Kamikaze midfield

[robbiez666]

We saw this in pre-season. We saw that you can't play Peck with Hamer AND O'Hare because we're absolutely soft in the centre and teams could easily counter on us.

Well, guess what, it's much worse when you play a better team in a competitive game.

Peck wanders everywhere. He's got no positional sense at all and gives the ball away frequently. Hamer also gives the ball away frequently, is poor at tackling and is too lazy to track runner. O'Hare wanders everywhere and is too weak to put tackles in.

 

[Danetheblade]

We saw this in pre-season. We saw that you can't play Peck with Hamer AND O'Hare because we're absolutely soft in the centre and teams could easily counter on us.

Well, guess what, it's much worse when you play a better team in a competitive game.

Peck wanders everywhere. He's got no positional sense at all and gives the ball away frequently. Hamer also gives the ball away frequently, is poor at tackling and is too lazy to track runner. O'Hare wanders everywhere and is too weak to put tackles in.

Is the O’Hare comment valid considering he challenged to win the ball back for the equaliser?

 

[FMBlade1]

Souza is such a miss.

 

[robbiez666]

Is the O’Hare comment valid considering he challenged to win the ball back for the equaliser?

name all the other challenges he put in to win the ball back? I take your point. That was really good. But over the course of the game what cover did he provide for the defence?

 

[Danetheblade]

name all the other challenges he put in to win the ball back? I take your point. That was really good. But over the course of the game what cover did he provide for the defence?

He’s playing forward of the midfield. His role is to press and harrow for the ball. Aim the criticism at Hamer (who’s got the fitness and athleticism of that bird off my 600 pound life). And Peck who’s got the defensive acumen of a one legged pug.

 

[robbiez666]

He’s playing forward of the midfield. His role is to press and harrow for the ball. Aim the criticism at Hamer (who’s got the fitness and athleticism of that bird off my 600 pound life)

we're playing a 4:3:3. He has to defend in that formation.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Souza is such a miss.

He was a cut above at this level. At full fitness, he'd have walked into every side in the division last season - potentially our only player I could say that about (Hamer the other contender).

Anel, similarly, was clearly a top-end Championship defender.

I'd love to see this side with Soumaré and Iroegbunam (linked) from Everton in it.

Selles needs help from the owners. I was impressed with a lot of what I saw, but he hasn't been given the tools for the job.

 

[Rodley]

This system would have to have Baresi and Maldini at centre half to succeed. I’m sure we all enjoy committing 6 or 7 players up when we’re attacking, but sensible and pragmatic teams will just sit in break through the middle of us. Peck can’t be everywhere. It’s suicide football.

What worried me more was the lack of Plan B and game management. This has been happening all preseason as the system is completely unbalanced, but to let it play out over a match without altering things is a bit of a worry,

It was always a huge, huge gamble by the board, which has become harder due to lack of backing and fantasy AI bollocks. Need to invest in quality now because this is young and inexperienced side who look vulnerable. Let’s hope it is not Davie Weir all over again.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

O'Hare isn't even a proper "midfielder". He's good playing "in the hole" behind the striker(s), that's the only thing he's good at.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

If you are going to be that shockingly open you surely need some pace to get back and cover.

Bindon looks slow
Rnd must be the slowest player in the league and
Robinson has never had any pace.

They aren’t close to the right players for that formation.

2 new CBs needed. That Everton lad too by the looks of things.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

I've not seen the game, but it is obvious that these three leave us exposed. The new guy has presumably been brought in to replace Vini, but who drops out?

 

[Lowen]

I question whether O’Hare & Hamer as the 8’s works in any system but if Selles wants to do that he needs a true 6 behind them and has to use the fullbacks differently, one of them inverting into midfield and the other forming a back three. We saw how easy it was to play and run through us, awful set up off the ball.

 

[The Hobott]

Please don't play Hamer deep.

 

[Danetheblade]

we're playing a 4:3:3. He has to defend in that formation.

4-3-3 with O’Hare in a CAM position. Thst position doesn’t drop as further back as a standard CM.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

It’s just really really worrying. I don’t think it’s an over reaction to say that. We had no strength in depth, we looked awful defensively, tactically all over the place.

 

[loyalblade95]

Out of the three of them (Peck, Hamer and O'Hare) thought O'Hare did well enough, and Peck was up and down in terms of performance, albeit in a position that doesn't suit him.

But deary me, Hamer let that game pass him by, if it wasn't for RND's performance, I would have said Hamer might have been our worst player today.

He might be our most talented player but surely that doesn't mean he's entitled to get a free pass after that performance.

 

[T-Blade]

O’Hare was one of few positives today. Peck for soumare for me

 

[loyalblade95]

4-3-3 with O’Hare in a CAM position. Thst position doesn’t drop as further back as a standard CM.

Think it transitions between 4-3-3 with a CDM when we don't have the ball (when O'Hare plays as a CM) and 4-3-3 with a CAM when we have the ball.

