If everyone outside of Sheffield United are questioning and laughing at it, results are proving it and COH are unwilling to defend it….

[botoble]

I’ve heard it by so many people posting on here, that the decision over the summer was the right thing to do.

Then because they agreed with the decision to get rid of the most successful manager blades have had in decades after another successful season… They couldn’t help but agree with the decision to employ a manager seriously lacking in experience and with a very mediocre and short career thus far…

Because Wilder won 1-0 a lot then anything has to be better?

Burnley are gutted about having Parker do the same I’m sure!

Then came terrible result after terrible result, with no game plan and even less game management getting worse week on week, it was time to blame the board for selling a couple of players…

Now it’s still the right decision to have got rid of Wilder because he was a 1 man controls everything manager that brought us unbelievable success but it’s not how Brentford and Brighton have done it! I’m sure Man U fans still hate Ferguson for doing the same

How many teams does this same type of hierarchy not work such as at Watford for example. Different manager each week as no love of any manager by the fans.

Everyone outside of Sheffield United can see that sacking Wilder was moronic, they thought it at the time and have evidence of how stupid it was and now they are laughing at us!

COH have managed to split the fan base but because they are new, some people for unknown reasons continually back their bizarre decisions. If the players we have signed are Selles buys then I’m very concerned, if they are COH signings considering they chose Selles I am not convinced by their ability to identify what is and isn’t good for on field operations.

This is a clown show and COH really should come out and hold their hands up, say they got it wrong, they rocked a very sturdy ship, let down the fans and this shambles is entirely of their own doing but we will learn and change. My concern is if they were to listen to half of our fan base right now they would feel their decisions are vindicated as fans agreed something had to change…did it though?

We are far more likely to be a bankrupt league 1 team than a mid table prem team, both are very unlikely but the struggling big team in league 1 happens far more often than a team breaking the mould and staying in the prem long term. The bankrupt league 1 team though with the current regime seems more and more likely.

Bringing Wilder back may be off the cards but I would trust his on the pitch judgements more than anyone currently at the club.

The next manager has to be all about results now as a relegation battle would be disastrous for the a club with our squad and financial situation regarding parachute payments. The clear out in players if we finish bottom half will be frightening come the end of the season.

I’m waiting for the COH statement and huge change in direction to get us back on track!

UTB

 

[coolasanidiot]

Everyone outside of Sheffield United can see that sacking Wilder was moronic, they thought it at the time and have evidence of how stupid it was and now they are laughing at us!

The only folk thinking that sacking Wilder was a good decision are about 40 folks on here. All those fans last night at Ipswich to a man/woman were singing for Wilder back.

And regardless of what the 40 say - they are in a massive minority.

He may not be coming back, but that was a huge mistake and all pundetary like you say are laughing at the decision, because it was idiotic.

Next manager - please have a proven track record of success in Championship please.

UTB

 

[de g.]

The only folk thinking that sacking Wilder was a good decision are about 40 folks on here. All those fans last night at Ipswich to a man/woman were singing for Wilder back.

And regardless of what the 40 say - they are in a massive minority.

He may not be coming back, but that was a huge mistake and all pundetary like you say are laughing at the decision, because it was idiotic.

Next manager - please have a proven track record of success in Championship please.

UTB

There are more than 40 think that sacking Wilder was the right thing.

Sheffield United is a football club, not a cult of personality. We cannot be dependent on one person to be at the centre of our identity and to determine the culture and values of the club from top-to-bottom. Wilder gave us some great times, but he also left us with many problems due to his unwillingness/inability to work with a DOF, his ultimate inflexibility around tactics, the turgid football through most of the second stint, his lack of trust in (or blowing hot and cold with) youth, and so on. Wilder is not the answer to questions about the future, unless that question is "Which potential managers need to be ruled out?".

It is patently fucking obvious that Selles is an incompetent fraud, and the sooner he is out of the way the better. That I or any of us supported the decision to remove Wilder (though I still believe that was about 70% Wilder's decision, after being told he'd have to work with changes to the broader club structure and deciding he couldn't/wouldn't) does not mean we're to blame for Selles.

 

[Danetheblade]

I’ve heard it by so many people posting on here, that the decision over the summer was the right thing to do.

Then because they agreed with the decision to get rid of the most successful manager blades have had in decades after another successful season… They couldn’t help but agree with the decision to employ a manager seriously lacking in experience and with a very mediocre and short career thus far…

Because Wilder won 1-0 a lot then anything has to be better?

