang onto Wilder for the sake of it. If we did decide to twist again yes we'd be worried about another Selles debacle happening, but disastrous appointments like him can and do happen to the vast majority of clubs from time to time - it happens so get over it. Selles was fairly inexperienced and well out of his depth, it doesn't mean to say the next appointment is also going to be as bad as that one was.

There are managers out there other than Wilder who can be successful for us whilst the work on a new infrastructure gets underway.

As another poster has said above there will be some parallels next summer that Wilder would find himself in similar to when he first arrived in 2016, but I'm afraid I just can't look past the elephant in the room of Wilder being way past his best now and this was always exactly what was going to happen. Which is why I didn't want him back the second time let alone for this third spell, I saw it all coming and here we are. What I mean by this is that bringing him back was always going to mean he would also be bringing back his deficiencies and limitations as a manager. I'm not trying to attack the man BTW just merely pointing out that he's seemingly not the type of person that works on their weaknesses (you know, self development) whether whilst he is in work or when between jobs, he's not really the intellectual type is he? He is and always will be the same manager he's always been and the game has and is still passing him by.

 

[Maidenhead]

I’m not a fan by any means, but I’m not calling for him to go now or at the end of the season.

Really, next season is set up perfectly for him and has a number of parallels with 2016. A squad in need of a major overhaul and not having loads of money to spend on it beyond what he can generate from player sales. That’s what he’s supposed to be good at and this will be when we get to see whether any of the Wilder Mk1 magic is still there in a broadly comparable set of circumstances to when he first came in, the first time in the last 10 years we have been in such a situation.

It will go one of two ways. Either we will be looking like contenders or he will be gone before Christmas with only a few months left on his contract. And I can’t see any sort of rush from the owners to extend his contract at this point, the clock is ticking and the jury is very much out.

It will be fascinating to see how it all develops. At least being a Blade is never dull.

Very well put.

That's exactly how I see it too.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

The board won’t be able to remove Wilder given they had to go crawling back to him last September (after the Selles farce). They’ve backed themselves into a corner.

They’ll only get rid if we’re in the bottom three by Christmas or if Wilder mardys off like he did in 2021.

 

[Silky Sabella]

There are probably very few people on this forum who have despised wilder as much as myself over the years, and this is predominantly down to his arrogance, chest pumping, getting pissed and dancing on tables and insulting another professional manager, calling supporters punters etc/, so this may come as a bit of a suprise, but after watching his interview yesterday I felt almost sorry for him. He looked like a frail old man in his suit, stuttering and mumbling his words. Quite sad really !

 

[TJ blade]

God knows what goes through Wilder's brain when making selections & substitutions

Being fair to Wilder he aint got a lot to chose from regarding the bench( yes he's fucked up again in the last window!) But he gets outsmarted time & time again regarding subs& tactics, To be put in his place Saturday by that arsehole Parkinson is fckg embarrassing to say the lease!!

 

[KMC-1889]

Wilder has 1 year left in his contract - so no chance our owners make a change again this summer. Can you imagine if they sack him again & then we have another terrible start next season……. There will be more hysterical cries for Wilder to return again! So no ….. it’s best for everyone that we break this cycle & give Wilder the summer to wheel & deal & see if he can rebuild. If not …..it really will be the end for him.

It won’t be a rebuild though, it’ll be even more short termism to get us through his last 12 months and have a decent season.

Even if he leaves at the end of his contract there will still be constant cries from the usual few of getting him back whenever we have a few bad results.

It’s not bad luck he couldn’t find another job in the summer when so many clubs were making changes.

 

[Bladesman101]

There are probably very few people on this forum who have despised wilder as much as myself over the years, and this is predominantly down to his arrogance, chest pumping, getting pissed and dancing on tables and insulting another professional manager, calling supporters punters etc/, so this may come as a bit of a suprise, but after watching his interview yesterday I felt almost sorry for him. He looked like a frail old man in his suit, stuttering and mumbling his words. Quite sad really !

you do acknowledge don’t you that we were looking like going down before he came in? Some bizarre short memories on here, we’d lost every single game before he came in, and every blade would’ve taken mid table.

