A few observations from the stats (Baggies)

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A few observations from the stats:

Team Observations;
  • Shape & Approach: Wilder set up in a flexible 4–4–2 / 4–2–2–2 structure in possession. Hamer was nominally on the left but had license to roam, while Soumaré and Riedewald formed the double pivot behind the strike partnership of Bamford and Campbell. Out of possession, we aimed for a compact mid-block, triggering the press on poor WBA touches or square passes.
  • Chance Quality (xG): WBA created the significantly better moments with xG 2.53 v 1.05. Our best chances were generated in transition rather than sustained pressure. WBA also edged the Expected Assists (xA), 1.35 v 1.23.
  • Territorial Balance: We actually edged the overall possession (approximately 51%) and recorded more final third touches inside the opposition box (27 to 24). Passing volume was similar (436 vs. 392). However, West Brom successfully restricted United to the outside lanes, forcing weak crosses instead of central combinations.
Defence: The quick retreat of the defensive line and resulting gaps after the 50th minute proved decisive. We made 41 clearances (vs WBA 32), indicating they were absorbing significant second-half pressure. We edged the aerial duel battle 23 v 19, highlighting strong first contact, particularly from the centre-backs. McGuinness won 6 aerials and Tanganga won 5

McGuinness delivered a high volume of clearances (12) and strong aerial command, but his positioning for the opening goal and weakness for the second were catastrophic. Tanganga put in a defensive shift with 11 clearances and 5 aerials won, though a caution and one misjudged flight detracted from his score.

Set-Plays: WBA earned 8 corners to our 4. Cooper never looked confortable.

Midfield: The lack of central compactness allowed WBA to exploit the spaces between the lines: While the pivot's ball-winning was occasionally ok (Soumaré 3 tackles, Hamer 2 tackles and 2 interceptions), the lack of compactness allowed Grant and Price to drift into half-spaces, leaving the edge of the box vulnerable for the second goal.

Distribution & Turnover: The overall team pass accuracy was 75.9% v 78.1% but when while we moved the ball forward plenty (168 forward passes v WBA 151), the central tempo was lost when WBA raised the press.

Forwards: Forward players struggled with distribution accuracy, indicating turnovers in dangerous areas:, especially Bamford with very low pass accuracy of 35.7% indicating frequent failed hold-up or distribution. Campbell was top of key passes with 3 (next best Burrows with 2). Cannon attempted 3 passes, with 1 successful.

Creativity & Chance Construction: The reliance on wide play limited the creation of high-value central chances. We registered 11 shots (4 on target) compared to WBA's 16 (5 on target). Our shot accuracy was 36.4% v WBA 31.3%, but WBA’s chances were higher value, as reflected in the xG. WBA’s compact 4-2-3-1 successfully squeezed the middle, forcing United to cross. United attempted 24 crosses, only 7 successful, which yielded limited high-value outcomes.

Strategy:The rapid line depth increase after the 50th minute stretched the team and exposed the FB–CB seams and the zone atop the box. A key focus is holding a narrower weak-side full-back and a staggered pivot to contest second phases. The lack of a deep playmaker meant the team defaulted to wide progression. Perhaps we need to consider rotating Hamer inward earlier, or deploying Arblaster sooner, to help the central buildup.

We showed enough possession and box presence to stay competitive, but WBA’s ability to generate higher-value chances and the lack of line/spacing management after the 50th minute proved decisive.

We got what we deserved. Nothing

UTB
 



A few observations from the stats:

