Outgoing? Michael Cooper

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ben1987 said:
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Worth to fans & what we’d sell for as a club are two very different things. At 25 years old from a championship club to Prem I’d say we’d sell him for £15m - dependent on what % of that we have to pay to Plymouth as I presume they’re due some

We are a selling club, we don’t hold out for £30m & be stubborn so teams have to over pay. We’ll sell the moment a decent bid comes in for any of our players.
 
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Millhousesblade1889 said:
Worth to fans & what we’d sell for as a club are two very different things. At 25 years old from a championship club to Prem I’d say we’d sell him for £15m - dependent on what % of that we have to pay to Plymouth as I presume they’re due some

We are a selling club, we don’t hold out for £30m & be stubborn so teams have to over pay. We’ll sell the moment a decent bid comes in for any of our players.
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I know we are a selling club. Every club in the world barring maybe 4 giants are selling clubs. Infact I want us to be a selling club. The best run clubs in world football all now pride themselves on being selling clubs.

One mediocre reports a new link to one of our better players and suddenly there’s a queue of blades looking for reasons to sell him for whatever we can get.

In order to be a successful selling club at some point you have to make a switch to opening on a fuck off price and being tough negotiators.

It wasn’t me that valued him at £25m - he’s probably worth in the mid teens perhaps 20 at absolute tops but you don’t start negotiating at the bottom. Especially when he’s in the divisions top 1/2/3 goalkeepers

Belvedere Blade said:
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Good. Let them go for him and we’ll keep cooper. I was just pointing out that this mornings discussion was due to a link to West Ham rather than Everton.
 
ben1987 said:
I know we are a selling club. Every club in the world barring maybe 4 giants are selling clubs. Infact I want us to be a selling club. The best run clubs in world football all now pride themselves on being selling clubs.

One mediocre reports a new link to one of our better players and suddenly there’s a queue of blades looking for reasons to sell him for whatever we can get.

In order to be a successful selling club at some point you have to make a switch to opening on a fuck off price and being tough negotiators.

It wasn’t me that valued him at £25m - he’s probably worth in the mid teens perhaps 20 at absolute tops but you don’t start negotiating at the bottom. Especially when he’s in the divisions top 1/2/3 goalkeepers


Good. Let them go for him and we’ll keep cooper. I was just pointing out that this mornings discussion was due to a link to West Ham rather than Everton.
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I’m not looking at reasons why we’d sell him, it’s just part of following our club that at some point a decent ish bid will come in & the player will ask to leave. It’s the usual routine. I don’t think that decent bid will be near the £20m mark, I wish it was but I think West Ham or someone else would get him for around £15m
 
I’d be absolutely gutted to lose Cooper as he’s a fantastic keeper and it would be a big hit to any promotion ambitions.

However if he was to go Mohamed Kone at Charleroi compares pretty well to him statistically but with a much smaller sample size.
 
Be nice if these new owners made a statement of intent and just said he’s signed a 5 year deal and not for sale

I think it would go some way to giving the fans some confidence going into next season
 
Millhousesblade1889 said:
Worth to fans & what we’d sell for as a club are two very different things. At 25 years old from a championship club to Prem I’d say we’d sell him for £15m - dependent on what % of that we have to pay to Plymouth as I presume they’re due some

We are a selling club, we don’t hold out for £30m & be stubborn so teams have to over pay. We’ll sell the moment a decent bid comes in for any of our players.
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We’re part of the food chain, so unless you’re top of the food chain, of course we’re technically a selling club.
There’s no other club in world football (apart from Real Madrid and Barcelona) that aren’t selling clubs?
Also it’s years (going back to the McCabe era) when we were desperate and felt forced to sell a player on the cheap.
Under the Prince we built a reputation for holding out playing hardball and getting good money for players.

Goalies are always under valued.
I’m say Cooper probably is worth £15 million (let’s not forget he’s spent almost all his career at league 1 level
And only player 1.5 seasons in the Championship) but we all see his potential and he could end up being worth more….think he’ll end up being a PL goalie.

Think any bid would need to be nearer £20 million for us to sell and there would need to be a decent % future sell on.
Also of course we would only sell if we have a top goalie replacement lined up.

I’m not concerned either way…
My view is that any bids from PL clubs will be £10 million to £15 million and that club would plan for him to be their number 2.
Would Cooper be keen to go to another club on say £40K a week to be a number 2….only playing in cup matches?
Basically….don’t think they’ll be any bid that excites either United or Cooper.

Think a PL club might be better waiting until next season. If we fail to be promoted then our parachute money drops substantially
putting us in the category “desperate to sell” and Cooper should be better, having another season of experience at Championship level.
 
