Switching to 5-3-2

[Rodley]

I think it’s pretty inevitable we’ll end up with this formation come the end of the international break as we don’t have any orthodox fullbacks nor have proper wingers. I also think two up top is key.

If that’s the case, it does throw up one or two selection headaches:-

Who is the front two? I’d opt for Ings and Campbell, but tempted by Ings and Cannon.

Who are your wingbacks? Siriki and Burrows for me despite McCallum doing well at the weekend. Not sold on Ogbene as he looks to have lost that explosive pace.

Who are your midfield three? Peck, Davies and Hamer for me.

Be interested to hear others thoughts. UTB

 

[Chazzer]

I could never be tempted by Cannon, so it's got to be two of Campbell, Ings and One. Agree about Ogbene. Get Seriki starting regularly and he will really improve us down the right.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I think it’s pretty inevitable we’ll end up with this formation come the end of the international break as we don’t have any orthodox fullbacks nor have proper wingers. I also think two up top is key.

If that’s the case, it does throw up one or two selection headaches:-

Who is the front two? I’d opt for Ings and Campbell, but tempted by Ings and Cannon.

Who are your wingbacks? Siriki and Burrows for me despite McCallum doing well at the weekend. Not sold on Ogbene as he looks to have lost that explosive pace.

Who are your midfield three? Peck, Davies and Hamer for me.

Be interested to hear others thoughts. UTB

It really aught to have been inevitable for those that profess to “influence” what goes on out there on the grass for many a moon now !!!

The lack of understanding of this dynamic attacking formation is laughable tbh.

We chose to go down the “let’s have wingers” route. Flawed. Fundamentally flawed.

UTB

 

[Rodley]

I could never be tempted by Cannon, so it's got to be two of Campbell, Ings and One. Agree about Ogbene. Get Seriki starting regularly and he will really improve us down the right.

I think especially Campbell, like most of the squad, look way off in terms of fitness levels. For me you’ve got to hope Wilder gets these guys properly fit, but especially TC. You’ve got to wonder WTF Selles did over a whole preseason.

Agree on Siriki, he’s ready made for right wing back.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Cooper

Bindon Tanganga Mee

Seriki Hamer Davies Soumare McCallum

Ings Campbell

(McGuinness, Ogbene, Peck, Burrows and OHare need taking out of the 11 for a run of games)

 

[LBA_Blade]

I think especially Campbell, like most of the squad, look way off in terms of fitness levels. For me you’ve got to hope Wilder gets these guys properly fit, but especially TC. You’ve got to wonder WTF Selles did over a whole preseason.

Agree on Siriki, he’s ready made for right wing back.

52 days he had between being appointed as manager and the 1st game of the season, 7 days in Spain without any fixtures. 7 friendlies to look at players one which was in his mind to start was Anel who on the 5th Aug, 4 days before 1st game proper of the season is sold. Souza sold on 5th July. I am not saying he should have excuses however he didn't exactly get a good chance. In comparison to "Wilder Mk 1" he was appointed on 12 May 2016, we played our 1st game proper on 6th August that year giving Wilder 86 days with the squad, he lost 3 out of his 1st 4 matches with a point at home to Rochdale. A change in manager probably was the right choice but the wrong choice was made.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I'd go 5 3 2 when Ings is fit enough to start but not convinced we will as we didn't do it often last summer either

 

[Harry's Game]

5-3-2 or 4-4-2

The important thing is the. “2”.

 

[KMC-1889]

we don’t have anyone fit enough to play a 5-3-2 or 3-5-2, it ends up with the strikers isolated because everyone is in our own half and don’t have the athleticism to follow the ball up the pitch.

 

[Badger Blade]

Cooper

Bindon Tanganga Mee

Seriki Hamer Davies Soumare McCallum

Ings Campbell

(McGuinness, Ogbene, Peck, Burrows and OHare need taking out of the 11 for a run of games)

I'd be up for this, though I doubt Wilder will be up for dropping Peck or Burrows. Davies and Soumare could be a decent partnership and push Gus on to support Ings and Campbell.

Not sold at all on McGuinness so its time for Bindon to either prove he's up to the job or bugger off back to Forest - he's got some decent support next to him.