Burnley are gutted about having Parker do the same I’m sure!

Then came terrible result after terrible result, with no game plan and even less game management getting worse week on week, it was time to blame the board for selling a couple of players…

Now it’s still the right decision to have got rid of Wilder because he was a 1 man controls everything manager that brought us unbelievable success but it’s not how Brentford and Brighton have done it! I’m sure Man U fans still hate Ferguson for doing the same

How many teams does this same type of hierarchy not work such as at Watford for example. Different manager each week as no love of any manager by the fans.

Everyone outside of Sheffield United can see that sacking Wilder was moronic, they thought it at the time and have evidence of how stupid it was and now they are laughing at us!

COH have managed to split the fan base but because they are new, some people for unknown reasons continually back their bizarre decisions. If the players we have signed are Selles buys then I’m very concerned, if they are COH signings considering they chose Selles I am not convinced by their ability to identify what is and isn’t good for on field operations.

This is a clown show and COH really should come out and hold their hands up, say they got it wrong, they rocked a very sturdy ship, let down the fans and this shambles is entirely of their own doing but we will learn and change. My concern is if they were to listen to half of our fan base right now they would feel their decisions are vindicated as fans agreed something had to change…did it though?

We are far more likely to be a bankrupt league 1 team than a mid table prem team, both are very unlikely but the struggling big team in league 1 happens far more often than a team breaking the mould and staying in the prem long term. The bankrupt league 1 team though with the current regime seems more and more likely.

Bringing Wilder back may be off the cards but I would trust his on the pitch judgements more than anyone currently at the club.

The next manager has to be all about results now as a relegation battle would be disastrous for the a club with our squad and financial situation regarding parachute payments. The clear out in players if we finish bottom half will be frightening come the end of the season.

I’m waiting for the COH statement and huge change in direction to get us back on track!

UTB

Folk hone in on the “least the 1-0s’ were better than the results now” - it’s not the 1-0s’ that are the problem. It’s the baggage that comes with Wilder, it’s the way in which we won games 1-0, it’s the I am mighty, thou shall listen to me that comes with Wilder. And.. worse of all.. it’s the fucking “punter” comments. I’m watching the blades, not standing at Cheltenham races. Get to fuck.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

A laughing stock in the Premier League
A laughing stock in the Championship

This club never fails to tick all the boxes.

 

[OttBlade]

Let me start by saying Selles has proved himself not to be the answer.
But how many games last year was i asking myself not only how we won that game but how did we even get a result. There's no doubt we certainly had the rub of the green in a number of matches last year, it now seems to be payback time. We've been undone several times this season by flashes of brilliance or sheer bad luck and once those heads go done its game over. Some will say you make your own luck and that's true but I really did fear for the future under Wilder had we gotten promoted. That's not to say I wasn't gutted at the time and still am, but really, what would a premier season under Wilder have looked like?

 

[Kenilworth]

Let me start by saying Selles has proved himself not to be the answer.
But how many games last year was i asking myself not only how we won that game but how did we even get a result. There's no doubt we certainly had the rub of the green in a number of matches last year, it now seems to be payback time. We've been undone several times this season by flashes of brilliance or sheer bad luck and once those heads go done its game over. Some will say you make your own luck and that's true but I really did fear for the future under Wilder had we gotten promoted. That's not to say I wasn't gutted at the time and still am, but really, what would a premier season under Wilder have looked like?

We’ve been outdone by nothing other than incompetence and naivety

 

[djbaldken]

There are more than 40 think that sacking Wilder was the right thing.

Then those forty plus on here ALL got it wrong!

Wilder gave us some great times, but he also left us with many problems due to his unwillingness/inability to work with a DOF, his ultimate inflexibility around tactics, the turgid football through most of the second stint, his lack of trust in (or blowing hot and cold with) youth, and so on

Turgid football that got results!!!!!! 92 points worth of turgid football.
Brookes, Seriki, Peck, One to name but four youth players who ALL got trust from Wilder AND showed a hell of a lot more under Wilder than this clown.

At least you concede Selles is a fraud. His appointment was nothing to do with fans so no one is blaming you personally.
The blame lies solely at the feet of COH.

 

[Kenilworth]

People should realise we aren’t going to be like Liverpool, ever. We’re not even going to be like Brentford or Bournemouth or Brighton. They’ve spent absolute huge wedges of coin to get where they are.

