CONFIRMED Selles Sacked - He’s Gone.

[mattbianco1]

Wilder would never be accepted by a proportion of our fans.

I fully accepted him. I love the bloke, but I also thought it was time to change.

I actually said approaching the Play Off final (maybe on here), even if we win at Wembley, we should change the manager. That's harsh AF, but as I've highlighted a few posts up - he's very blinkered in his approach. It can get you so far, but it doesn't sustain you up at the top level.

 

[Balham]

Wilder was the king of Buy British. Of those 10 signings from abroad (I'm excluding Foderingham joining from Rangers), only Sander Berge made more than 10 appearances; the majority of those signings being made without Wilder's input. Separately, Berge is the only big money Wilder signing (£8m+) other than Aaron Ramsdale to move on for a transfer fee.

• Spain = 2 (one of which is British born BBD) - the other was Ivo Grbic, widely regarded as not a Wilder target and one who played <10 matches for us
• Belgium = 2 - only Sander Berge was played regularly; the other was Michel Verrips...for whom, see Grbic
• Norway = 1 - Ismaila Coulibaly, immediately loaned to Beerschot. Not sure he made an appearance under Wilder.
• Sweden = 1 - Ravel Morrison. English.
• China = 1 - Richairo Zivkovic, played 105 minutes over five appearances
• Germany = 1 - Panagiotis Retsos, played 15 minutes out of position in an FA cup tie
• Peru = 1 - Jefferson Cáceres, made the bench once
• Bulgaria = 1 - Christian Nwachuckwu, disappeared without sight during Wilder's time

WIlder's signings by nationality:


I've used Transfermarkt for nationality - and declared comes first (therefore Bradford-born Clayton Donaldson is classed as Jamaican and Stoke-born Ben Brereton Díaz Chilean but both are classed as British passport holders). First team is subjective but I don't think many are arguable. I've also stripped out the double signings of BBD, Norwood, Lafferty and Henderson.

 

[Brian Deane]

Wilder was the king of Buy British. Of those 10 signings from abroad (I'm excluding Foderingham joining from Rangers), only Sander Berge made more than 10 appearances; the majority of those signings being made without Wilder's input. Separately, Berge is the only big money Wilder signing (£8m+) other than Aaron Ramsdale to move on for a transfer fee.

• Spain = 2 (one of which is British born BBD) - the other was Ivo Grbic, widely regarded as not a Wilder target and one who played <10 matches for us
• Belgium = 2 - only Sander Berge was played regularly; the other was Michel Verrips...for whom, see Grbic
• Norway = 1 - Ismaila Coulibaly, immediately loaned to Beerschot. Not sure he made an appearance under Wilder.
• Sweden = 1 - Ravel Morrison. English.
• China = 1 - Richairo Zivkovic, played 105 minutes over five appearances
• Germany = 1 - Panagiotis Retsos, played 15 minutes out of position in an FA cup tie
• Peru = 1 - Jefferson Cáceres, made the bench once
• Bulgaria = 1 - Christian Nwachuckwu, disappeared without sight during Wilder's time

WIlder's signings by nationality:
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I've used Transfermarkt for nationality - and declared comes first (therefore Bradford-born Clayton Donaldson is classed as Jamaican and Stoke-born Ben Brereton Díaz Chilean but both are classed as British passport holders). First team is subjective but I don't think many are arguable. I've also stripped out the double signings of BBD, Norwood, Lafferty and Henderson.

Thought Sandra was Norwegian not Belgian

 

[WorksopBlade86]

Wilder was the king of Buy British. Of those 10 signings from abroad (I'm excluding Foderingham joining from Rangers), only Sander Berge made more than 10 appearances; the majority of those signings being made without Wilder's input. Separately, Berge is the only big money Wilder signing (£8m+) other than Aaron Ramsdale to move on for a transfer fee.

• Spain = 2 (one of which is British born BBD) - the other was Ivo Grbic, widely regarded as not a Wilder target and one who played <10 matches for us
• Belgium = 2 - only Sander Berge was played regularly; the other was Michel Verrips...for whom, see Grbic
• Norway = 1 - Ismaila Coulibaly, immediately loaned to Beerschot. Not sure he made an appearance under Wilder.
• Sweden = 1 - Ravel Morrison. English.
• China = 1 - Richairo Zivkovic, played 105 minutes over five appearances
• Germany = 1 - Panagiotis Retsos, played 15 minutes out of position in an FA cup tie
• Peru = 1 - Jefferson Cáceres, made the bench once
• Bulgaria = 1 - Christian Nwachuckwu, disappeared without sight during Wilder's time

WIlder's signings by nationality:
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I've used Transfermarkt for nationality - and declared comes first (therefore Bradford-born Clayton Donaldson is classed as Jamaican and Stoke-born Ben Brereton Díaz Chilean but both are classed as British passport holders). First team is subjective but I don't think many are arguable. I've also stripped out the double signings of BBD, Norwood, Lafferty and Henderson.