I'd only entertain Cannon if, by some fluke, we wanted to close a game out and whack balls down channels and bring O'Hare on to do some more chasing about with him.

 

[Rodley]

52 days he had between being appointed as manager and the 1st game of the season, 7 days in Spain without any fixtures. 7 friendlies to look at players one which was in his mind to start was Anel who on the 5th Aug, 4 days before 1st game proper of the season is sold. Souza sold on 5th July. I am not saying he should have excuses however he didn't exactly get a good chance. In comparison to "Wilder Mk 1" he was appointed on 12 May 2016, we played our 1st game proper on 6th August that year giving Wilder 86 days with the squad, he lost 3 out of his 1st 4 matches with a point at home to Rochdale. A change in manager probably was the right choice but the wrong choice was made.

He was appointed on the 18th of June. That’s plenty of time to get players fit. We were an absolutely shambles in every respect, but the fitness is unforgivable IMHO.

 

[bakeblade]

Cooper

Bindon Tanganga Mee

Seriki Hamer Davies Soumare McCallum

Ings Campbell

(McGuinness, Ogbene, Peck, Burrows and OHare need taking out of the 11 for a run of games)

McGuinness is much more suited to the Championship than Bindon

 

[PrestwichBlade]

He was appointed on the 18th of June. That’s plenty of time to get players fit. We were an absolutely shambles in every respect, but the fitness is unforgivable IMHO.

As it has been long before Sellés arrived

 

[LBA_Blade]

He was appointed on the 18th of June. That’s plenty of time to get players fit. We were an absolutely shambles in every respect, but the fitness is unforgivable IMHO.

I agree about the fitness side of things, but then you do wonder what are the point to our overseas training camps if it isn't to work on fitness. Hot weather training should be there to get match sharp which should have been seen off a week in Spain.

 

[Rodley]

I agree about the fitness side of things, but then you do wonder what are the point to our overseas training camps if it isn't to work on fitness. Hot weather training should be there to get match sharp which should have been seen off a week in Spain.

I don’t think the late transfer business helps us every year, but Selles had a core of players already here who look miles off it. I think it’s one of many reasons why we’ve had such an appalling start.

 

[JD88]

I think it’s pretty inevitable we’ll end up with this formation come the end of the international break as we don’t have any orthodox fullbacks nor have proper wingers. I also think two up top is key.

If that’s the case, it does throw up one or two selection headaches:-

Who is the front two? I’d opt for Ings and Campbell, but tempted by Ings and Cannon.

Who are your wingbacks? Siriki and Burrows for me despite McCallum doing well at the weekend. Not sold on Ogbene as he looks to have lost that explosive pace.

Who are your midfield three? Peck, Davies and Hamer for me.

Be interested to hear others thoughts. UTB

I would go 4-4-2 with a diamond in midfield. We don't have a wing back in the club (I have said this all along) the wingers aren't good enough, nor am I convinced we have 3 centre halves good enough. Gets us 2 front and Hamer back in the middle as the 10. My Midfield would be Soumare as the 6, Peck and Tom Davies playing as 8's and Hamer in the 10. Campbell and Ings up front

 

[SUFC Guy]

If we did go with 3-5-2 I would choose the following and have Peck protecting the back 3 and Hamer just behind the front 2 in a Duffy like role. Davies and Hamer to pull the strings. Seriki and McCallum should be fit enought to get up and down the wing.

------------Cooper

Tanganga -- McGuiness -- Mee

---------------Peck


Seriki ----- Davies ----- McCallum


-------------Hamer

-----Campbell --- Ings

 

[Bergen Blade]

I agree about the fitness side of things, but then you do wonder what are the point to our overseas training camps if it isn't to work on fitness. Hot weather training should be there to get match sharp which should have been seen off a week in Spain.

I wonder if some tougher friendlies may have revealed some of the collective and individual weaknesses in the squad and with Selles' tactical plan. We played good football in some of those pre season games, but the mediocre opposition may have meant some cracks were papered over.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think it’s pretty inevitable we’ll end up with this formation come the end of the international break as we don’t have any orthodox fullbacks nor have proper wingers. I also think two up top is key.

If that’s the case, it does throw up one or two selection headaches:-

Who is the front two? I’d opt for Ings and Campbell, but tempted by Ings and Cannon.

