Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[Berkshire Blade]

If we kept Wilder we would certainly be in the play offs this year.

The wilder out lot last year having the cheek to return with their illogical point on view, which is all it is, after being so thoroughly humbled is like Brexiters thinking Nigel Fararge under new branding is going to fix things

 

[Willglynning]

This idea that Wilder is the only person who could have turned around the atrocious start to this season is borderline outrageous.

He’s course corrected an abysmal start- but I don’t understand people thinking that he’s the only manager that could have got a tune out of what is still a strong starting 11.

If anyone reading this genuinely thinks that Chris Wilder is the only man for the job, then you are part of the problem.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

This idea that Wilder is the only person who could have turned around the atrocious start to this season is borderline outrageous.

He’s course corrected an abysmal start- but I don’t understand people thinking that he’s the only manager that could have got a tune out of what is still a strong starting 11.

If anyone reading this genuinely thinks that Chris Wilder is the only man for the job, then you are part of the problem.

Is anyone saying that?

But you need more than "well someone else could do as well or better" to have a strong argument to make another change.

 

[joe casey]

This idea that Wilder is the only person who could have turned around the atrocious start to this season is borderline outrageous.

He’s course corrected an abysmal start- but I don’t understand people thinking that he’s the only manager that could have got a tune out of what is still a strong starting 11.

If anyone reading this genuinely thinks that Chris Wilder is the only man for the job, then you are part of the problem.

Has anyone actually said this?

 

[Tom Bott]

We've still not learned from any mistakes of last summer in terms of getting football people in behind the scenes.

James Bord is a football person though.

Maybe try someone else this time though, there's plenty to choose from.

Does anyone know how much it cost to employ Bord, Selles and his team and all the crap players bought in?

£ 6 to 10 million is not an unreasonable suggestion, and hey once you are on the managerial merry go round you can always change them again come christmas.

 

[Th!stledo]

Wasn't Wilder's nickname at Northampton something like "10 bob King"?
We will need to drastically cut our spending next season. Wilder will be the perfect fit to do the wheeling and dealing.
There have been many successes in the past and Pat Bamford and Jaïro Riedewald are great examples of his recent pickings.
For those so keen to get rid of Wilder, remember where we were before he came ... and how long we'd been there!!!

 

[YES Blade]

39 points from last 22 matches. Leave it at that. Would be 5th in table.

Do the other 10 matches under Wilder not count?

 

[derfblade.3]

Do we call time now to start preapring for next season or let him see out the meaningless end to the season?

Glad he stopped us from getting relegated, but clearly what he once had to push on is gone.

Look at me..........bore off!

 

[MobileBlade]

Do the other 10 matches under Wilder not count?

That's the debate. After losing 5 on the bounce, he has to pick them up. How many games should he have been allowed?

 

[Willglynning]

Is anyone saying that?

But you need more than "well someone else could do as well or better" to have a strong argument to make another change.

Has anyone actually said this?

Yes, people are 100% saying that Wilder is the only person who could have saved us after the start to the season, and that he's the only manager who could do well in these specific circumstances.


For one- you've said as much in this very thread:

Ridiculous.

Look at the squad - the poor signings made in the summer.
With no parachute's next year there's only one man I'd want pulling rabbits out of a hat and he's sat in the dugout.

Agree with Slim Man- until the infrastructure of the club is set up to survive without Wilder, then in my opinion its always going to end in tears without him (and yes Hecky a great job but he was essentially an extension of Wilder)

You said that he's the only man you'd want for the job, and that there is no other manager that could possibly handle the unique set of circumstances of... what exactly?


You can dismiss Heckingbottom all you want, but we had more success under him, than either Wilder mk 2 or 3, whilst also having the first cup run we've had since Nigel Clough's tenure.

I could go and quote multiple other users across different threads from this forum, but yes- there are people expressing that exact sentiment.

 

[YES Blade]

That's the debate. After losing 5 on the bounce, he has to pick them up. How many games should he have been allowed?

The only reason to bring him back without considering any other candidates is that the core of the squad were his players and he should be able to hit the ground running.

If the expectation is that a new manager gets 10 matches to turn things around, then don’t just bring back Wilder, do a proper recruitment process.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The only reason to bring him back without considering any other candidates is that the core of the squad were his players and he should be able to hit the ground running.

If the expectation is that a new manager gets 10 matches to turn things around, then don’t just bring back Wilder, do a proper recruitment process.

But we need a manager who can work with this squad because that's MUCH cheaper and easier than changing a whole squad style. The move from Wilder to Slav to Hecky who used a more Wilder like up is our own example of that.