Team Observations;
  • Shape & Approach: Wilder set up in a flexible 4–4–2 / 4–2–2–2 structure in possession. Hamer was nominally on the left but had license to roam, while Soumaré and Riedewald formed the double pivot behind the strike partnership of Bamford and Campbell. Out of possession, we aimed for a compact mid-block, triggering the press on poor WBA touches or square passes.
  • Chance Quality (xG): WBA created the significantly better moments with xG 2.53 v 1.05. Our best chances were generated in transition rather than sustained pressure. WBA also edged the Expected Assists (xA), 1.35 v 1.23.
  • Territorial Balance: We actually edged the overall possession (approximately 51%) and recorded more final third touches inside the opposition box (27 to 24). Passing volume was similar (436 vs. 392). However, West Brom successfully restricted United to the outside lanes, forcing weak crosses instead of central combinations.
Defence: The quick retreat of the defensive line and resulting gaps after the 50th minute proved decisive. We made 41 clearances (vs WBA 32), indicating they were absorbing significant second-half pressure. We edged the aerial duel battle 23 v 19, highlighting strong first contact, particularly from the centre-backs. McGuinness won 6 aerials and Tanganga won 5

McGuinness delivered a high volume of clearances (12) and strong aerial command, but his positioning for the opening goal and weakness for the second were catastrophic. Tanganga put in a defensive shift with 11 clearances and 5 aerials won, though a caution and one misjudged flight detracted from his score.

Set-Plays: WBA earned 8 corners to our 4. Cooper never looked confortable.

Midfield: The lack of central compactness allowed WBA to exploit the spaces between the lines: While the pivot's ball-winning was occasionally ok (Soumaré 3 tackles, Hamer 2 tackles and 2 interceptions), the lack of compactness allowed Grant and Price to drift into half-spaces, leaving the edge of the box vulnerable for the second goal.

Distribution & Turnover: The overall team pass accuracy was 75.9% v 78.1% but when while we moved the ball forward plenty (168 forward passes v WBA 151), the central tempo was lost when WBA raised the press.

Forwards: Forward players struggled with distribution accuracy, indicating turnovers in dangerous areas:, especially Bamford with very low pass accuracy of 35.7% indicating frequent failed hold-up or distribution. Campbell was top of key passes with 3 (next best Burrows with 2). Cannon attempted 3 passes, with 1 successful.

Creativity & Chance Construction: The reliance on wide play limited the creation of high-value central chances. We registered 11 shots (4 on target) compared to WBA's 16 (5 on target). Our shot accuracy was 36.4% v WBA 31.3%, but WBA’s chances were higher value, as reflected in the xG. WBA’s compact 4-2-3-1 successfully squeezed the middle, forcing United to cross. United attempted 24 crosses, only 7 successful, which yielded limited high-value outcomes.

Strategy:The rapid line depth increase after the 50th minute stretched the team and exposed the FB–CB seams and the zone atop the box. A key focus is holding a narrower weak-side full-back and a staggered pivot to contest second phases. The lack of a deep playmaker meant the team defaulted to wide progression. Perhaps we need to consider rotating Hamer inward earlier, or deploying Arblaster sooner, to help the central buildup.

We showed enough possession and box presence to stay competitive, but WBA’s ability to generate higher-value chances and the lack of line/spacing management after the 50th minute proved decisive.

We got what we deserved. Nothing

UTB
🤓 What is the fucking point of posts like this? XG this, rapid line depth that? This is just a ‘look at me post’ just a load of modern day footballing bullshit that means absolutely nothing to the average fan.
It’s just self promoting absolute waffle! Probably written by someone with a degree in sports science, who would struggle to do ten keepy uppys. Admittedly, I’ve had a drink, but really fuck off with this bollocks.
 
🤓 What is the fucking point of posts like this? XG this, rapid line depth that? This is just a ‘look at me post’ just a load of modern day footballing bullshit that means absolutely nothing to the average fan.
It’s just self promoting absolute waffle! Probably written by someone with a degree in sports science, who would struggle to do ten keepy uppys. Admittedly, I’ve had a drink, but really fuck off with this bollocks.
Loads of us enjoy it and get a lot from it, finding it insightful. We can tell from his interviews that Wilder also studies this sort of stuff. If you don’t like it, maybe don’t read it.
 
🤓 What is the fucking point of posts like this? XG this, rapid line depth that? This is just a ‘look at me post’ just a load of modern day footballing bullshit that means absolutely nothing to the average fan.
It’s just self promoting absolute waffle! Probably written by someone with a degree in sports science, who would struggle to do ten keepy uppys. Admittedly, I’ve had a drink, but really fuck off with this bollocks.
Yeah it's you that's right and not a multi billion pound industry that uses stats with success
 
I had rashly assumed the purpose of a post is for it to be read by others? And there is a certain irony that the biggest “look at me” post I’ve seen for a while accuses another poster of just that.