Who are your wingbacks? Siriki and Burrows for me despite McCallum doing well at the weekend. Not sold on Ogbene as he looks to have lost that explosive pace.

Who are your midfield three? Peck, Davies and Hamer for me.

Be interested to hear others thoughts. UTB

I think the back 5 with wing backs is the way to go, it does set us up to be much more disciplined. At least until we can make changes to the squad.

Burrows and Seriki as wingbacks, without a doubt. McCallum is not a starter for me. Ogbene perhaps needs a little more time

Midfield is clear, Peck and Hamer, but i don't see Davies playing enough games, so the temptation is O'Hare because of his workrate, but we know that the midfield 3 of Peck, Hamer and O'Hare is far too weak defensively. In reality it probably needs to be one of Soumares or Matos but neither really seem to be at the level we need (yet).

Up top, I think despite Cannon's form and a very fragile morale in the side, Cannon and Ings could work well, it was perhaps one for preseason. Campbell is certainly the best finisher and game changer up top, but his legs, his attitude just don't seem to be there for starting games with higher energy. That said, we're not getting a full run of games out of Ings between now and Jan either, are we?

I'd be tempted to start the headless barry up front and tell him to run forwards and kick it straight when he sees the goal. It might work. At least he won't have to (fail to) cross it if he's playing through the middle

 

[Addison]

3-4-1-2 is the way forward for me. It was the most successful formation CW employed when Duffy was floating in between the lines as a 10. This has to be Hamers position because he does not have the defensive discipline to play wide on the left constantly exposing the left hand side which has impacted Burrows game. In that Division 1 title winning team we had the holy grail midfield of Fleck Coutts and Duffy. For the formation to be successful it requires two deep lying midfield players who are capable of going past the opposition and getting up the pitch. Both did that with the right balance of one left and right footer.

Midfield is where our biggest problem lies it has been all season. Every team we have come up against have had at least one strong physical midfield enforcer. Matos doesn't have the passing ability of Fleck and Coutts. Soumare has the physical presence a left foot for balance and in his limited appearances has shown he is capable of moving forward up the pitch. Problem is his face doesn't fit with CW who prefers Peck who is currently lost in a pirouette world when in possession of the ball. Consequently the speed of ball progression is stymied by his current failing. Whether Davies is fit enough to regularly play in a deep lying two alongside Soumare is a big if. Needs must we have to go with him purely because of his passing capability.

Seriki and Burrows are a shoe in for wing backs. With better protection in front of him Burrows will improve.

That leaves the front two. It has to be Campbell and Ings simply because there is little alternative.

Ogbene is an option off the bench. Chong would be but already there are concerns he is carrying an injury over from last season that will limit appearances. One should be an option but again there seems to be a reluctance to give him a run over Cannon. As for Cannon he is becoming this seasons CW Brewster project. CW was determined to prove Brewster was not a lost cause but ultimately he was proved wrong. I fear Cannon will go the same way as his confidence is shot and simply shoehorning him into the line up isn't going to over come that. COH to come on for Hamer.

Mee, Tanganga and McGuiness as the back three.

Bindon and Barry to be on the January returned list.

Shackelton and Godfrey on the out of action list for some time.

 

[gavtheblade]

Play Hamer as false 10, let him play wherever he feels is his strongest.
He is wasted out wide, much better in and around the box IMO.

 

[dexter101]

Up top, I think despite Cannon's form and a very fragile morale in the side, Cannon and Ings could work well, it was perhaps one for preseason. Campbell is certainly the best finisher and game changer up top, but his legs, his attitude just don't seem to be there for starting games with higher energy. That said, we're not getting a full run of games out of Ings between now and Jan either, are we?

I am not sure how we get Cannon contributing (not even scoring, just involved in the game). I feel for the guy as there is clearly enough there for him to be a professional footballer but bar one (well taken) goal, I can't remember even

I would actually prefer at this point to stick One on there and get him game time, experience etc.

This cannon would currently make more of a difference on a game if we just parked it half way in their half, than Tom Cannon.



Imagine Hamer hitting a diagonal long ball, it clips the barrell, flicks over the head of the defender and Campbell runs on to score.

