Kalvin Philips

[Blade_In_Sydney]

Him and rothwell not bothered about. I read Phillips was in tears, I don’t care, it’s performative. Maybe he’s sad because he hasn’t played much recently and is desperate. That does not endear me to him.

For what it’s worth, he looked decent the first half. Not spectacular. I don’t want players coming here thinking I’ll get fit for six months and a better move.

I was disappointed at the FAB meeting with Betts when the DoF question was put to him. His response was dismissive when he is not a football man. Why are we reportedly paying £45k per week for a defensive midfielder when we have, theoretically, nine players who can play CM (I’m including Shackleton which is unfair as he’s not registered, but at the same time we’ve been paying him for two years so is it unfair to expect him to play a little bit of football?)

A football man could push back and say no to the manager. Holding was the highest paid player last season, yet wilder continued to play Robinson. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad wilder is back and I did not want him sacked, but I think he is wasteful when he is given money.

That second half performance was as bad as West Brom away. We were lackadaisical and sloppy and not in first gear. Phillips was deservedly sent off. Even with ten men and them, fighting against relegation (in theory), we should have been comfortable. But we really weren’t.

Wow. Surely, there must be something you’re marginally positive about.

 

[BadgersBigToe]

Kalvin Phillips

So that’s the problem, we bought the fake Turkey version ‘Calvin Phillips’

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'd be more worried about a retrospective red card for Hamer than if a tackle with the studs showing to another players knee is a red or not.

The bad smell returns!

 

[ForgeBlade]

At the time, and for the rest of the day, I was fuming about the red for Phillips.

Having now seen it back, multiple times, it does look like he had an extra little "lunge" at the end of the follow through. It was unnecessary, and stupid, and it probably cost us the best chance we'll ever get to give them a proper spanking. 2 up after 20 mins, cruising, outclassing them in every department, then he does that.

That said, Ingelsson is a diving, cheating twat. Sprinted back on the pitch a minute later, despite going down like he's been shot. Cheating, plain and simple.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I’m trying not to put too much hope on the shoulders of Jairo, as he deserves a game or two to get back to match fitness. But I’ve come to the conclusion that even when Blaster does get back to his old self…Him and Sydie are too similar to play together in the middle of the park. Although Sydie did have a good game against the pigs…Soumare! Yes, Soumare was a breath of fresh air when he came on. I know he’s a bit raw, but he added the combative element we were lacking in midfield.

 

[Bladedog]

Whichever way you look at it..there is no getting away from the fact that when we're on a comfortable position one of our brain dead players decides to make it a lot more uncomfortable.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

fact that when we're on a comfortable position one of our brain dead players decides to make it a lot more uncomfortable.

That comment says so much more about your view of the team you support than the incident itself.

 

[Keen Blade]

The laws of the game don’t count for winning the ball, a direct free kick can be given for amongst other things, tackles or challenges

The red card comes into play if the referee deems the player has used excessive force. Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent. Not the greatest angle on the screenshot from the Sky clip but the ball has long gone from the initial tackle and the follow through is high with studs up and excessive force. The referee had a good view of it too. If that was against us we would have been calling for the red to be fair, Phillips could have easily snapped the ankle it wasn’t a nice challenge.

But it wasn't a challenge - that's the whole issue - a challenge is on an opponent who has at least some control over the ball - this opponent has lost the race to claim a loose ball and then turned his body sideways to block Kalvins clearance - Kalvin has cleared the ball with decent force to get it up the pitch and the opponent deliberately put himself in the way of Kalvin's already moving leg - that's his own stupid risk - it's a coming together of 2 grown men - well , one man and one cheating pussy - not even a foul , never mind a red - ref fell for the cheating pussy's "squeals like a pig" - ridiculous decision - almost cost us the points - put it in the context of them getting SEVEN bookings to our ONE and you'll see who the dirty cloggers were - yet again , a ref fails to "feel the game" , as Wilder so correctly expressed it a few weeks ago.

 

[Bladedog]

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That comment says so much more about your view of the team you support than the incident itself.

That comment says so much more about your view of the team you support than the incident itself.

It annoys and frustrates me that we,re coasting at 2-0..yet we contrive to give the referee a decision to make..im greedy..I want 4 or 5 nil..the opportunity to put boxing day to bed was there..happy we relegated them though.

