What is Wrong With Wilder?

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Broomhall Blade said:
Your first point is wrong, teams that do well score goals look at Leeds, Burnley last season and Coventry and Middlesbrough this season.
All were not particularly solid at the back but attacked with pace and always looked threatening going forward.
They didn't need too be that strong in defensive because they know if they did concede they are more than capable of out scoring the opposition.
Of course the Holy grail would be a tight defensive and a lightning quick free scoring attack.
Personally I think it is more important to be better in attack than defense, at the end of the day goals win games.
The triple assault season was a good example we often conceded but you knew we had goals in us, we were equally capable of scoring inside the first 10min or in the 96th minute.
Now when Wilder makes substitutions our attacking threat evaporates and we never look like scoring.
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Agreed but Burnley were ultra tight defensively last season.
 



gordoncharles said:
It was right to get rid of Hecky. In fact it should have been much earlier; he should have been shown the door after the Fulham away game.

And any normal club would have binned Wilder off too, way before the end of that season as in many ways it got worse. Probably after the Arsenal humiliation when we'd conceded 21 goals during 4 consecutive home games.

There is no changing things around without risk. I think back, for example, to when Ipswich got rid of Mick McCarthy and we had the usual "be careful what you wish for" warnings from the punditry wankerati. Sure enough, Ipswich did get relegated and spent 3 seasons in the 3rd Division but they're in a far better place now. I wonder where they'd be if they still had McCarthy boring them to death?

Of course, we had a similar experience ourselves. The trouble is there's still a hell of a lot of Blades who think that can be repeated.
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Hecky should have gone after the 8 goal Newcastle defeat.
 
The Fox said:
It'll be an intresting summer.
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“Now is the summer of our discontent”.

If we don’t do it now, next summer Wilder will be a dead man walking. If he’s not offered a new deal the summer will all be about keeping or getting rid of him and his team. His mate int pub will start the toxic posting etc and we can forget about on field events.
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:


Im a big wilder fan as you know but he's talking crap here. Chances other night...
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I took it that CW was talking about the chances we made v WBA last Saturday, not the 'get in the lead, shit ourselves, and time waste' experience in midweek.

He is right, we should have beaten WBA comfortably, but the players looked like they couldnt be arsed to grab the game by the scruff, and the game drifted and we got what we deserved in the end. We did in midweek too i.e. feck all.
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
Slav and Selles deserved the sackings they got. Not "bladey blade" but awful at their jobs so rightfully were fired.

Results picked up with Hecky and Wilder coming in as replacements.
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Slav, with the enormous backing wilder has had, would have been a massive success, and would be classed as the third greatest blades manager ever behind the legendary John Harris and Dave Bassett!
 
Just a point I would make last season some of the football we played was turgid and it was unbelievable the amount of points we gained playing like that.
Once Wilder came in this season he needed to win games he send them out and we have seen dome of the best flowing attacking football.
But when it started to look like we could Gate crash the playoffs we started well in games and then became negative.
It's something over the many years I have seen in football team in relegation position change manager and miraculous stay up by playing attacking football with points rally that would have seen them in told six.However the following season negative play comes into play the manager changes his thought process and style.
You only have to look at what happened at our neighbours with sausage roll.
 
IOM Blade said:
24 points lost from winning positions. All under Wilder as we never lead under Selles. Has to be one of the highest in the league.

6 points gained from losing positions is also one of the lowest in the league.
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Has he been asked to explain this in a presser,or brought it up himself to offer his explanation?
There can be a number of explanations imo, opposition bench change tactics and it's not answered by ours,we switch tactics and go more defensive for instance,we are not fit enough to see games out.
I don't recall that we concede more than usual amount of late goals though,a lot seem to have occurred just before or just after half time,do the fitness thing might be answered by that.
 
We might scrape a result today and all the happy clappers will be jumping on the wagon again with the so called messiah back to god status
 



prescotblade said:
Nothing is wrong with Wilder. He is a manager who is managing a club who have high expectations on the cheap.
If we had a top manager like Pep, he wouldn’t achieve as much on our resources.
Okay to aim for Premier League but no way we can compete.A different world
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Just to clarify, the implication here is that the current iteration of Chris Wilder is a better manager than Pep Guardiola?