 

[MayorOJC]

I think it’s pretty inevitable we’ll end up with this formation come the end of the international break as we don’t have any orthodox fullbacks nor have proper wingers. I also think two up top is key.

If that’s the case, it does throw up one or two selection headaches:-

Who is the front two? I’d opt for Ings and Campbell, but tempted by Ings and Cannon.

Who are your wingbacks? Siriki and Burrows for me despite McCallum doing well at the weekend. Not sold on Ogbene as he looks to have lost that explosive pace.

Who are your midfield three? Peck, Davies and Hamer for me.

Be interested to hear others thoughts. UTB

Campbell and Ogbene for me, with Ings coming off the bench.

 

[Thrice]

Two up front does seem inevitable because Campbell just can't get it done on his own. Sadly this is where Moore could've been useful.

 

[SwissBlade]

I am not sure how we get Cannon contributing (not even scoring, just involved in the game). I feel for the guy as there is clearly enough there for him to be a professional footballer but bar one (well taken) goal, I can't remember even

I would actually prefer at this point to stick One on there and get him game time, experience etc.

This cannon would currently make more of a difference on a game if we just parked it half way in their half, than Tom Cannon.

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Imagine Hamer hitting a diagonal long ball, it clips the barrell, flicks over the head of the defender and Campbell runs on to score.

I think the main thing with Cannon is that he always looks like he needs to play in a two, he's clearly scored goals before, but sticking him on the wing or up top on his own, with wingers that can't / won't cross isn't ever going to be his game. Right now we don't have an amazing amount of choice up top. If Campbell can keep fit and look interested he's ahead anyway, but between Ings and Campbell, i'm not convinced we'll get a decent run out of them both as a pair so there will be chances for Cannon and One as well i suppose (had also forgotten about him for some reason)

 

[loyalblade95]

I think it’s pretty inevitable we’ll end up with this formation come the end of the international break as we don’t have any orthodox fullbacks nor have proper wingers. I also think two up top is key.

If that’s the case, it does throw up one or two selection headaches:-

Who is the front two? I’d opt for Ings and Campbell, but tempted by Ings and Cannon.

Who are your wingbacks? Siriki and Burrows for me despite McCallum doing well at the weekend. Not sold on Ogbene as he looks to have lost that explosive pace.

Who are your midfield three? Peck, Davies and Hamer for me.

Be interested to hear others thoughts. UTB

3-5-2/5-3-2 should be the way to go with this squad.

2 up top is key but we have to create chances for the 2 strikers, which means the likes of Hamer and Peck (or O'Hare if he is used) have to start trying to create.

As for the 2 strikers, I wouldn't mind trying Campbell and Ogbene, yes he's not a natural ST but in both him and Campbell we'd have 2 forward players who are both comfortable in drifting out wide or making runs into the box when necessary.

This might also work if Hamer (playing in a midfield 3 with Peck and Davies) still has licence to roam and can get into the box when required.

 

[The Fox]

Some good observations and suggestions on here .

Its been noted that many PL times are now playing more direct. Suppose its a solution to the high press from opposition, low risk and effective.
Not suggesting long ball stuff but teams seam to abandoning the tippy tappy procession based stuff .

Can't help thinking its possibly a simpler solution for us too .

3 centre backs and holder should make it solid enough at the back and just get the ball forward quicker to players who can hold it up with some willing runners to join in , not rocket science.

In an ideal world ( fitness etc aside) I'd like to see Ings and One as the top 2 supported wide by whoever to get forward quickly , doesn't matter who .

Just love to see us play in the oppositions final third bit more, and not so much fannying about when we do .

Living in hope.

 

[Back post bob]

We have square pegs and round holes,Some good players some not so good.
Just need to find ten and a formation who can play together.
It's a long time since I have seen such disjointed football.
But two up top is a must

 

[Deaneandagana]

Midfield is where our biggest problem lies it has been all season

What about upfront - 3 goals all season?

 

[Sydney Blade]

One thing i agree with Wilder on, having watched him for both SUFC and NZ, Bindon is garbage and needs to be as far away from the team as possible. Powderpuff bombscare league one player who got a lucky break and a low risk prem move. He will be back in league one or below on expiry of his forest contract. 100%.