 

[Bladeloyal]

I

It annoys and frustrates me that we,re coasting at 2-0..yet we contrive to give the referee a decision to make..im greedy..I want 4 or 5 nil..the opportunity to put boxing day to bed was there..happy we relegated them though.

Think boxing day will never be mentioned again , we made history

 

[Bladedog]

Think boxing day will never be mentioned again , we made history

True.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

I don't doubt what the laws of the game say, but if you've ever kicked a ball with any power, it's natural that your foot will continue in it's trajectory. You cannot retract it instantaneously at the moment your foot strikes the ball and that's all Phillips does....

In football, golf, tennis, whatever, players are TAUGHT to follow through to complete the shot for maximum control or power.
That's why Coutts leg got broken at Burton.
If he could have prevented it by stopping his leg after shooting he would have.

 

[ATL Recs]

I didn't think it was a red card at the time and having seen it again I still don't. He wins the ball by kicking the ball and his foot is still in the air from that action when Ingelsson runs into him. It's not as if Ingelsson was stood still and Phillips went through him, he ran into Phillips as he kicked the ball so I don't know how Phillips is supposed to move his foot out of the way in time.
On the other hand, how did Palmer not even get a yellow card, despite several yellow card challenges?

People judging Phillips on less than 2 full games is ridiculous. For the record I thought he was playing well before the sending off.

Agree Phillips will be an asset and looked comfortable but the red my reaction at the time was no way a red but having looked at it back it was a red as the laws of the game dictate in today’s ( cough) physical game

 

[Wards]

I know some fans are saying he isn't that mobile and doesn't get around as much as they'd hoped but if you watch him he's almost always makes himself available for a pass. Just nice little movements here and there that seem to give us an extra man in there at times. The main problem we had yesterday was that he and Peck were both doing the same thing - both of them were playing on the toes of the centre halves at times. He also looks incredibly robust in a physical sense, almost Vini Souza-like in many respects. I hope we get to see a lot more of him but he let us down a bit yesterday - these things happen though and no major damage done.

 

[LondonBlade89]

I know some fans are saying he isn't that mobile and doesn't get around as much as they'd hoped but if you watch him he's almost always makes himself available for a pass. Just nice little movements here and there that seem to give us an extra man in there at times. The main problem we had yesterday was that he and Peck were both doing the same thing - almost both of them were playing on the toes of the centre halves. He also looks incredibly robust in a physical sense, almost Vini Souza-like in many respects. I hope we get to see a lot more of him but he let us down a bit yesterday - these things happen though and no major damage done.

Completely agree with all of this. Find the criticism of the way Phillips played quite baffling to be honest. I don’t know if people need to reset expectations on him.

Our biggest issue in central midfield is often balance. Jairo can partner everyone because he breaks up play and keeps it simple. It’s like he is saying to the other CM don’t worry about any of this, I’ve got it covered. Phillips can play a similar role. And tbh what you lose in Jairo’s tenacity and ability to read a game defensively when he doesn’t play you gain in Phillips’ passing range. It’s a real shame that Phillips is going to miss three games because he looks nowhere near 100% and is still making a difference. That’s the sign of a good player for me.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

The reason it ‘looks’ bad is because of the parts of the body that connect. Any other part of KP’s body and it’s deemed a foul on him. Their players leg made contact with KP after KP had played the ball. Because their player made contact with his studs it immediately looks - to stupid people - like KP has studded him. He didn’t. It wasn’t a tackle. KP played a pass/clearance and was then caught by their man.

If anyone needs any more advice on football-related matters just give me a shout.

 

[Wards]

Just to elaborate on my point above - it worked great at times having Phillips drop into the backline yesterday. In essence it allowed us to go 3 at the back in possession, allowing Burrows to bomb on and for Peck to be the player holding the middle. What would make this more effective would be if Seriki had the ability to play a little more centrally when the ball is out left to give us another man in there if we lose it - that said, I don't think he's got that in his locker. City used this with Walker and Cancelo very effectively. Against them lot it was fine because they were awful but against a good team I think we'd be left exposed unless Phillips can step back into the middle very quickly.