Our bladey bladeness was all we ever had. Our connection to Sheffield and the city (the city is ours) is the only victory we’ve had in decades.

Won nowt for over a century and now we are striving to be a Watford me too? It’s laughable

It’s an insipid, watered down, wannabe attitude that thinks getting away from the Wilder era and all that entails makes us clean and fresh and wonderful. We’re still the grubby little urchin we’ve always been but without that Sheffield identity we’re just a tart with a clean pair of undies and we’re now wearing a bra

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Sacking Wilder was fine with me. The choice of replacement was spectacularly bad.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Folk hone in on the “least the 1-0s’ were better than the results now” - it’s not the 1-0s’ that are the problem. It’s the baggage that comes with Wilder, it’s the way in which we won games 1-0, it’s the I am mighty, thou shall listen to me that comes with Wilder. And.. worse of all.. it’s the fucking “punter” comments. I’m watching the blades, not standing at Cheltenham races. Get to fuck.

Do you see how weak your argument is because he uses the word punter you don't like him?

The rest is in your head

 

[nopigfansintown]

There are more than 40 think that sacking Wilder was the right thing.

Sheffield United is a football club, not a cult of personality. We cannot be dependent on one person to be at the centre of our identity and to determine the culture and values of the club from top-to-bottom. Wilder gave us some great times, but he also left us with many problems due to his unwillingness/inability to work with a DOF, his ultimate inflexibility around tactics, the turgid football through most of the second stint, his lack of trust in (or blowing hot and cold with) youth, and so on. Wilder is not the answer to questions about the future, unless that question is "Which potential managers need to be ruled out?".

It is patently fucking obvious that Selles is an incompetent fraud, and the sooner he is out of the way the better. That I or any of us supported the decision to remove Wilder (though I still believe that was about 70% Wilder's decision, after being told he'd have to work with changes to the broader club structure and deciding he couldn't/wouldn't) does not mean we're to blame for Selles.

There's zero evidence that any SUFC owner has wanted a DOF. Indeed the opposite is true - none of them appointed one with and without Wilder. Wilder, on the other hand, has worked with DOF elsewhere.

It was always a myth that Wilder controlled everything. Under the Prince we had a technical board that voted on signings and other issues. Wilder had one vote in a democratic system. I disagree on the football and the so called inflexibility on tactics. He played all the youth players in both stints that had the ability to play at the level required (the one possible counter argument is Slater).

 

[Bell4]

Then those forty plus on here ALL got it wrong!


Turgid football that got results!!!!!! 92 points worth of turgid football.
Brookes, Seriki, Peck, One to name but four youth players who ALL got trust from Wilder AND showed a hell of a lot more under Wilder than this clown.

At least you concede Selles is a fraud. His appointment was nothing to do with fans so no one is blaming you personally.
The blame lies solely at the feet of COH.

Not to mention Arblaster as captain

 

[nopigfansintown]

Not to mention Arblaster as captain

I'd love to know the youth players Wilder wouldn't play who deserved too. David Brooks deserves a mention too.

 

[Bell4]

I'd love to know the youth players Wilder wouldn't play who deserved too. David Brooks deserves a mention too.

There must be plenty - you see , CW had no plan / eye on the future

 

[Danetheblade]

Do you see how weak your argument is because he uses the word punter you don't like him?

The rest is in your head

Aye, were in my head when he slagged all and sundry off at Leicester. “League one players” “PlayStation managers”..

 

[ATL Recs]

I’ve heard it by so many people posting on here, that the decision over the summer was the right thing to do.

Then because they agreed with the decision to get rid of the most successful manager blades have had in decades after another successful season… They couldn’t help but agree with the decision to employ a manager seriously lacking in experience and with a very mediocre and short career thus far…

Because Wilder won 1-0 a lot then anything has to be better?

Burnley are gutted about having Parker do the same I’m sure!

Then came terrible result after terrible result, with no game plan and even less game management getting worse week on week, it was time to blame the board for selling a couple of players…

Now it’s still the right decision to have got rid of Wilder because he was a 1 man controls everything manager that brought us unbelievable success but it’s not how Brentford and Brighton have done it! I’m sure Man U fans still hate Ferguson for doing the same

How many teams does this same type of hierarchy not work such as at Watford for example. Different manager each week as no love of any manager by the fans.

