Outgoing? Brewster

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jt64 said:
I was hoping someone wouldn't make such a stupid response, but oh well. I guess we should just never gamble on anyone that might become a Premier League quality player just in case we're wrong.
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it's called 'sarcasm'.
 
WiseBlade said:
I believe he scored the winning goal then. Brewster has had unlucky injuries and although I think personally he should show a bit of gratitude for us standing by him despite the injuries. A footballers career span is short so if he wanted to leave let him...we'll always have hillsborough...just don't score past us...which is dead on cert
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Too right he should be grateful that we honoured his contract whilst he was injured.

I bet we even paid him on time, he should be ever so grateful.

It doesn't happen everywhere in Sheffield.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
They scored 11 between them. That's hardly a fair few. Other teams have got defenders who outscored them. I laugh when people say "McBurnie was our top scorer." I don't think I've met fans of any other team who celebrate a striker being top scorer with only 6 goals. But then again, most fans don't celebrate and accept mediocrity as the norm like some of ours do.

It's not like we reinvested that extra £100mil. We spent a quarter of that on Brewster and a large chunk on Ramsdale.
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They scored 6 each. 6+6 = 12. Not 11.
 
Champagneblade said:
Interesting to see where he ends up and if they lazily look at one or two highlights and have considered his problems around injuries and form, which could also be seen as ability.

I know you can make for contributions for some but we spent 50m on Brewster, McBurnie and Mousset and they all left for nothing. Chansiri-esque!
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This wouldn’t be a bad thing if they’d all banged the goals in and left because they wanted their next big move, in reality all have come to us with promise and limped out of the club with either a kebab in their hand or a shit contract offer on the table.

It’s either poor coaching, bad luck, poor recruitment or a combination of the above.
 

SwissBlade said:
But this last season has been his best playing a variety of positions and not looking out of place in a side aiming for promotion
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I know everyone is convinced I hate him and wouldn’t give him credit but that’s untrue, he did well a few times coming on last season.

However if you make a statement like the above can you give any objective statistics or reference to performances where he’s looked anything other than bang average (I don’t count the ability to control, turn and pass a football to a team mate as ‘good’, that’s a pre requisite of being a professional footballer for me)?

I’d say he’s played well in parts of games, maybe in 20 minute stints, apart from that he’s a 5 or 6 out of 10 performer in a team that needed 7’s, 8’s and 9’s to get promoted.

I genuinely believe that some of our fans have been conditioned around how shit he was and are now seeing ‘competent’ performances as an indicator that he’s now a decent player.

Objectively he just isn’t and has been a terrible signing.
 
Houston_Blade said:
I know everyone is convinced I hate him and wouldn’t give him credit but that’s untrue, he did well a few times coming on last season.

However if you make a statement like the above can you give any objective statistics or reference to performances where he’s looked anything other than bang average (I don’t count the ability to control, turn and pass a football to a team mate as ‘good’, that’s a pre requisite of being a professional footballer for me)?

I’d say he’s played well in parts of games, maybe in 20 minute stints, apart from that he’s a 5 or 6 out of 10 performer in a team that needed 7’s, 8’s and 9’s to get promoted.

I genuinely believe that some of our fans have been conditioned around how shit he was and are now seeing ‘competent’ performances as an indicator that he’s now a decent player.

Objectively he just isn’t and has been a terrible signing.
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You are a poster that I have a lot of time for and generally agree with.

But it has to be said that on this subject you have come across as a weird obsessive. Which I recognise as an aberration, but there it is.
 
Nick Jansky said:
You are a poster that I have a lot of time for and generally agree with.

But it has to be said that on this subject you have come across as a weird obsessive. Which I recognise as an aberration, but there it is.
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I take that onboard and can see why. However no one has ever answered the question when I’ve asked it.

If I’m missing something with Brewster then I’d like to be told what I’m missing. I just think there’s a massive reach from a section of supporters to make him into a ‘decent championship player’ when in reality he’s not displayed any level of performance for us for anything other than the odd part of a game to suggest this is the case.
 
Houston_Blade said:
I know everyone is convinced I hate him and wouldn’t give him credit but that’s untrue, he did well a few times coming on last season.

However if you make a statement like the above can you give any objective statistics or reference to performances where he’s looked anything other than bang average (I don’t count the ability to control, turn and pass a football to a team mate as ‘good’, that’s a pre requisite of being a professional footballer for me)?

I’d say he’s played well in parts of games, maybe in 20 minute stints, apart from that he’s a 5 or 6 out of 10 performer in a team that needed 7’s, 8’s and 9’s to get promoted.

I genuinely believe that some of our fans have been conditioned around how shit he was and are now seeing ‘competent’ performances as an indicator that he’s now a decent player.

Objectively he just isn’t and has been a terrible signing.
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I was passing an opinion, he’s had a good season I a good side. You disagree and that’s fair enough.

But saying objectively before you make a statement doesn’t make that statement objective 😂
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
They scored 11 between them. That's hardly a fair few. Other teams have got defenders who outscored them. I laugh when people say "McBurnie was our top scorer." I don't think I've met fans of any other team who celebrate a striker being top scorer with only 6 goals. But then again, most fans don't celebrate and accept mediocrity as the norm like some of ours do.

It's not like we reinvested that extra £100mil. We spent a quarter of that on Brewster and a large chunk on Ramsdale.
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I get this view, but that first season the priority would always have been to sign players to stay up, which we did, comfortably.

The fact the money made from staying up was poorly invested can’t be blamed on the players. Moose & McBurnie did the job asked of them in that first season, scored a respectable amount of goals for two players making a step up (i know not Moose but he hardly got any minutes at Bournemouth). That has to be considered when reviewing them as transfers.
 