 

[MobileBlade]

The only reason to bring him back without considering any other candidates is that the core of the squad were his players and he should be able to hit the ground running.

If the expectation is that a new manager gets 10 matches to turn things around, then don’t just bring back Wilder, do a proper recruitment process.

He still took 11 points from those first 10 games and the games such as Derby at home and Preston away even his most harshest critic would have struggled to pin those on him. Well at least those who understand football on the pitch and not a play station. Just think back to that Ipswich game.

 

[Willglynning]

But we need a manager who can work with this squad because that's MUCH cheaper and easier than changing a whole squad style. The move from Wilder to Slav to Hecky who used a more Wilder like up is our own example of that.

The implication that there's no manager other than Wilder that can manage this squad when even Wilder isn't getting a tune out of it in recent weeks is bizarre.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The implication that there's no manager other than Wilder that can manage this squad when even Wilder isn't getting a tune out of it in recent weeks is bizarre.

So who is your choice? The one that's able to get 90 points or promotions like Wilder has? The one that's turned around a side looking like relegation fodder until one that has been a play off chasing ability one? Because calling for change is a hell of a lot easier than having real answers.

 

[Willglynning]

So who is your choice? The one that's able to get 90 points or promotions like Wilder has? The one that's turned around a side looking like relegation fodder until one that has been a play off chasing ability one? Because calling for change is a hell of a lot easier than having real answers.

You are missing my point.

The onus isn't on me to suggest a replacement - it'd be meaningless because it's all completely hypothetical anyway.

My point is that Sheffield United football club is not only capable of being managed by Chris Wilder, and one wrong appointment in the form of Selles does not mean that Wilder is the only man who could successfully manage this club. We have a decent first 11 for this level.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

You are missing my point.

The onus isn't on me to suggest a replacement - it'd be meaningless because it's all completely hypothetical anyway.

My point is that Sheffield United football club is not only capable of being managed by Chris Wilder, and one wrong appointment in the form of Selles does not mean that Wilder is the only man who could successfully manage this club. We have a decent first 11 for this level.

You are missing mine. Making the change because someone else could do it isn't strong enough a reason to make a change

 

[YES Blade]

He still took 11 points from those first 10 games and the games such as Derby at home and Preston away even his most harshest critic would have struggled to pin those on him. Well at least those who understand football on the pitch and not a play station. Just think back to that Ipswich game.

That’s my point, any new competent manager should easily be able to pick up 11 points from his first 10 matches. The difference with Wilder is that the majority of the squad were his players and he should be able to do better than a new manager.

Why does he get a free pass for Derby and Preston? Was Wilder perfect for those matches? Picking a proper right back would’ve helped for a start

 

[MobileBlade]

That’s my point, any new competent manager should easily be able to pick up 11 points from his first 10 matches. The difference with Wilder is that the majority of the squad were his players and he should be able to do better than a new manager.

Why does he get a free pass for Derby and Preston? Was Wilder perfect for those matches? Picking a proper right back would’ve helped for a start

We will disagree I think. I think their form over the last 22 matches is not a reason to sack anyone. Norwich would be below us in that table. Given their manager came in shortly after Wilder, should he be sacked as well?

 

[MTBlade]

The club is stuck in a loop at the moment and I dont think anything will change, until CW decides to move on himself.

CW deciding when he goes, is the only way a percentage of supporters will also move on from CW.

CW will always be remembered in my personal history for the great times in his first tenure.

Having said that and this is my opinion, this is slightly getting tarnished with last and this seasons football.

Last season, we scraped 1-0 wins until we ran out of luck towards the end of the season and dare I say it, we got worked out.

This season, wow what a come back and how he gave us a glimmer of the players offs from where we were was amazing, but whats happened, has he been worked out again?

Its notable to me that the best we've played this season, is when we've played 2 up top. We are now back to one up top and results and performances have dropped IMO.

So for me, CW stays next season to give it a go and hopefully if its not working, HE decides to move on for the good of his club.

Wether he does if its not going well, we wait see.

 

[joe casey]

Yes, people are 100% saying that Wilder is the only person who could have saved us after the start to the season, and that he's the only manager who could do well in these specific circumstances.


For one- you've said as much in this very thread:



You said that he's the only man you'd want for the job, and that there is no other manager that could possibly handle the unique set of circumstances of... what exactly?


You can dismiss Heckingbottom all you want, but we had more success under him, than either Wilder mk 2 or 3, whilst also having the first cup run we've had since Nigel Clough's tenure.

I could go and quote multiple other users across different threads from this forum, but yes- there are people expressing that exact sentiment.