Everyone outside of Sheffield United can see that sacking Wilder was moronic, they thought it at the time and have evidence of how stupid it was and now they are laughing at us!

COH have managed to split the fan base but because they are new, some people for unknown reasons continually back their bizarre decisions. If the players we have signed are Selles buys then I’m very concerned, if they are COH signings considering they chose Selles I am not convinced by their ability to identify what is and isn’t good for on field operations.

This is a clown show and COH really should come out and hold their hands up, say they got it wrong, they rocked a very sturdy ship, let down the fans and this shambles is entirely of their own doing but we will learn and change. My concern is if they were to listen to half of our fan base right now they would feel their decisions are vindicated as fans agreed something had to change…did it though?

We are far more likely to be a bankrupt league 1 team than a mid table prem team, both are very unlikely but the struggling big team in league 1 happens far more often than a team breaking the mould and staying in the prem long term. The bankrupt league 1 team though with the current regime seems more and more likely.

Bringing Wilder back may be off the cards but I would trust his on the pitch judgements more than anyone currently at the club.

The next manager has to be all about results now as a relegation battle would be disastrous for the a club with our squad and financial situation regarding parachute payments. The clear out in players if we finish bottom half will be frightening come the end of the season.

I’m waiting for the COH statement and huge change in direction to get us back on track!

UTB

It was time for him to go I welcomed that
The replacement was, well completely underwhelming it didn’t make sense at all
I was expecting maybe someone who’s got a track record of success probably gained overseas.
COH got the replacement completely wrong I’d love to know who the human was who guided this
So here we are 10 years work washed away in three months
100% he should be gone today or yesterday really
But who takes over only names to stabilise us out there are Dyche or Nuno for me
Neither I feel are within our grasp at the moment
So it’s the inevitable Wilder ( god never thought I’d say this ) is the only other candidate if he’s interested
Maybe managers job for the season then DOF next ?

 

[ATL Recs]

The only folk thinking that sacking Wilder was a good decision are about 40 folks on here. All those fans last night at Ipswich to a man/woman were singing for Wilder back.

And regardless of what the 40 say - they are in a massive minority.

He may not be coming back, but that was a huge mistake and all pundetary like you say are laughing at the decision, because it was idiotic.

Next manager - please have a proven track record of success in Championship please.

UTB

Not a small minority though but a large minority ( still a minority )

 

[GodricBlade]

I thought I understood the decision to get rid of Wilder & was half expecting it like others were.
New owners, new vision, new plan, new structure and new people if the old ones don’t want to or can’t play by the new rules. Just like many other businesses in many walks of life.
Truth be told, I was even OK with it. I know he got 92 points & got us to the Play Offs. But the footy wasn’t sparkling, the Final was disappointing for everyone & his antics were at times questionable. It seemed like he didn’t fit the new ways too.

I was uncertain about Selles though. Unproven & lacking experience he didn’t seem to be the boost of a manager the club needed - someone with nouse, Champ winning mentality or character. He seems technical, serious & a bit boring. A bit like modern football is.
He doesn’t seem to have the players with him either & there’s only 1 outcome when that happens.

It’s not worked out how anyone wanted it to & I hope the owners realise this too.

Would we have performed better with Wilder at the helm this season? I imagine we wouldn’t be winless, virtually goal-less and free from shots on target.
Maybe they shouldn’t have got rid when they did - see how things went in the first 3 to 6 months of the season & how everything settled down after last season.
Maybe.

Too late now though. Wilder won’t come back (will he?) so whoever comes in will have a tough job turning things round.

 

[de g.]

Then those forty plus on here ALL got it wrong!


Turgid football that got results!!!!!! 92 points worth of turgid football.
Brookes, Seriki, Peck, One to name but four youth players who ALL got trust from Wilder AND showed a hell of a lot more under Wilder than this clown.

At least you concede Selles is a fraud. His appointment was nothing to do with fans so no one is blaming you personally.
The blame lies solely at the feet of COH.

Indeed, 92 points of turgid football, but probably 30 which could easily have gone the other way. This is where the advanced stats come into it - there's always likely to be a regression to the mean when achievements exceed performances to the extent they did.

As for youth team players, Brooks was in and out with persistent questions/rumours about his attitude in training; Seriki it's impossible to tell how much of his absence was fitness and how much was performance. None of those four seem to have developed in any way since the start of last season - Brooks still runs into blind alleys, Peck gets a nosebleed if asked to pass forward; Oné is a slightly bigger unit with no obvious sign of an end product.

