Is there anyone who thinks we shouldn't make the change yet?

[Berkshire Blade]

I'd genuinely like to hear from them. Personally I can't see how he stays or why long term so wondering why some think we should persist

 

[Chris the Blade]

4 games isn't enough. Give the kid time. A couple of wins and everything changes. We could have been 3 up on Bristol

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I think with the new players coming in, give him the international break and a couple of games after to see if there's any signs of improvement. If not, then it's probably time then

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

I'd give him until Charlton at home. If we're still winless after that, I think he'll have to go.

 

[ATL Recs]

I think whatever we think and whatever we want will be ignored
I’m now painfully accepting that he’s here until mid October the next international break at least
Instead of building on a strong foundation our new owners have certainly found a super quick way to have it collapse around them
Having said that I wanted change 100% and in January I had every confidence that we’d be moving forward no matter what into an exciting new era.
I questioned that at the end of January when I heard that Cannon was purchased on a loan on the 25/26 seasons parachute payments

 

[dexter101]

I'd genuinely like to hear from them. Personally I can't see how he stays or why long term so wondering why some think we should persist

My 2 reasons would be:

Change takes time. as a club we have had the same football mentality for god knows how long, owners clearly wanted to change this. It wasn't going to happen over night. I just wish we had put proper processes and staffing in place to help this. Also, I was hoping that we might see some sign of progress which so far is missing.

Who else? Not that it is a reason not to do it but those saying Dyche or Cooper are living in a fantasy world where people just get to choose a name and it happens. Both are PL managers. Cooper has already proven himself at this level, he doesn't need the headache (on what we would pay him) so who else?

Change, ings, tanganga, Godfrey (hopefully Mee) all hopefully all buy into the manager and hopefully can drag some of the others with them because the players don't seem to care at the moment and as a chappy, bladey blade, that is what I always want to see.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

I want him gone but they’ll let him have til October. He might pick up a couple of wins but long term I think it’s so obvious he’s not the guy.

 

[bartman]

4 games isn't enough. Give the kid time. A couple of wins and everything changes. We could have been 3 up on Bristol

You are right in saying 4 games isn't enough but after 4 games, if the manager can't see that a midfield 3 if Hamer,Peck and O'Hare doesn't work( in reality it is a midfield one of Peck), something clearly isn't right. We have scored one league goal in 4 league games and the manager thinks we are playing ok based on his comments yesterday.
At the moment we don't look like winning,scoring or effectively competing and I reckon the Board will have no option but to consider Selles' position.

 

[Edwards of Nazareth]

4 games isn't enough. Give the kid time. A couple of wins and everything changes. We could have been 3 up on Bristol

But everything won’t change. A couple of wins but then a defeat, and fans will be reminding you of the first 4 league games where we were shit. It’s a bit like Adkin’s reign- started badly but when we did get a decent result, fans couldn’t forget the first day drubbing.
He’s lost the fans and there’s no coming back from it

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Sacking a manager after just 4 games is just plain daft.

 

[Chris the Blade]

But everything won’t change. A couple of wins but then a defeat, and fans will be reminding you of the first 4 league games where we were shit. It’s a bit like Adkin’s reign- started badly but when we did get a decent result, fans couldn’t forget the first day drubbing.
He’s lost the fans and there later no coming back from it

If we beat Ipswich and Charlton the fan base will love him. Guaranteed.

 

[Wizard]

4 games is simply too soon to sack a manager. Especially with the squad being in flux while the window is open.

He's now got an international break to reset and improve things but if we come out the other side with similar performances in the first couple games then it's a matter of time before he goes

 

[b1ade4life]

Get the berk gone now

 

[b1ade4life]

If we beat Ipswich and Charlton the fan base will love him. Guaranteed.

We won't, and we won't

 

[Cheeky Blade]

My 2 reasons would be:

Change takes time. as a club we have had the same football mentality for god knows how long, owners clearly wanted to change this. It wasn't going to happen over night. I just wish we had put proper processes and staffing in place to help this. Also, I was hoping that we might see some sign of progress which so far is missing.

Who else? Not that it is a reason not to do it but those saying Dyche or Cooper are living in a fantasy world where people just get to choose a name and it happens. Both are PL managers. Cooper has already proven himself at this level, he doesn't need the headache (on what we would pay him) so who else?

Change, ings, tanganga, Godfrey (hopefully Mee) all hopefully all buy into the manager and hopefully can drag some of the others with them because the players don't seem to care at the moment and as a chappy, bladey blade, that is what I always want to see.

Change?

He had pre-season just like all the other clubs who have managed to form competent, competitive squads in that time.