And it's an approach/strategy that worked superbly well in the main.

Just like the above Nationality facts cannot be doubted, neither can Wilder's record as our most successful manager in modern times.

 

[Davalon]

Thought Sandra was Norwegian not Belgian

He's mentioning the countries they were signed from

 

[Brian Deane]

He's mentioning the countries they were signed from

Ahhh, that explains it, Thank you

 

[Bell4]

I know that. And scouting in person is still required.

How many times do we hear United fans question - "why don't United ever find these random players?" after watching a young foreigner put in a Worldy type performance against us? ... the reason is because we haven't been using data driven models (previously) and we've cast our net into the UK market only.

People go off on here and in the pubs and at Bramall Lane like we've got this Laptop at Shirecliffe that's just signing a player and the manager has nothing to do with it and then a random kid turns up the next week

The AI driven model we are using is no different to all the top clubs.
How do you think Brentford and Brighton have found all these random youngsters from Africa and South America? THEY USE AI

I know technology scares the shit out of many of our our older fans, but all it means is we input a dataset and some attributes that we are looking for in a player and the software (AI) processes absolute shit loads of data in seconds and tells them which players fit the profile.

Rather than just using Goals Scored, Assists and Clean Sheets etc. AI scours the professional player databases and will look at loads of things that many of us don't understand, or consider - progressive passes, possession recover time etc.

As a very very basic example is the website fbref.com.
I put in Vini Souza and it gave me a list of 10 comparable players:
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From there you can drill down and compare the stats to 5 of those players. See here: https://fbref.com/tiny/fOb3E

This is a public facing website that any of us can use. Kids can use it to find players to buy on Football Manager or FIFA.

Footverse.com is another great site to use which overlays graphs showing player strengths.
As an example, i'll take Pedro Obiang from the list of players above. I have no idea who he is, or how good he is. Here is his graph overlayed with Vini Souza:

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In less than a minute, i've found a player in Italy who looks like an ideal replacement for Vini Souza.

If I can do this, imagine what type of databases professional football clubs have access to and how they can analyse players to purchase.

We haven't spent £3m on Zatterstrom for the laugh.

But are they forin?

 

[mattbianco1]

And it's an approach/strategy that worked superbly well in the main.

Just like the above Nationality facts cannot be doubted, neither can Wilder's record as our most successful manager in modern times.

Agreed. But it can only get you so far.

I reference Brentford and Brighton a few posts up.

Source: Transfermrkt...
Brentford's squad is 71% foreign.
Brighton are 69%

Buying British is fine if you're happy being a decent Championship club that flirts with the top flight occasionally.

The historical "process" has held us back, and currently our fans don't like the new process.

 

[mattbianco1]

But are they forin?

Well, Sellés has signed 5 foreigners in 3 months

Wilder signed 17 in total (2 of which were under the new owners)

 

[KMC-1889]

And it's an approach/strategy that worked superbly well in the main.

But it didn’t though, as mentioned we don’t make profits on players and end up having to sell them at a discount before they go on frees.

That 17/18 team he put together is nearly a decade ago now, most of his recent transfers have stunk, and is probably the major contributing factor to him getting binned off.

 

[kop blade]

we need a lft he would bring the house down with a loud roar at the lane hes a great choice bring him home ,they wont boo him because hes class yes bring SKIP back to the lane hes a blade he cares he can win,billy goat sharpy hes a blades kop legend,worth a go hes special ,,utb,,

 

[Toronto Blade]

Ipswich are still favourites for the League Title on betting sites and we're only 3 points behind them

The Blades were also favoured for promotion not so much at the moment

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Can I ask why it would be unforgivable to appoint Rohl in your opinion? Genuine question. I'll not say anymore until you've replied, assuming you do.

To sack 2 managers in 3 months then appoint someone as divisive as Rohl after what's happened with replacing Wilder would be absolutely ridiculous. If he were to lose his first couple of games it would be completely toxic. No serious people would appoint him.

 

[Rodley]

He could get 92 points and it still wouldn't be enough for some Unitedites.

He won’t get 92 points. He can’t hold a clipboard on the touchline without his hand shaking, regrettable and sad though it is to see. He’s practically cooked and the oven will ping after Ipswich.

 

[Bookers Mullet]

Not many realistic options out there to replace him, we are in a bit of a pickle

 

[Balham]

He won’t get 92 points. He can’t hold a clipboard on the touchline without his hand shaking, regrettable and sad though it is to see. He’s practically cooked and the oven will ping after Ipswich.

It will eventually, just as it did for Wilder at Wembley, in the form of the half time whistle, just as it will for the next guy.