Probably semantics but yes he's the only man I'd want for the job right now - this is not to mean he's the only man I think would have been capable of rescuing this season as he has and giving us a good go next season on a tighter budget. If it's a choice between Wilder or a Gary O'Neill say, then I'd always rather have Wilder because of his connections to the club.
Also was not intended to dismiss Heckingbottom but the squad at his disposal in our promotion season is light years ahead of what Wilder mk2/3 has to work with - in my opinion.

Ultimately the overriding point is that the club need to build the infrastructure behind Wilder so that any subsequent manager is actually a modern first team coach and not a "Football club Manager" which is becoming increasingly old fashioned

 

[Willglynning]

Probably semantics but yes he's the only man I'd want for the job right now - this is not to mean he's the only man I think would have been capable of rescuing this season as he has and giving us a good go next season on a tighter budget. If it's a choice between Wilder or a Gary O'Neill say, then I'd always rather have Wilder because of his connections to the club.
Also was not intended to dismiss Heckingbottom but the squad at his disposal in our promotion season is light years ahead of what Wilder mk2/3 has to work with - in my opinion.

Ultimately the overriding point is that the club need to build the infrastructure behind Wilder so that any subsequent manager is actually a modern first team coach and not a "Football club Manager" which is becoming increasingly old fashioned

Fair enough. I don't agree with you on several of those points, but to each their own.

 

[BerksBlade]

He is literally saying that Wilder stays unless we want another repeat of the Selles "disaster". That is a direct implication that nobody else will work and sacking Wilder will result in inevitable massive failure.

I didn't say nobody else would work. I said a different type of manager. Wilder & Bettis appear to be running the club on their own - most successful clubs do not operate this way anymore. But neither appears to want to change (by appointing a DoF for example).

 

[YES Blade]

We will disagree I think. I think their form over the last 22 matches is not a reason to sack anyone. Norwich would be below us in that table. Given their manager came in shortly after Wilder, should he be sacked as well?

No, because Clement has a better record W14 D3 L7 vs Wilder W15 D4 L14.

 

[MobileBlade]

No, because Clement has a better record W14 D3 L7 vs Wilder W15 D4 L14.

Not over the last 22 matches which is what is stated. The top 4 would be the current top 4, United 5th, Norwich 6th.

 

[reedy63]

The owners dropped a bollock by getting rid of Chris Wilder; they should have kept him. He would have bought better players in.
We would be in the promotion mix. Getting rid of Him now would be suicidal. They dont have a clue who would replace Him for a start.

 

[MTBlade]

Ultimately the overriding point is that the club need to build the infrastructure behind Wilder so that any subsequent manager is actually a modern first team coach and not a "Football club Manager" which is becoming increasingly old fashioned

Totally agree, but according to what some say, will CW and SB allow that to happen?

 

[YES Blade]

Not over the last 22 matches which is what is stated. The top 4 would be the current top 4, United 5th, Norwich 6th.

Well Clement just beat Wilder so clearly he’s better?!? I’m obviously not being serious with that, but you can support any argument if you are going to be selective with the stats.

Wilder should be judged on all matches he’s managed and on the whole it’s been pretty average, I’d say 6/10. Is it enough to be sacked? Probably not, but it’s also not given me any reason to be optimistic about next season with him as manager.

 

[bartman]

I am not a Wilder fan and don't want him as manager. His inability to alter tactics during a game is staggering especially in the 2nd half of games where opposition teams try something different tactically. In general, he keeps following a 'process' then blames the players when it doesnt work
However, his main job when he was brought in after Selles was to avoid relegation. Wilder has done this so credit to him. We will.lose the 6 on loan players at the end of the season along with Ings,Shackleton(?), Tom Davies(maybe some other who are out of contract) and will probably have to sell a couple of players at least .

He has a big rebuild job ,whether he can do this is open to question but,based on the fact he has achieved the primary objective for the club this season, I think he needs to be given the opportunity.

 

[YES Blade]

I am not a Wilder fan and don't want him as manager. His inability to alter tactics during a game is staggering especially in the 2nd half of games where opposition teams try something different tactically. In general, he keeps following a 'process' then blames the players when it doesnt work
However, his main job when he was brought in after Selles was to avoid relegation. Wilder has done this so credit to him. We will.lose the 6 on loan players at the end of the season along with Ings,Shackleton(?), Tom Davies(maybe some other who are out of contract) and will probably have to sell a couple of players at least .

He has a big rebuild job ,whether he can do this is open to question but,based on the fact he has achieved the primary objective for the club this season, I think he needs to be given the opportunity.

With 41 matches still to play, do you honestly think the owners ambitions for the rest of the season was avoiding relegation?