There's zero evidence that any SUFC owner has wanted a DOF. Indeed the opposite is true - none of them appointed one with and without Wilder. Wilder, on the other hand, has worked with DOF elsewhere.

It was always a myth that Wilder controlled everything. Under the Prince we had a technical board that voted on signings and other issues. Wilder had one vote in a democratic system. I disagree on the football and the so called inflexibility on tactics. He played all the youth players in both stints that had the ability to play at the level required (the one possible counter argument is Slater).

It seems to always have been accepted wisdom that a DOF was planned - we were undoubtedly an outlier in the PL without one. I'm not sure where Wilder has worked under a DOF before, they don't appear to have had them at Watford or Boro. I can't see any evidence that there has been a technical board since McCabe left (and the only person on here who has referred to it with any frequency since 2018 is you). I said his 'ultimate inflexibility' - part of the success in the L1 to Prem period was the innovative and detailed tactical approach, but the corollary is that once he lost the players who made it tick he never really seemed willing to pivot again to a system which got the best out of the players we had.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Sacking Wilder was fine with me. The choice of replacement was spectacularly bad.

Yes, this problem is solely down to the quality of Wilders replacement. In fairness to the board they were probably thinking too far ahead, they wanted to find a young progressive manager who could take us onward into the Premier league…Sadly Selles is a million miles off being that man.
Now, because of one bad appointment, we’ll probably throw all new ideas into the dustbin of history.

 

[chesblade]

Trouble is if wilder comes back will he get anything out of this team , signings we made are just not good enough. Panic buys and loans when we could have paid less for probably better players. Would have taken Gilchrest rather than Godfrey, younger with lots to improve on and knew the club . We have also lost a lot of the backroom team including Jack Lester. Wilder would certainly have plenty of hard work in front of him

 

[nopigfansintown]

Indeed, 92 points of turgid football, but probably 30 which could easily have gone the other way. This is where the advanced stats come into it - there's always likely to be a regression to the mean when achievements exceed performances to the extent they did.

As for youth team players, Brooks was in and out with persistent questions/rumours about his attitude in training; Seriki it's impossible to tell how much of his absence was fitness and how much was performance. None of those four seem to have developed in any way since the start of last season - Brooks still runs into blind alleys, Peck gets a nosebleed if asked to pass forward; Oné is a slightly bigger unit with no obvious sign of an end product.


It seems to always have been accepted wisdom that a DOF was planned - we were undoubtedly an outlier in the PL without one. I'm not sure where Wilder has worked under a DOF before, they don't appear to have had them at Watford or Boro. I can't see any evidence that there has been a technical board since McCabe left (and the only person on here who has referred to it with any frequency since 2018 is you). I said his 'ultimate inflexibility' - part of the success in the L1 to Prem period was the innovative and detailed tactical approach, but the corollary is that once he lost the players who made it tick he never really seemed willing to pivot again to a system which got the best out of the players we had.

Yet two more appointments were made and no DOF imposed on either appointment.Indeed Wilder was then reappointed despite apparently being at odds over the still non existent DOF role.

The technical board featured in the match programme, local media and fan forums. The mystery is post Prince. Nothing much has has been in the media or communicated to fans in any way as far as I know. It's all here:





Wilder totally revamped the style of play last season and has played multiple formations in his time at the club.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Trouble is if wilder comes back will he get anything out of this team , signings we made are just not good enough. Panic buys and loans when we could have paid less for probably better players. Would have taken Gilchrest rather than Godfrey, younger with lots to improve on and knew the club . We have also lost a lot of the backroom team including Jack Lester. Wilder would certainly have plenty of hard work in front of him

Yep recruitment has been a shit show and even the good ones have been overpaid for. A point handicap and a baked in squad issue for the new guy. Not good.

 

[Wards]

Wonder if there's any correlation between those who keep dismissing performances so long as it gets results and those that never go to any matches?

Last season was shit viewing and I walked out the ground most of the matches wondering whether it was a worthwhile way to spend an afternoon.