Obviously it’s a completely redundant thing to even hypothesise about because there’s no way a manager of Guardiola’s pedigree would be managing Sheffield United; but to suggest that one of the best current managers in world football would not be able to achieve mid-table in the Championship with this team is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read.
 
KMC-1889 said:
I can’t find a pull quote but in his last Radio Sheffield interview Bettis categorically ruled out a DOF as not being a ‘good fit for the club’
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It’s not unreasonable to think he meant as of now. With Wilder in situ.
 
Cheeky Blade said:
Wilder has faults as do most managers but I’d reframe the question to ask ‘what is wrong with the club’.

We’ve had a series of poor owners who have taken a piecemeal approach to running the football club, the result of which have left us in the hands of these seemingly clueless Americans.
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I think there something in that.

It’s not one thing, it’s a sequence of things
 
YES Blade said:
The question is, would Wilder accept a new set up? Would it be something we could do over a period of time with Wilder in place or would he want out if it’s not being run the way he wants?
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Wilder is never going to accept having any boss other than his mate Bettis.
And Bettis stated publicly in his radio interview that "we're not having a DoF" , obviously coz he knows it wouldn't be him and he felt his job & status threatened - he wasn't a Director at the time.
CoH have properly shafted themselves after their disastrous appointment of Selles as a head coach before there was a suitable structure around him.
Betti's was reeling from his mate Wilder being sacked and was probably obstructive ,
plus neither of them knew the first thing about what recruitment was needed , hence the tragic summer 25 window.
So CoH are now "dead in the water" , having made the accountant Bettis the only UK based Director
And
made Wilder virtually unsackable.
It would take an atomic bomb to shift those two now.
And yet it's clear to me that my club will make no lasting progress - based on a better management structure - until we're shot of the pair of them.
They can run it like they own the shop , fill it up with Wilder's old pals and to hell with how good they are (eg Hoyland at recruitment) or whether half the team aren't really fit enough for professional football.
This coming window will be very revealing - we'll get an idea from the ins but more importantly from the outs - where we sit on the spectrum from yo-yo club , all the way down to relegation fodder
 
Keen Blade said:
Wilder is never going to accept having any boss other than his mate Bettis.
And Bettis stated publicly in his radio interview that "we're not having a DoF" , obviously coz he knows it wouldn't be him and he felt his job & status threatened - he wasn't a Director at the time.
CoH have properly shafted themselves after their disastrous appointment of Selles as a head coach before there was a suitable structure around him.
Betti's was reeling from his mate Wilder being sacked and was probably obstructive ,
plus neither of them knew the first thing about what recruitment was needed , hence the tragic summer 25 window.
So CoH are now "dead in the water" , having made the accountant Bettis the only UK based Director
And
made Wilder virtually unsackable.
It would take an atomic bomb to shift those two now.
And yet it's clear to me that my club will make no lasting progress - based on a better management structure - until we're shot of the pair of them.
They can run it like they own the shop , fill it up with Wilder's old pals and to hell with how good they are (eg Hoyland at recruitment) or whether half the team aren't really fit enough for professional football.
This coming window will be very revealing - we'll get an idea from the ins but more importantly from the outs - where we sit on the spectrum from yo-yo club , all the way down to relegation fodder
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YES Blade said:
I don’t see how the mood is going to really improve now the season is over. It’s going to be a bit apathetic until the summer.
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Because our fan base for some reason seems to have changed from supporting the club to entitled children stomping their feet.

I'm yet to meet a United fan that thinks this squad is capable winning the play offs let alone compete in the PL, the fans who all agree for now we're a Championship club yet they're all throwing toys out that we aren't competing for promotion with the squad we know wouldn't fair well at all.

We can spend hours and days analysing what Wilder says in his interviews, analysing his stats or what coat he's wearing for what matches and how many wins that coat generated but the simple fact of our season is a few months ago there was alot of worry about being in a relegation battle and we're now pissed off that we're just shy of play offs. I'd say considering the shit start we had to this season that's not a bad turnaround.

