CONFIRMED Mark McGuinness - 4 year contract

[metalblade]

Must have been scouted by David Blunkett

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I think if Wilder stays beyond the summer McGuiness and Chong will be moved on.

They're not walking away from 4 year deals at this club. I'll be shocked if we're not stuck with them.

Who's picking up that tab?

 

[Houston_Blade]

They're not walking away from 4 year deals at this club. I'll be shocked if we're not stuck with them.

Who's picking up that tab?

If we get someone to cover half their contracts for the remaining 3 years and have to pay them half ourselves we’ll have swum the channel.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The summer window was an expensive clusterfuc k of epic proportions. The damage is extensive and in the case of Mcguinness, Matos Chong and the ai signings baked in. I'm just relieved we weren't in the market for more permanents. We should be actively trying to offload.

 

[Bladedog]

Robinson was a better CB - yes, he had a mistake in him, but more competent.

McGuniess would be ok next to a Tanganga. Or a Bindon, someone with recovery pace - given he's slow as anything.

Mee is a Prem experienced defender and on his day VERY good, even at 35. However he needs pace next to him.

They can't play together because it's then inviting anybody with pace the opportunity...

Disagree on mcguiness..he,s league one at best.

 

[ancientblade]

Disagree on mcguiness..he,s league one at best.

spot on im not even sure hes league 1 more like league 2 as ive put on another couple of threads 6/7 fringe players need moving on somehow chong is the worst of em hasnt got a clue needs moving on to sunday league football in graves park

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Serious questions need raising regarding the recruitment team .. I can’t think of a worse window … McGuiness , Chong & Matos on permanents .. Godfrey , Ogbene , Barry on loans .. the 3 AI amigos .. you couldn’t make one decent footballer out of the 9 of em … As for the first 3 no one’s gonna be banging on our door to take them off our hands & they’re on long contracts

 

[joe casey]

Disagree on mcguiness..he,s league one at best.

Wednesday fans loved him. I realise now that was in League 1 - which is probably his level. He's only ever going to be passable in the champ with an athletic CB next to him to make up for his many misgivings. Putting Mee next to him was a recipe for disaster.

 

[Badger Blade]

Mee was not his usual standard … but he was greatly hindered by constantly covering for Mcguiness who was constantly pulled out of position and locks the pace to recover

No coincidence that once we went to a back four, results suddenly picked up when Tanganga and Mee weren't having to babysit him and were able to concentrate on the game at hand.

 

[Gimli]

It says a lot that the two best transfers we made this season have arguably* been the two players who were free agents months into the season.


*Tanganga is the stand out signing of the horrendous bunch made in the summer.

 

[Jan Age]

No coincidence that once we went to a back four, results suddenly picked up when Tanganga and Mee weren't having to babysit him and were able to concentrate on the game at hand.

Exactly mate … one player can make those around then look bad … at times yesterday Mee was playing both side of CD on his own .. Mcguiness clueless and a league 1 player at best

 

[Slim Man]

No coincidence that once we went to a back four, results suddenly picked up when Tanganga and Mee weren't having to babysit him and were able to concentrate on the game at hand.

Yeah. I'll stick up for Mee yesterday on that basis alone.

This clown is the worst centre half we've had since Neill Collins.

 

[Slim Man]

I'm barely disagreeing, but Mee was out with a fucking hand injury. He was still fit and training normally, if not match fit, which makes that performance even more bizarre. It was so bad I wonder what our pecking order is now: Tanganga, Bindon, McGuinness, Mee?

McGuiness over Mee, do fuck off

 

[Roygbiv]

I'm stunned there are still centre backs like him around in the top 2 leagues. He's a proper throwback to an 80/90s kick it and head it centre half. He's so uncomfortable on the ball it's hard to watch.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I still can't believe Luton paid £10m for him. He's the most basic of head it/kick it CBs.

For United to take him (and Chong) off their hands, for actual money should see somebody have their responsibility for signings permanently removed

The reliance on certain agents and 'contacts' for players isn't sustainable

 

[JD88]

Not anticipating him leaving this window but imagine a big turnover in the squad come the summer. His name should be near the top of the ones to go. Horrific panic signing who is at very best mid table league 1

 

[AWetFlannel]

McGuiness over Mee, do fuck off

Were you at the game?

 

[ancientblade]

Not anticipating him leaving this window but imagine a big turnover in the squad come the summer. His name should be near the top of the ones to go. Horrific panic signing who is at very best mid table league 1

has to be a big turnover this summer and wilder and all united fans know it mcguinness and chong have to be 2 of the worst signings weve ever made for me their both league 1 level if that we need 8 moving on in the summer and 6 good championship players to come in

 

[LBA_Blade]

Were you at the game?