 

[ekke287]

you do acknowledge don’t you that we were looking like going down before he came in? Some bizarre short memories on here, we’d lost every single game before he came in, and every blade would’ve taken mid table.

So he gets a free pass for taking players who should’ve been performing anyway and making them win a few games?

Fine. Well done Wilder.

Now maybe we can address the consistent poor performances that were overlooked last season because we were marginally winning, the collapse and frankly embarrassing pre-match interviews where he disrespected the opposition, the complete lack of a plan and consistent absence of any form of squad discipline.

This season has been a joke managerially, and Selles was the wrong choice. Now, in context, he’d managed a handful of games and was trying something new, something we’d been crying out for. Wilder has come in done the bare minimum to ensure we’re a championship side next season, but his complete lack of idea on how to set up these players, never mind change a tactic on the fly, means we’re a weak, soft as shite lower half team.

Where’s the fight? Where’s the passion? And most crucially, where’s the fucking ACCOUNTABILITY? The first two are things Wilder is known for, be he looks devoid of ideas and happy to blame everyone else. It’s YOUR fault Wilder, you’re in charge of the team.

As fans we need patience over a season or two, to set the groundwork for a well run club. That starts with owners having a structure and not caving to poor results and running back to safe hands Wilder. It needs a manager who can mould what he has, not shrug his shoulders and walk away. It needs leaders on the pitch to grab these youngsters and guide their development, instead of being thrown under the bus when they naturally make mistakes.

Saturday versus Wrexham, we all knew what was going to happen. We all knew. Wilder isn’t stupid, he must’ve seen what we were seeing.

The difference is he’s in charge and can change it. We can’t.

 

[Hallamboy87]

Unfortunately, sometimes things have to come to an end. You have younger managers with a modern take on the game. Football has evolved so much, and Wilder seems reluctant to change the way he manages, which is having a negative impact on us.

He will always be considered a modern-day legend for building the foundations to get us back into the premier league, but we need to leave it there and go after a modern manager that has a tactical brain and can be pro-active rather than re-active.

 

[Bladesman101]

So he gets a free pass for taking players who should’ve been performing anyway and making them win a few games?

Fine. Well done Wilder.

Now maybe we can address the consistent poor performances that were overlooked last season because we were marginally winning, the collapse and frankly embarrassing pre-match interviews where he disrespected the opposition, the complete lack of a plan and consistent absence of any form of squad discipline.

This season has been a joke managerially, and Selles was the wrong choice. Now, in context, he’d managed a handful of games and was trying something new, something we’d been crying out for. Wilder has come in done the bare minimum to ensure we’re a championship side next season, but his complete lack of idea on how to set up these players, never mind change a tactic on the fly, means we’re a weak, soft as shite lower half team.

Where’s the fight? Where’s the passion? And most crucially, where’s the fucking ACCOUNTABILITY? The first two are things Wilder is known for, be he looks devoid of ideas and happy to blame everyone else. It’s YOUR fault Wilder, you’re in charge of the team.

As fans we need patience over a season or two, to set the groundwork for a well run club. That starts with owners having a structure and not caving to poor results and running back to safe hands Wilder. It needs a manager who can mould what he has, not shrug his shoulders and walk away. It needs leaders on the pitch to grab these youngsters and guide their development, instead of being thrown under the bus when they naturally make mistakes.

Saturday versus Wrexham, we all knew what was going to happen. We all knew. Wilder isn’t stupid, he must’ve seen what we were seeing.

The difference is he’s in charge and can change it. We can’t.

What utter drivel this is. Wilder has not done the bare minimum at all, the team was absolutely heading for relegation, and all his best players from last season had been sold and in most cases not even replaced.

It’s the same everytime with people like Sharp and wilder, people write them off when they have a bad patch, then when they do well the morons go silent for a while praying for em to slip up again so they can be captain hindsight all over again, it’s tedious