For me I find the average Wilder is wank/is great posts depending purely on score line most wearisome but every poster is entitled to post whatever they wish, which is the beauty of this and similar sites.

Personally I always look out for four posts, Deadbat’s highly knowledgeable but subjective fans report, Roy’s entertaining and emotional gibberish from our opponents fans, Bergen with his tactical screenshots, and Coolblade’s objective stats based thoughts. All different, all informative.

So thanks to all posters, but especially those four. Keep it up.
 
Ha ha! I love this! Love the fact we can challenge each other, that we have differing perspectives. It’s what forums are all about.

But I particularly like the idea that I have a degree in sports science. When the reality is that I started supporting the Blades in the days of Woodward & Currie, with a drink or two in Darnal WMC afterwards, at a time when such degrees didn’t exist! it’s just that, whilst all stats need context and interpretation, I find an objective look sometimes provides a perspective which we can miss when viewing the game with our own inevitable human bias.

And 1889 is definitely right about one thing. I can’t do ten keepy uppies anymore. The knees won’t take it.

To be fair I have pushed the envelope a bit more over the past few weeks as to what I cover, so perhaps best to rein it in a bit.

Thanks to all, and UTB!
 
Ha ha! I love this! Love the fact we can challenge each other, that we have differing perspectives. It’s what forums are all about.

But I particularly like the idea that I have a degree in sports science. When the reality is that I started supporting the Blades in the days of Woodward & Currie, with a drink or two in Darnal WMC afterwards, at a time when such degrees didn’t exist! it’s just that, whilst all stats need context and interpretation, I find an objective look sometimes provides a perspective which we can miss when viewing the game with our own inevitable human bias.

And 1889 is definitely right about one thing. I can’t do ten keepy uppies anymore. The knees won’t take it.

To be fair I have pushed the envelope a bit more over the past few weeks as to what I cover, so perhaps best to rein it in a bit.

Thanks to all, and UTB!
Ignore that R -soil
Think your posts are brilliant and informative
And a welcome addition to the likes of Deadbat and Roygbiv
 
🤓 What is the fucking point of posts like this? XG this, rapid line depth that? This is just a ‘look at me post’ just a load of modern day footballing bullshit that means absolutely nothing to the average fan.
It’s just self promoting absolute waffle! Probably written by someone with a degree in sports science, who would struggle to do ten keepy uppys. Admittedly, I’ve had a drink, but really fuck off with this bollocks.

Hi Chris!
 
I took it as a compliment; maybe I am above average for once.
Or below average :-)
I must admit I did have a dilemma over whether to finish my post with 'us' or 'them'. I enjoy the Cool analysis, but have no idea what the 'rapid line depth increase' looks like.
 



Find it mad that people get so angry about data that every club in the country uses to analyse games. Wonder if people were so irate when shots on target were published in newspapers
Once I explained to a elder gentleman that xg is slightly more useful than shots on target they stopped complaining about it being nonsense and understood it's use
 
Once I explained to a elder gentleman that xg is slightly more useful than shots on target they stopped complaining about it being nonsense and understood it's use

XG is flawed, particularly when used over a short period, but it's the best model we have in terms of how many chances teams are creating and conceding. There's always outliers like Burnley last season but usually when the underlying numbers are suggesting you're over or under performing, the results will eventually catch up with the numbers
 
re possession, it seems to be a consistent theme this year that the better we are playing overall the lower % of possession we have. Seems counter-intuitive to me but it's pretty consistent. When we lost 5-0 at Ipswich we had 53% possession, when we tonked Stoke 4 nowt we had 39%.

The more of the ball we have, the less we seem to do with it.
 
re possession, it seems to be a consistent theme this year that the better we are playing overall the lower % of possession we have. Seems counter-intuitive to me but it's pretty consistent. When we lost 5-0 at Ipswich we had 53% possession, when we tonked Stoke 4 nowt we had 39%.