 

[brownblade]

Not harsh at all. You can’t follow through and take a player out at the knee. It’s not 1993 anymore. He knew what he was doing and deserved the red card. Very stupid from an experienced player.

I don't think he did this at all. I think he just swings his foot, in what I'm going to call "kicking the ball". 2026.

 

[Balham]

Phillips suffered from the modern football emphasis on refereeing by outcome rather than action. I've just said it in the shoutbox but I think Phillips saw an opportunity to catch Ingelsson to get a bit of retribution for the numerous fouls committed by Wednesday's talisman, particularly the nasty one on O'Hare. I just have a feeling that given he's spent the past three years training with Rodri, Bernardo Silva and Phil Foden, Phillips isn't used to the snail-like pace of carthorse League One footballers like Ingelsson and as a result he caught him later and higher than he meant to with his studs rather than his instep.

I could possibly be completely overthinking it.

 

[Black Cloud]

I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else, im sure it’s been pointed out, but it’s so obvious he doesn’t want to be here.

In all his interviews his tone is so uninspiring and literally EVERY interview mentions how he came here cos its ‘nice to be close to home’.

an uninspired and uninspiring signing in my opinion. As we are most likely to finish half way up, what was the point of spending all this money in CDM for 6 months? Bizarre

Good post this and echos my thoughts also….he's like a very slow, totally unfit, past it, Kalvin Philips type….and CW thinks he’s great….unbelievable

 

[LBA_Blade]

But it wasn't a challenge - that's the whole issue - a challenge is on an opponent who has at least some control over the ball - this opponent has lost the race to claim a loose ball and then turned his body sideways to block Kalvins clearance - Kalvin has cleared the ball with decent force to get it up the pitch and the opponent deliberately put himself in the way of Kalvin's already moving leg - that's his own stupid risk - it's a coming together of 2 grown men - well , one man and one cheating pussy - not even a foul , never mind a red - ref fell for the cheating pussy's "squeals like a pig" - ridiculous decision - almost cost us the points - put it in the context of them getting SEVEN bookings to our ONE and you'll see who the dirty cloggers were - yet again , a ref fails to "feel the game" , as Wilder so correctly expressed it a few weeks ago.

Let’s be honest just like Wilder was screaming hands in the air for the 2nd yellow, if that type of challenge would have happened to us, we would have been screaming for a red too. It’s not 1980s Sunday league anymore, and player safety is paramount over leaving a foot in. I think Wilder gave the best view point in the post match presser summing up saying that Phillips by not playing too many minutes recently was a bit rusty and it was mistimed tackle (/challenge).
The other main quote by Wilder was "We gave them that opportunity with the decision Kalvin made, you can't say anything other than it's a red”.
The other yellow cards aren’t relevant to this action by Phillips, he needs to hold his hands up and learn from it, you can’t get away with putting studs up anymore for the right reasons too

 

[Champagneblade]

Upon reflection I’m beginning to think it’s just one of those things.

Very similar to Robbo getting a red against Newcastle.

Gets first to the ball, clears it fully then the opponent, who is miles late, gets clattered with the inevitable follow through.

Now it’s very hard to confirm intent by a player to follow through and harm their opposite number. But it’s also hard to advise what Phillips or Robbo are actually supposed to do. At the point they clear the ball they are the winner of the duel to get to the ball. Once you commit to putting your foot through the ball there is a certain inevitability about your foot continuing. Then you add to the fact the opponent comes in from the side not head on and it’s very difficult to avoid.

If that’s a red card due to the outcome as Balham mentioned then on occasion each team is occasionally going to suffer.

All I know is that I’ve seen Lundstram win the ball, Robbo do it and now Phillips and they’ve all seen red. Conversely I don’t recall a single opposition player being pulled up for it!

 

[CornwallBlade]

I'd be more worried about a retrospective red card for Hamer than if a tackle with the studs showing to another players knee is a red or not.

Absolutely this. We said at the time that if VAR was in use he was gone

 

[LBA_Blade]

Upon reflection I’m beginning to think it’s just one of those things.

Very similar to Robbo getting a red against Newcastle.

Gets first to the ball, clears it fully then the opponent, who is miles late, gets clattered with the inevitable follow through.