Even the pigs have managed to scrape together some dignity with their performances after their shit-show pre-season.

Who else?

As you say, that’s not a reason not to do it and I’d suggest the names you mention are not out of the picture. They are not PL managers currently and no prospect of that happening.
There are many suggests as to who else in these boards, including of course Chris Wilder.

Ings, Tanganga and Godfrey might also think the manager is totally wrong in his approach and welcome change.

I’ve been mostly supportive of Sellés but simply can’t see a plan on the pitch and the his words off it don’t match the reality on it.

I think he’ll get a few games and I hope he can change ‘the dynamics around’, he certainly has better players at the back now to at least stem the tide but we’re making zero chances in most games.

Not a single shot in target.

 

[Dkc]

Interesting question. Sometimes it doesn't work with a new manager, and sometimes it does. There's no guarantee that we'd be better if we sacked Selles and we got, say O'Neill in.

I don't hold with the opinion that Selles is a terrible manager who is tactically inept and out of his depth. He's not a novice like Peters or Weir. He has solid experience setting up teams across the world. He's doing his best but it is not working.

He is not the first manager to come to SUFC with a decent CV - Adkins and Slav were highly rated before they came here. We gave Adkins time and it didn't work.

Part of me thinks that regardless of early results we shouldn't sack managers so soon. They should be given time to get the players used to their system. If we give Selles the full season we could well be challenging next season.

But on the other hand you've got to be realistic. If we're in the bottom three at Christmas (quite possible) the pressure will be off the scale, and it will affect the players. The fans won't accept a full season where we aren't at least challenging for the play offs.

If we sack Selles we'd better get the decision on his replacement right. If the new manager fails we're fucked.

If Wilder was willing to return tomorrow, and our owners were willing to employ him, I'd sack Selles. If Cooper, Nuno or Farke were available I'd sack Selles. Maybe Dyche too. Anyone else I feel would be another gamble.

If (as is likely) none of the above are available I'd give Selles more time. If we see no improvement by mid October it may be time to roll the dice.

 

[1973Blade]

I'd give him until Charlton at home. If we're still winless after that, I think he'll have to go.

I agree with this. An awful start, but it followed an awful transfer window up until last week. He's an honourable man who deserves the chance to work with the new players.

 

[Richy Rich]

Regardless of who the manager is there is no excuse for the spineless performance we are getting from half the players. As wilder himself would have said some effort and backbone should be a given.

Having watched Tanganga yesterday and to some extent even Ings who have been in the building 5 minutes, as an existing player I would have been frankly embarrassed by the utter effortless dross I was serving up (the problem is that I'm not sure some of them are embarrassed...it's somebody elses problem).

The clue is in the word 'professional' footballer. Good players don't go hiding.

I suspect most fans can forgive being outclassed by a better team, however I suspect many fans will have a bigger problem with effort.

 

[Linzip]

I'd genuinely like to hear from them. Personally I can't see how he stays or why long term so wondering why some think we should persist

Im amazed he’s still in post this morning. The job is too big for him. Completely out of his depth and it shows both on the pitch and in interviews. Rabbit in the headlights. The players pretty much ignored him when he went over to the fans yesterday. It’s clear they have no respect for him and nor do I. Useless and inadequate.

 

[Linzip]

Regardless of who the manager is there is no excuse for the spineless performance we are getting from half the players. As wilder himself would have said some effort and backbone should be a given.

Having watched Tanganga yesterday and to some extent even Ings who have been in the building 5 minutes, as an existing player I would have been frankly embarrassed by the utter effortless dross I was serving up (the problem is that I'm not sure some of them are embarrassed...it's somebody elses problem).

The clue is in the word 'professional' footballer. Good players don't go hiding.

I suspect most fans can forgive being outclassed by a better team, however I suspect many fans will have a bigger problem with effort.

I think the players do not want to play for him. Simples.

 

[robbiez666]

It depends whether he's prepared to compromise or not. If he's rigidly going to stick to a system and way of playing which clearly doesn't work there's no point giving him more games.

 

[Bladeslad89]

4 games is simply too soon to sack a manager. Especially with the squad being in flux while the window is open.

He's now got an international break to reset and improve things but if we come out the other side with similar performances in the first couple games then it's a matter of time before he goes

There’s no coming back from this. I think he’s lost the players looking at their body language. Notably Peck yesterday. If you get the opportunity to look at the videos doing the rounds from full time Peck seems to just blank him on more than one occasion. To be fair the only player I saw really interact with Selles was Gus.