The more of the ball we have, the less we seem to do with it.
Penetrative possession is a lot better than defensive possession
 
Whilst I've no doubt stats tell us something, although analysis of stats over an individual or couple of games and looking at those to determine a direction of travel is a bit daft .

Ive not done the analysis but over the last 10 games or so weve looked more threatening, scored more and generally been a bit more solid.

Its a work in progress , some promising signs and one or 2 blips along the way .

The team haven't turned a corner by any means but have improved and possibly now have a bit of a template or framework for what's required to improve further .

I'll take that .
 
Ha ha! I love this! Love the fact we can challenge each other, that we have differing perspectives. It’s what forums are all about.

But I particularly like the idea that I have a degree in sports science. When the reality is that I started supporting the Blades in the days of Woodward & Currie, with a drink or two in Darnal WMC afterwards, at a time when such degrees didn’t exist! it’s just that, whilst all stats need context and interpretation, I find an objective look sometimes provides a perspective which we can miss when viewing the game with our own inevitable human bias.

And 1889 is definitely right about one thing. I can’t do ten keepy uppies anymore. The knees won’t take it.

To be fair I have pushed the envelope a bit more over the past few weeks as to what I cover, so perhaps best to rein it in a bit.

Thanks to all, and UTB!
Nah, keep in depth stuff coming, I've found it really insightful.

Let 1889 sup his 3 cans and kick off about a thread no one forced him to read through.
 
XG is flawed, particularly when used over a short period, but it's the best model we have in terms of how many chances teams are creating and conceding. There's always outliers like Burnley last season but usually when the underlying numbers are suggesting you're over or under performing, the results will eventually catch up with the numbers

Agreed, and the point is, that it is meant to be used over a long period.

Based on just an observation of today, it rains 100% of the time in Sheffield. Obviously this is nonesense and even annual weather averages, need several year's data, to be statistically valid.

People are welcome to ignore XG, but it paints an objective picture, that might otherwise be missed.
 
I'm not able to back this up with stats but my observations having watched the last 50 minutes of Friday's match:
  1. We really struggle to change the tide in matches. West Brom made a tactical tweak at half time, pushing Johnson and Grant higher to occupy the spaces between the four defenders/midfielders on each side. This, in turn, allowed those two to target Seriki and Burrows' defensive abilities (or lack of) and also stopped them getting forward to support Brooks/Chong on the right and Hamer/O'Hare on the left.

  2. Our substitutions seem to be pre-planned. Clock ticks to 60 mins...subs come on (CM & winger). Clock ticks to 70 mins...subs come on (winger & forward).

  3. West Brom noticably pressed Riedewald to stop him being as influential.

  4. Tanganga struggled on the left with a number of poor clearances leading to pressure

  5. Bringing Arblaster on cost us phyiscality and presence in central midfield, particularly as he was paired with Hamer for the final 20 minutes

  6. Hamer's flick to no-one which started the counter for the goal (think it was the 2nd but not entirely sure) was criminal.

  7. McGuinness's passing was poor. He may have ended with an accuracy of 88.5% but several of his seven misplaced passes (out of 61 in total) were simple passes into midfield which allowed West Brom to counter

  8. McGuinness also repeatedly passed the ball just behind Seriki, meaning the latter had to check his run. This might have still counted as a completed pass but it prevented us from progressing up the pitch.

  9. Stats based service whoscored.com put McGuinness as our best player (7.62!) followed by Soumaré (6.74) and Campbell (6.64). Cannon brought up the rear at 5.90, just behind Brooks (5.97) and Riedewald (6.04). Shows that stats don't always paint the full picture.

  10. That said, on the same measure West Brom had 8 players rated over 7.00 with Styles (7.98), Bielik (7.90), Heggebø (7.90), Grant (7.81) & Campbell (7.67) all outperforming everyone in red & white. Only Diakité of their starting XI scored lower than Soumaré for us.
 

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