WhittingtonBlade said:
I get this view, but that first season the priority would always have been to sign players to stay up, which we did, comfortably.

The fact the money made from staying up was poorly invested can’t be blamed on the players. Moose & McBurnie did the job asked of them in that first season, scored a respectable amount of goals for two players making a step up (i know not Moose but he hardly got any minutes at Bournemouth). That has to be considered when reviewing them as transfers.
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My main point with this is that out of all the players we signed that season only McBurnie and Mousset played regularly. Out starting eleven was nearly always Henderson, Baldock, Basham, O'Connell, Egan, Stevens, Fleck, Lundstram, Norwood, McGoldrick and Mcburnie,/Mousset.

Wilder's signings were squad players not players who made an impact on the starting eleven. The two did play regularly, McBurnie/Mousset only managed 6 goals each. Lundstram and Fleck got 5 goals each but they didn't cost us £27mil.

I can maybe see an argument for Mousset scoring 6 goals for the fee we paid, given that like Campbell he couldn't last 90 minutes, but you'll never convince me that McBurnie was worth the money we paid for him. It's interesting how Premier League teams didn't seem to express interest in signing him after we released him for free. I've never rated him and never will and can never understand the hero worship he got here when he's a bang average player.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
My main point with this is that out of all the players we signed that season only McBurnie and Mousset played regularly. Out starting eleven was nearly always Henderson, Baldock, Basham, O'Connell, Egan, Stevens, Fleck, Lundstram, Norwood, McGoldrick and Mcburnie,/Mousset.

Wilder's signings were squad players not players who made an impact on the starting eleven. The two did play regularly, McBurnie/Mousset only managed 6 goals each. Lundstram and Fleck got 5 goals each but they didn't cost us £27mil.

I can maybe see an argument for Mousset scoring 6 goals for the fee we paid, given that like Campbell he couldn't last 90 minutes, but you'll never convince me that McBurnie was worth the money we paid for him. It's interesting how Premier League teams didn't seem to express interest in signing him after we released him for free. I've never rated him and never will and can never understand the hero worship he got here when he's a bang average player.
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For the record, i absolutely agree with your first 2 paragraphs. I just think we have to be realistic that we paid the going rate for a player such as McBurnie at the time and that first season he delivered what was asked of him before becoming ridiculously injury prone.

I wouldn’t want him back, and not surprised there was no premier league takers for him after we released him. However I do think Moose & McBurnie delivered in that first season enough to justify their costs.

Wilder spunked money elsewhere (Callum Robinson was shite), and that second seasons recruitment was god awful all round, with maybe an exception of Bogle.
 
I wish him well. Big money signing and at the time we were all buzzing at getting THE hottest young striker in the country.

Injuries killed him, stopped his progress and pretty much ended the potential he was showing at Liverpool and England U21 level.
 
WhittingtonBlade said:
For the record, i absolutely agree with your first 2 paragraphs. I just think we have to be realistic that we paid the going rate for a player such as McBurnie at the time and that first season he delivered what was asked of him before becoming ridiculously injury prone.

I wouldn’t want him back, and not surprised there was no premier league takers for him after we released him. However I do think Moose & McBurnie delivered in that first season enough to justify their costs.

Wilder spunked money elsewhere (Callum Robinson was shite), and that second seasons recruitment was god awful all round, with maybe an exception of Bogle.
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In fairness to Wilder I could see what he was trying to do with Robinson. He had Sharp and Didsy up top who had no pace whatsoever, and signed McBurnie and Mousset, where Mousset did give us some pace. Robinson scored 12 goals the previous season mainly from the wing but was rapid. Wilder tried to turn him into a striker to give us more pace up top. It didn't work out but £8mil wasn't a huge outlay. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
In fairness to Wilder I could see what he was trying to do with Robinson. He had Sharp and Didsy up top who had no pace whatsoever, and signed McBurnie and Mousset, where Mousset did give us some pace. Robinson scored 12 goals the previous season mainly from the wing but was rapid. Wilder tried to turn him into a striker to give us more pace up top. It didn't work out but £8mil wasn't a huge outlay. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.
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And we used him to purchase Forrest Gump
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
In fairness to Wilder I could see what he was trying to do with Robinson. He had Sharp and Didsy up top who had no pace whatsoever, and signed McBurnie and Mousset, where Mousset did give us some pace. Robinson scored 12 goals the previous season mainly from the wing but was rapid. Wilder tried to turn him into a striker to give us more pace up top. It didn't work out but £8mil wasn't a huge outlay. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.
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Again I don’t disagree with you, was just a typical wilder square peg in a round hole
 
SwissBlade said:
I was passing an opinion, he’s had a good season I a good side. You disagree and that’s fair enough.

But saying objectively before you make a statement doesn’t make that statement objective 😂
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My opinion isn’t objective, I’m asking for objective reasons why I’m wrong though.
 

I'm not sure wether to get a violin out or put a bandage on my heart. I haven't been a critic of Brewster, like many others I have given him the benefit of time and understanding realising that the injuries weren't his fault and he has put a great deal of work fighting those injuries. I accept that last season he had his best period of games contributing to the team performance, but it certainly wasn't earth shattering. During his VERY well paid contract he no doubt has had the best medical and post injury care available, paid for by the club. Additionally he had not only the support and patience of many of us supporters but the support and patience of Chris Wilder and his team. Despite this, the badge kissing, lovely, smiling, wonderful personality that is Rhian Brewster and his, no doubt, maggot agent wanted to screw the club for more money and/or a longer contract. FFS put the hankies away he is just another typical modern, greedy, over paid footballer with no serious loyalty to anyone except himself. Oh and by the way we don't want him back in a couple of years time!!
 
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