We need to fucking relax a bit. I would love United to be amongst the play offs and competing for promotion and yes, the club does have a weird air about it at the moment, the squad energy is a little weird but that doesn't mean people should stop giving a shit.

This isn't our worst spell by a country mile. Look at those poor bastards across the city and despite all the facts they're still confident they'll be singing about Boxing day at the Bernabéu in a couple seasons
 
Nick Jansky said:
I’ve seen a few comments to the effect that Wilder was the only person who could have possibly turned around the Selles shitshow. A ridiculous notion that bears no scrutiny whatsoever. Last night we were up against a manager who could have done exactly that. Other clubs find them all the time. We could too.

The club’s carrying far too much baggage right now and at some point it needs a fundamental reset. But I’m not holding my breath. As I said in another thread, the appointment of Selles followed by a panicked about face has set us back years.
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Completely agree.The mistake wasn’t sacking Chris Wilder it was installing Selles and like you say it’s set us back in terms of competing for top two in the championship for the foreseeable future.The problem we’ve got which has been mentioned in another post is that the owners don’t seem to have any football knowledge to be able to reset the club and employ a manager who can move us forward from the Chris Wilder era which is worrying long term.CW has done a great job in steering us away from relegation but,as he will know himself,we eventually need to move him on (maybe when his contract expires) and bring in for me someone with a different approach.
 
BocciaBlade said:
Completely agree.The mistake wasn’t sacking Chris Wilder it was installing Selles and like you say it’s set us back in terms of competing for top two in the championship for the foreseeable future.The problem we’ve got which has been mentioned in another post is that the owners don’t seem to have any football knowledge to be able to reset the club and employ a manager who can move us forward from the Chris Wilder era which is worrying long term.CW has done a great job in steering us away from relegation but,as he will know himself,we eventually need to move him on (maybe when his contract expires) and bring in for me someone with a different approach.
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Yep, and support them with proper infrastructure, particularly scouting and recruitment that are fit for purpose.
 
One thing i dont get with Wilder is why he focuses so much on fan reaction in so many of his interviews I listened to his post match interview following the Birmingham game on BBC Sounds and I think it was Giddings asked him for his take on the match and he said well deserved then he went into a tirade about the negativity of the fans, went back to the QPR game and how we worked hard to get the result. Then moved onto West Brom then Norwich. Re the latter he went on and on about the culture of the club, the running stats, the duel stats, yada yada yada, we are not turning it in etc, all nothing to do with Saturdays game. After about 4 mins Giddings said on to today then !

Chris a piece of advice, ignore the fans, you are wasting way too much emotional energy on us.
 
Last season we were minutes away from promotion so our self entitled fan base cry "Wilder out" and get their wish.

This season after selling some decent players and recruiting dross, CW is reappointed and saves us from relegation
So our fans again decide let's sack CW.

The days of Wilson, Clough and Adkins, oh and Javanovich and Selles are all dismissed from memory to be replaced by another fairytale of let's get a new manager (anybody but Wilder)

FFS What a self entitled set of "Knowall knowsnowts" some of our fans are
 



Flumps said:
Because our fan base for some reason seems to have changed from supporting the club to entitled children stomping their feet.
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Toxic Toddlers are certainly the voices amplified by anti-social media, which is all about attention.

Attention-seeking, foot-stamping and temper-tantrums are rewarded with the attention being sought so we get more foot-stamping and temper-tantrums and the whole things spirals. It's an ugly doom loop.

To some extent it is the job of local journalists to filter out the foot-stamping and pick out justified questions; I think they might have got this wrong in recent interviews with Wilder, misrepresenting loud negative voices for numerous negative voices.

Looking through discussions on here there's a handful of Toxic Toddlers hell bent on screaming and wailing every time they don't get their own way - likely because their parents never taught them the benefits of delayed gratification - but for the most part there are balanced opinions.

I do wonder what the ratio of sane : insane is in the fanbase - and in society in general.

It may be better than we think.
 
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