FriethBlade said:
Look at what we got for Ramsdale as a minimum (and Cooper is better than him) then add some more as fees have increased since then, then we start talking.
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I agree that Cooper is the better keeper but Premier league clubs won't value him as highly due to his lack of experience at that level

They are looking st him primarily as back up and won't be willing to pay what we value him at
 

Frank the tank said:
I agree that Cooper is the better keeper but Premier league clubs won't value him as highly due to his lack of experience at that level

They are looking st him primarily as back up and won't be willing to pay what we value him at
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Well that's fine as he doesnt want to go anywhere as back up and we won't sell if they don't meet our valuation
 
Blade58 said:
Be nice if these new owners made a statement of intent and just said he’s signed a 5 year deal and not for sale

I think it would go some way to giving the fans some confidence going into next season
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Disagree….if our owners said that….i’d be worried about their competence as businessmen.
Also it would show naivety about football and would be the type of “look at me bravado” that Chansiri would say
Making it appear we have spending power, instantly making it more difficult to sign players.

A well run club looks at finances and expenses and ensures we stick to the FFP rules, otherwise it’s a points deduction.
Cooper possibly thinks he could be a PL player in 2 or 3 seasons, so he’ll only sign a 5 year deal if we offer a pay rise with a PL salary.
If we fail to be promoted this season, our parachute income drops by about £30 million the following season, so we need decreasing salaries not increasing them.

I’d like to think our owners have a valuation on all our players.
Let’s say Cooper is valued at £15 million….but as he’s such an important player….we don’t sell at the first £15 million bid.
Expect we’re already looking at alternatives who are at his level around the £10 million mark.
Also as Cooper is so important hopefully we’ll need more persuasion and would be looking for at least £20 million….don't think any PL would pay that.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Disagree….if our owners said that….i’d be worried about their competence as businessmen.
Also it would show naivety about football and would be the type of “look at me bravado” that Chansiri would say
Making it appear we have spending power, instantly making it more difficult to sign players.

A well run club looks at finances and expenses and ensures we stick to the FFP rules, otherwise it’s a points deduction.
Cooper possibly thinks he could be a PL player in 2 or 3 seasons, so he’ll only sign a 5 year deal if we offer a pay rise with a PL salary.
If we fail to be promoted this season, our parachute income drops by about £30 million the following season, so we need decreasing salaries not increasing them.

I’d like to think our owners have a valuation on all our players.
Let’s say Cooper is valued at £15 million….but as he’s such an important player….we don’t sell at the first £15 million bid.
Expect we’re already looking at alternatives who are at his level around the £10 million mark.
Also as Cooper is so important hopefully we’ll need more persuasion and would be looking for at least £20 million….don't think any PL would pay that.
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Fair points. However, I think parachute payment situation is worse than you say? I thought because we got relegated first season, we only get two years not 3?
 
ben1987 said:
Cooper to Gunn would be an absolutely horrific downgrade. Gunn is WANK
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Who would you get to replace Cooper?

Not a passive aggressive reply(!) more that it’s not obvious to me who. Cooper has been so good.

I liked the Finn who went to Celtic, Sinisalo. Had a good loan move before he joined them.
 
Champagneblade said:
Who would you get to replace Cooper?

Not a passive aggressive reply(!) more that it’s not obvious to me who. Cooper has been so good.

I liked the Finn who went to Celtic, Sinisalo. Had a good loan move before he joined them.
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Who would you get to replace Cooper?

A very good question for which I really have no answer. Certainly nobody really impressed me last season in the championship. Those lads who played for York in the friendly looked useful.
 
Champagneblade said:
Who would you get to replace Cooper?

Not a passive aggressive reply(!) more that it’s not obvious to me who. Cooper has been so good.

I liked the Finn who went to Celtic, Sinisalo. Had a good loan move before he joined them.
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No idea to be honest. I’d be doing everything in my power not to sell Cooper unless it was for eye watering money to a club going to use him as a number 1.
 
Champagneblade said:
Who would you get to replace Cooper?

Not a passive aggressive reply(!) more that it’s not obvious to me who. Cooper has been so good.

I liked the Finn who went to Celtic, Sinisalo. Had a good loan move before he joined them.
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As said a very difficult question. However you can be sure our recruitment team will have a couple of keepers that they think can replace him as its not new news that PL teams r circling. We'd be pretty negligent if we weren't already lining up potential replacements
 
Champagneblade said:
Who would you get to replace Cooper?

Not a passive aggressive reply(!) more that it’s not obvious to me who. Cooper has been so good.

I liked the Finn who went to Celtic, Sinisalo. Had a good loan move before he joined them.
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The Rotherham one that went to Stoke.
 
Frank the tank said:
I agree that Cooper is the better keeper but Premier league clubs won't value him as highly due to his lack of experience at that level

They are looking st him primarily as back up and won't be willing to pay what we value him at
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I'm going into the Apple shop tomorrow and offering a couple of hundred euros for a new MacBook Pro, explaining that I already have one so it won't really be my main one so I don't value it as highly as they do. Looking forward to their counter offer.
 
Latters said:
The Rotherham one that went to Stoke.
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Victor Johansson. Good numbers.

Not that I’d like to move away from having our own keeper but we’d have to look at all options. Might be some decent loan keepers there that otherwise might not be available.
 

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