Now it’s very hard to confirm intent by a player to follow through and harm their opposite number. But it’s also hard to advise what Phillips or Robbo are actually supposed to do. At the point they clear the ball they are the winner of the duel to get to the ball. Once you commit to putting your foot through the ball there is a certain inevitability about your foot continuing. Then you add to the fact the opponent comes in from the side not head on and it’s very difficult to avoid.

If that’s a red card due to the outcome as Balham mentioned then on occasion each team is occasionally going to suffer.

All I know is that I’ve seen Lundstram win the ball, Robbo do it and now Phillips and they’ve all seen red. Conversely I don’t recall a single opposition player being pulled up for it!

Personally I don’t think there was any intent but as your rightly say it was a mistimed follow through and these days player safety comes first and you can’t get away with stuff like that

 

[CornwallBlade]

Phillips suffered from the modern football emphasis on refereeing by outcome rather than action. I've just said it in the shoutbox but I think Phillips saw an opportunity to catch Ingelsson to get a bit of retribution for the numerous fouls committed by Wednesday's talisman, particularly the nasty one on O'Hare. I just have a feeling that given he's spent the past three years training with Rodri, Bernardo Silva and Phil Foden, Phillips isn't used to the snail-like pace of carthorse League One footballers like Ingelsson and as a result he caught him later and higher than he meant to with his studs rather than his instep.

I could possibly be completely overthinking it.

Good point, also, in the PL the other player would have pulled out of it - they don’t do 50:50 balls

 

[Balham]

Absolutely this. We said at the time that if VAR was in use he was gone

I had a clear view of that from the upper tier. Hamer was extremely fortunate that either the referee took a lenient view or didn't see it. If it's the latter then he may still be in trouble. As an aside, it was obvious from the first minute that Wednesday were going to target Hamer to try and get a reaction. It's a bit disappointing that he walked straight into the trap.

 

[MobileBlade]

The second goal. Started with Phillips winning the ball in midfield. 13 passes later, of which three each came from Phillips and Peck we score.

 

[Keen Blade]

Completely agree with all of this. Find the criticism of the way Phillips played quite baffling to be honest. I don’t know if people need to reset expectations on him.

Our biggest issue in central midfield is often balance. Jairo can partner everyone because he breaks up play and keeps it simple. It’s like he is saying to the other CM don’t worry about any of this, I’ve got it covered. Phillips can play a similar role. And tbh what you lose in Jairo’s tenacity and ability to read a game defensively when he doesn’t play you gain in Phillips’ passing range. It’s a real shame that Phillips is going to miss three games because he looks nowhere near 100% and is still making a difference. That’s the sign of a good player for me.

We've looked much better with him than without - it's that simple

 

[Keen Blade]

Let’s be honest just like Wilder was screaming hands in the air for the 2nd yellow, if that type of challenge would have happened to us, we would have been screaming for a red too. It’s not 1980s Sunday league anymore, and player safety is paramount over leaving a foot in. I think Wilder gave the best view point in the post match presser summing up saying that Phillips by not playing too many minutes recently was a bit rusty and it was mistimed tackle (/challenge).
The other main quote by Wilder was "We gave them that opportunity with the decision Kalvin made, you can't say anything other than it's a red”.
The other yellow cards aren’t relevant to this action by Phillips, he needs to hold his hands up and learn from it, you can’t get away with putting studs up anymore for the right reasons too

Wilder agreeing with the red is probably strategic coz his reputation with refs needs improving.
It's not a tackle , it's not a foul , it's a pussy putting himself in the way of a clearance.
KP is not responsible for where the pussy chooses to put himself when he's clearly lost the race for the ball.
The ball which KP clears easily , before his unavoidable follow-through catches the pussy.
Who rolls around like an idiot , knowing that the ref might make a decision on the outcome , not the action.
And , having had his leg broken and dislocated at the knee , is happily racing around a minute later.
FFS , ref the action , not the play acted outcome.
It's perfectly possible for extremely serious injuries - I mean real injuries , not fake - to occur without foul play.

 

[Nonamedhorse]

Just listened to that dick Andy Goldstein on talksport, saying on live radio that it was a disgusting challenge that was ‘late’ and ‘caught him on the foot’. He hasn’t watched it, has he?