 

[DW Blade]

My issue is that after 4 minutes of the game yesterday it stuck out like a sore thumb. Boro easily passed through our lines centrally and overloaded out wide. We needed a quick tactical tweak to stop the onslaught but we carried on and were lucky not to be 3-0 down by half time and 1-0 absolutely flattered us.
The players we have don’t work in the this formation and shoe horning it in is the worst thing we can do.
Unfortunately the system that will work for us means some players who probably should be on the pitch from a quality perspective will have to be on the bench for the teams effectiveness.
Personally I would love to see two up top, Ings and Campbell as I felt for him playing a lone striker with zero service. We have to move the ball quicker, too many sideways and backwards passes but we don’t seem athletic enough to get up and down apart from O’Hare.
There is a winning formation with that group of players but the manager whoever that may be needs to find it.

 

[Richy Rich]

They are employed by the club to play for whoever is in charge. In any walk you don't just go on strike at the first sign of trouble.

 

[dexter101]

Change?

He had pre-season just like all the other clubs who have managed to form competent, competitive squads in that time.

Even the pigs have managed to scrape together some dignity with their performances after their shit-show pre-season.

Who else?

As you say, that’s not a reason not to do it and I’d suggest the names you mention are not out of the picture. They are not PL managers currently and no prospect of that happening.
There are many suggests as to who else in these boards, including of course Chris Wilder.

Ings, Tanganga and Godfrey might also think the manager is totally wrong in his approach and welcome change.

I’ve been mostly supportive of Sellés but simply can’t see a plan on the pitch and the his words off it don’t match the reality on it.

I think he’ll get a few games and I hope he can change ‘the dynamics around’, he certainly has better players at the back now to at least stem the tide but we’re making zero chances in most games.

Not a single shot in target.

But I think the change he is meant to bring is bigger than just more of the same. Otherwise, why would the board change manager.

Maybe he should have come in, stuck with the same structure but he clearly had a remit to do more than that.

Not sure any of the signings would have done so on what they are currently seeing so they must have bought into what selles was saying to some extent.

Dyche and Cooper will just wait it out for wolves or west ham or another PL side.

We need someone who is going to buy into a long term project and neither of them need that.

Chris Wilder will not be returning. The boards position would be untenable if they sack him and 4 games down the line bring him back.

 

[cahill]

Normally I’d give a manager time but it seems to me that he’s lost the dressing room. Players can’t seem to adept to the cultural change from Wilder to Selles.

Think we’ll see a couple of departures in the next 24 hours

 

[SwissBlade]

If we beat Ipswich and Charlton the fan base will love him. Guaranteed.

And whilst i don't think the fan base will change so quickly, were that to happen, based on the performances away at Boro and Swansea, what makes you think that we could beat Ipswich away?

Selles said in the Press Conference before Swansea (i think) when there were no players arriving that weekend and it looked unlikely that we'd get the targets we wanted, that we have to adapt, or words to that effect.

He didn't expand too much, to my knowledge, but i think it was implied that if we don't get the players for his system, then something has to change in the way we play.

We've adapted since from Bristol City at home to the Swansea game in the fact that we're less gungho now, we were extremely open at the back that game and perhaps it was a surprise to Selles that we can't just attack and expect that when we lose the ball that it will magically come back to us. But now we're not attacking at all because we know we'll concede too many if we do.

Yesterday he didn't recognise that the central midfield had been dominated by Boro first half, but at half time i'd have expected Soumares on for Barry and for Hamer to get out on the left with Soumares sitting in with Peck. Peck having picked up a Yellow because of the way that he was being exposed. The way that Peck gets exposed is similar to how Bannan does at the pigs. There is no protection.

If Selles couldn't see this simple detail yesterday and change the game with the players he had on the bench, i struggle to see how there is optimism for Ipswich

 

[Cheeky Blade]

But I think the change he is meant to bring is bigger than just more of the same. Otherwise, why would the board change manager.

Maybe he should have come in, stuck with the same structure but he clearly had a remit to do more than that.

Not sure any of the signings would have done so on what they are currently seeing so they must have bought into what selles was saying to some extent.

Dyche and Cooper will just wait it out for wolves or west ham or another PL side.

We need someone who is going to buy into a long term project and neither of them need that.

Chris Wilder will not be returning. The boards position would be untenable if they sack him and 4 games down the line bring him back.

Change into what exactly?

 

[Chris the Blade]

Then sack them all. Spineless the lot of them

I think the players do not want to play for him. Simples.

 

[lepton blade]

I admire the optimism of some of these posts, “if we beat Ipswich and if we beat Charlton”. We’ve shown no signs of being able to beat anyone yet having scored 1 goal in 4 league outings.
Why would anyone think this is suddenly going to change?