Yes and Mee doing 2 CB jobs and bedding in a new RB along with an out of sorts LB at the age of 36 isn't the greatest! Along with a keeper that doesn't command his box, although collectively poor you can only do so much.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Yes and Mee doing 2 CB jobs and bedding in a new RB along with an out of sorts LB at the age of 36 isn't the greatest! Along with a keeper that doesn't command his box, although collectively poor you can only do so much.

Got no problem with all that context. I only pointed out that he was absolutely terrible, the worst of the lot, and it made me wonder if that's going to be his performance level going forward.

 

[LBA_Blade]

has to be a big turnover this summer and wilder and all united fans know it mcguinness and chong have to be 2 of the worst signings weve ever made for me their both league 1 level if that we need 8 moving on in the summer and 6 good championship players to come in

I think we will be losing Mee, Ings, Davies x 2 (both out of contract), probably loan out Grbić for last season of his deal if we can't get a fee, Mcguinness, Chong, Soumare, Ogbene, Hoever and Bindon back to parent clubs, then depending on development Faxon and One need minutes along with Zätterström. That leaves us very short on keepers (1) DM's and in general defenders and a strikers too. So we are looking at a huge summer.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Got no problem with all that context. I only pointed out that he was absolutely terrible, the worst of the lot, and it made me wonder if that's going to be his performance level going forward.

Personally I don't think so, alongside Tanganga, Seriki and McCallum, I think Mee is solid in that back 4 and has the experience to manage a game and defence especially when we have Riedewald sat in front

 

[Slim Man]

Were you at the game?

Yes, I'm not having anyone tell me they'd prefer McGuiness over Mee, despite how poor he was yesterday. He was playing really well next to Tanganga before his injury. What's more, Tanganga looked more and more confident not having to babysit captain clown.

 

[sufc323]

I can't believe he's only 25, he runs like he's at least 40

 

[LBA_Blade]

I can't believe he's only 25, he runs like he's at least 40

That's the bit that confuses me with him, he is at an age that really he should be at least knowing his bar/playing level but I can't understand why we brought him in to the club and what he offers. If we bought Bindon in on a perm aged 20 you think fair enough he has a few years to develop maybe even out on loan but aged 25 probably only has 10 years left career wise.

 

[Champagneblade]

Mark McGuiness hasn't made many ridiculous errors, like the ones Robinson, Nyworthy, McEvely etc. became synonymous with, but I think he stands out as one of the most obviously lower league centre halves I've seen at the Lane. He just isn't Championship standard and doesn't have any attributes that are of that standard.

He’s the modern day Mark Foran. Makes Darren Carr look like Franco Baresi.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Yes, I'm not having anyone tell me they'd prefer McGuiness over Mee, despite how poor he was yesterday. He was playing really well next to Tanganga before his injury. What's more, Tanganga looked more and more confident not having to babysit captain clown.

I don't think he was playing as well as others do next to Tanganga. He was fairly solid for a short spell.

He's obviously been a better player than McGuinness, but at his age and after a performance like that I "wondered" if I'd choose him over McGuinness if I needed to start one next week. It was a really, really bad performance, much worse than anyone else on the pitch imo. That's all.

 

[Bladesman]

He is a head it, kick it, tackle defender. He needs a athletic runner alongside him such as a Tanganga. If he doesn't win first contact then he has someone to cover anyone getting beyond the defence.

Pairing him with a 35/36 year old Ben Mee even though it was Mansfield at home yesterday was not a wise move. You have paired a slow defender with someone even slower that relies on their positional sense.

Then you are relying on the right and left backs to help who will likely be further up the pitch.

That said should we keep him? Not really, as others have said someone his age should be quicker than he is. You can get a similar type of player, similar age but can still win the aerial duals.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

It's honestly like nobody at the club had actually watched him before signing

I could see within his first 45 minutes here that he was nobody to justify any sizeable spend on. No particular strengths. A nothing player

The club must have been enticed in by a combination of desperation (main ingredient) and some very selective stats taken out of context

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Personally I don't think so, alongside Tanganga, Seriki and McCallum, I think Mee is solid in that back 4 and has the experience to manage a game and defence especially when we have Riedewald sat in front

I haven't seen our defence have many great games.

They've occasionally looked comfortable in games we've dominated, but when put under any sort of pressure they crumble.

Despite signing half a dozen CBs, I haven't rated the look of any of them over a period of games - even Tanganga.
I do think Tanganga has the potential to play much better but he needs a better partner next to him (someone akin to Souttar).