What I will say is that I’d be very surprised if the trigger was pulled after Ipswich given it’s Sellés’s first match with a competent squad.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Well, Sellés has signed 5 foreigners in 3 months

Wilder signed 17 in total (2 of which were under the new owners)

Did he sign them, or were they signed?

 

[TJ blade]

he would deffo light the lane up and win games come home SKIP he would make a great blades gaffer kop legend..utb..

I fucking despere! I really do... what fucking chance have we got with donuts like this!

 

[ben1987]

Just to add about Chris Wilder and his UK Market purchasing.

I just checked his signings for United and here it is by division/country:

• Premier League = 32
• Championship = 25
• League 1 = 14
• League 2 = 1
• Non-League = 2

• Spain = 2 (one of which is British born BBD)
• Belgium = 2
• Norway = 1
• Scotland = 1
• Sweden = 1
• China = 1
• Germany = 1
• Peru = 1
• Bulgaria = 1

• Free Agents = 3

That's quite alarming as a manager operating in the top 2 divisions in my opinion.

To pick some random comparisons... Burnley, Leeds and Sunderland are the 3 newly promoted clubs. Here are their signings this season:

Leeds (10 signings)
2x PL = Longstaff & Calvert-Lewin
1x CH = James Justin
7x signings from abroad

Burnley (14 signings)
7x PL = Ugochukwu, Broja, Humphreys, Anthony, Walker, Dubravka, Tuanzebe
1x CH = Flemming
6x from abroad

Sunderland (15 signings)
2x PL = Guiu, Adingra
0x CH
13x from abroad

So 3 newly promoted teams have purchased 26 players from abroad in one summer window and Wilder has signed a total of 11 for United EVER

If that doesn't highlight Sheffield United's need for a reset and change, I don't know what does.

What makes it alarming for me is that 70% of starters in the premier league were born overseas.

Therefore, by only signing British you’re not only massively paying over the odds you’re fishing in a pool that’s 30% of the overall talent pulling a shirt on in that division every week.

It’s absolutely madness not to be looking for the overseas talent.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Did he sign them, or were they signed?

Doesn't matter, it means we're no longer at the behest of one person's strategy/decisions and can finally broaden our search area

 

[Booker4]

To sack 2 managers in 3 months then appoint someone as divisive as Rohl after what's happened with replacing Wilder would be absolutely ridiculous. If he were to lose his first couple of games it would be completely toxic. No serious people would appoint him.

That's a fair point re losing first few matches. On the other hand I still think he's a very good manager and would do well.

 

[mattbianco1]

This is what Selles is up against. Any post from the club and people are jumping in two-footed on Selles. What happened to getting behind the players and manager?

 

[KMC-1889]

This is what Selles is up against. Any post from the club and people are jumping in two-footed on Selles. What happened to getting behind the players and manager?

It’s going to be like this until they get their cwisseh back. It’s pathetic.

 

[Rodley]

This is what Selles is up against. Any post from the club and people are jumping in two-footed on Selles. What happened to getting behind the players and manager?

I suspect they’ve watched the first five matches and seen a managerial performance so bad we’re worse than Wednesday.

 

[Rodley]

It’s going to be like this until they get their cwisseh back. It’s pathetic.

You can see that Selles has objectively been absolutely abysmal and not want Wilder back. Trying to conflate both is a more than a little tiresome.

 

[mattbianco1]

I'm hoping United are a little like England under Tuchel.

They've been absolutely dross then all of a sudden, last night, it clicked! They settled into his system and ideas and smashed 5 past the hardest team in the group.

Tuchel has had the luxury of being head and shoulders better than the other teams, so has still got the results. The Championship is much more competitive, so Selles doesn't have the luxury.

Let's give him 5 more games

 

[mattbianco1]

I suspect they’ve watched the first five matches and seen a managerial performance so bad we’re worse than Wednesday.

You can see that Selles has objectively been absolutely abysmal and not want Wilder back. Trying to conflate both is a more than a little tiresome.

New players and a new system and style. It will take time to click.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

It’s going to be like this until they get their cwisseh back. It’s pathetic.

Nobody would be anti him if we didn't look so clueless and lost every single game. Nothing to do with Wilder whatsoever. We shouldn't be looking this poor.

Other than the handful of people who went after him for wearing a hat funny types I guess!

 

[Rodley]

New players and a new system and style. It will take time to click.

We haven’t got time, he needs to show a major improvement now or the season will slip away. Has a side who has lost five on the spin at the start of the season ever got promoted? Maybe one in the last 20 years?

 

[KMC-1889]

You can see that Selles has objectively been absolutely abysmal and not want Wilder back. Trying to conflate both is a more than a little tiresome.

Go through their previous comments, they’re definitely pining for their first love.