I don't mind CW and wouldn't be dead set against him coming back, but the football would have to be decent for it to be worthwhile (like Wilder MK1). Last season was the first time in 35+ years that's had me genuinely question whether I've wanted to renew my ticket - and that includes Blackwell and a year getting pumped in the PL. It was such a waste of a good attacking squad.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Trouble is if wilder comes back will he get anything out of this team , signings we made are just not good enough. Panic buys and loans when we could have paid less for probably better players. Would have taken Gilchrest rather than Godfrey, younger with lots to improve on and knew the club . We have also lost a lot of the backroom team including Jack Lester. Wilder would certainly have plenty of hard work in front of him

After all those bodies coming into the club we’re still playing players out of position…Godfrey is not a right back…Shit like this ruins careers.

 

[William Large]

There's zero evidence that any SUFC owner has wanted a DOF. Indeed the opposite is true - none of them appointed one with and without Wilder. Wilder, on the other hand, has worked with DOF elsewhere.

It was always a myth that Wilder controlled everything. Under the Prince we had a technical board that voted on signings and other issues. Wilder had one vote in a democratic system. I disagree on the football and the so called inflexibility on tactics. He played all the youth players in both stints that had the ability to play at the level required (the one possible counter argument is Slater).

Unfortunately one person says it loudly and repeatedly, others latch onto it and say it loudly and repeatedly and all of a sudden it’s ‘fact’ without anyone ever being able to provenance where it has come from.

Same with lots of myths about Wilder.

I do agree with other posters that quite a lot of the football last season was really tough to watch and many of the close wins could very easily have gone the other way. For those reasons I understand exactly why people wanted a change.

From an outside perspective without actually watching us play every week, it appears that Wilder keeps grinding out results and getting rid of him was utter madness.

In balance grinding out results is exactly what he did.

Someone else summed it up really well (I forget who and the exact words) Wilder 1 was exceptional, Wilder 2 was competent. I would argue he was more than competent but it’s a pretty accurate summary in my opinion.

 

[Kenilworth]

Indeed, 92 points of turgid football, but probably 30 which could easily have gone the other way. This is where the advanced stats come into it - there's always likely to be a regression to the mean when achievements exceed performances to the extent they did.

As for youth team players, Brooks was in and out with persistent questions/rumours about his attitude in training; Seriki it's impossible to tell how much of his absence was fitness and how much was performance. None of those four seem to have developed in any way since the start of last season - Brooks still runs into blind alleys, Peck gets a nosebleed if asked to pass forward; Oné is a slightly bigger unit with no obvious sign of an end product.


It seems to always have been accepted wisdom that a DOF was planned - we were undoubtedly an outlier in the PL without one. I'm not sure where Wilder has worked under a DOF before, they don't appear to have had them at Watford or Boro. I can't see any evidence that there has been a technical board since McCabe left (and the only person on here who has referred to it with any frequency since 2018 is you). I said his 'ultimate inflexibility' - part of the success in the L1 to Prem period was the innovative and detailed tactical approach, but the corollary is that once he lost the players who made it tick he never really seemed willing to pivot again to a system which got the best out of the players we had.

It’s where experience trumps stats.

 

[Balham]

The only folk thinking that sacking Wilder was a good decision are about 40 folks on here. All those fans last night at Ipswich to a man/woman were singing for Wilder back.

Not true. I was there and I wasn’t singing. I was frankly a bit embarrassed by it.

Sellés clearly isn’t the answer. Wilder isn’t either.

 

[Alfiesdad]

The only folk thinking that sacking Wilder was a good decision are about 40 folks on here. All those fans last night at Ipswich to a man/woman were singing for Wilder back.

And regardless of what the 40 say - they are in a massive minority.

He may not be coming back, but that was a huge mistake and all pundetary like you say are laughing at the decision, because it was idiotic.

Next manager - please have a proven track record of success in Championship please.

UTB

I get that, this forum is not representative of most Blades supporters.
There are some 'professional fans' on here who think they know better than everyone else. They know a couple of people in the club, they may have had successful personal careers, they like to tell everyone about it, but a bit like our owners, their tactical football knowledge is on a par with my cat.
Clique fans who dislike the previous manager are in the minority but like to think that they're better informed about all things football.
Look at what what they wished for in deciding to get rid of the flawed but generally successful previous manager and decide if this current modern manager is better or not.
They won't, they've been largely silent apart from snide digs at people who see straight through this coach who's stuck on one page of the pro licence badge about vertical football.
If Selles was a boxer, he'd come out swinging, get knocked over and do the same thing time and again.
Six knockouts, he's punchdrunk, his supporters need to do the right thing and let him step away.