 

[loyalblade95]

O’Hare was one of few positives today. Peck for soumare for me

Same here, was a bit surprised that he didn't get a run out today, just to see what he's about.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

If Selles answer to having one fit central midfielder is to play one central midfielder, then he's not quite the upgrade we thought he was....

 

[ancientblade]

Out of the three of them (Peck, Hamer and O'Hare) thought O'Hare did well enough, and Peck was up and down in terms of performance, albeit in a position that doesn't suit him.

But deary me, Hamer let that game pass him by, if it wasn't for RND's performance, I would have said Hamer might have been our worst player today.

He might be our most talented player but surely that doesn't mean he's entitled to get a free pass after that performance.

spot on had no interest for me which suggests hes on his way the tackle for bristols first goal was typical of the numerous fouls he gives away every game and we were punished i think at least 3 players will lose their places for swansea after todays debacle

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Contrary to previous ambitions,there was no high press,no leadership,no shape,hands on hips after 10 minutes. Saying that,we were excellent for 25 minutes with Barry much involved. Second goal sucker punch after Hamers hanging leg to give them the first one. Heads went after halftime and revert to Adkins football. Seles got so much wrong and some right. Better shape up quick,Centre backs a must and a mobile forward to start with ,and a shape,or he won’t last long. I’m talking about the owners as well with that statement.

 

[Thrice]

We haven't seen Soumare yet. Maybe he is just what the doctor ordered. If he isn't, we might be in trouble.

 

[Caseh]

I think Soumare needs to come in for Hamer. He's absolutely brilliant when he can be bothered, but if we're wanting to press we can't rely on him. He's got absolutely no discipline whatsoever.

 

[FlamingLip]

This system would have to have Baresi and Maldini at centre half to succeed. I’m sure we all enjoy committing 6 or 7 players up when we’re attacking, but sensible and pragmatic teams will just sit in break through the middle of us. Peck can’t be everywhere. It’s suicide football.

What worried me more was the lack of Plan B and game management. This has been happening all preseason as the system is completely unbalanced, but to let it play out over a match without altering things is a bit of a worry,

It was always a huge, huge gamble by the board, which has become harder due to lack of backing and fantasy AI bollocks. Need to invest in quality now because this is young and inexperienced side who look vulnerable. Let’s hope it is not Davie Weir all over again.

Forcing a system without the right tools has always ended badly. He simply has to adapt it.

 

[SwissBlade]

We saw this in pre-season. We saw that you can't play Peck with Hamer AND O'Hare because we're absolutely soft in the centre and teams could easily counter on us.

Well, guess what, it's much worse when you play a better team in a competitive game.

Peck wanders everywhere. He's got no positional sense at all and gives the ball away frequently. Hamer also gives the ball away frequently, is poor at tackling and is too lazy to track runner. O'Hare wanders everywhere and is too weak to put tackles in.

Thought Peck did his job, sat deep, played that role in front of the shocking centre halves, wasn’t spectacular and needed experience around him.

Hamer was so deep alongside him, seemed to have a free role to do absolute nothing constructive. Sometimes deep alongside peck, sometimes outside between fullback and winger…

O’Hare was the only one that really seemed to know how to press and put pressure on and wanted to take the ball forwards

 

[robbiez666]

If this is the midfield we have he's better off playing

-----------------------Cooper
---Seriki------Bindon---Fuck knows----Burrows
----------------Peck---------Soumare
---Hamer------------O'Hare--------------Barry
---------------------Campbell

One of the main issues today was when we lost the ball down the wing and they countered there were only the CBs and Hamer or Peck back to cover. You can't expect FBs to get all the way forward then magically get back to cover breaks. At least with two deep midfielders there's some cover there and I'm more likely to score than Peck.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

That midfield is the sort a 12 year old would select

If Peck was as good as he thinks he is he'd have no problem playing that role but in reality he can't do it

We should also be grateful to Tom Davies for once again not being there when we need him

 

[Sherwoodblade]

It’s just really really worrying. I don’t think it’s an over reaction to say that. We had no strength in depth, we looked awful defensively, tactically all over the place.

A few mention Wilder and that this would not have happened under his management. That may or may not be true but I can't forgive wilder for the play off final and at the end of the day he's gone. Selles is the manager now, or maybe for now if today is anything to go by.
I have to say I found today both infuriating and hilarious at the same time. Peck cannot play that role on his own. RND centre back with their quality is laughable. I think RND is a spent force at championship level. We need as a minimum 2 decent centre backs otherwise this team will do what some of Selles other teams have done, be fighting relegation. Early days though and I guess not every team will have 4 shots on target and score all 4. The planning for this first match in the current transfer window has been woeful.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Peck is part of the problem. His enthusiasm can't be knocked, but his enthusiasm also means he constantly abandons his position to chase the ball or try to join in attacks. This leaves a hole for others to fill or for opponents to exploit. When other players fill in that void it leaves another gap where they should be. Peck's lack of positional discipline is an issue that will cost us time and time again as it did last season and the sooner he is replaced by Soumaré (hopefully up to scratch), the better.

Yes the defence needs replacements but they'll also need protection when we get them as Peck puts them under constant pressure with his energetic headless chicken antics.