Being spied on by Hull fans...

[itsinyerblood]

This was a very committed Arsenal fan that told me this Dyed in the wool in fact. But it shows the gap between the top end of football and where we are. We will take anyone so long as they pay to come in and want more. But in London in the top end of the Prem (top 4) they are deciding what type of fans they want. So they have looked at it and identified families as bringing in more revenue than the Dyed in the wool fans. So they are targeting the higher revenue fans. Also by bringing in families they have got the fans of the future. Its brutal but business tends to be. Its why I hate the Premier League it destroys everything that built football in the first place and has stolen our (working class which I am) game and given it to the money people upper middle class. Still clubs like ours keep on going, they can't take us all.

I wish they'd apply this sort of demographic weeding to the players they sign. No more Charlie George's, Steven Gerrards, or Paul Gascoigne's, just polytechnic/university book readers who can't control a ball yet can do an interview beautifully. Fortunately this will never happen.

If your description is happening then it's a fucking disgrace. Like you mate, I come from working class stock, but I refused to let my background determine what path my life would take, so just got on with life and followed where it led me.

One day a top club will come crashing down through it's financial recklessness, but whether this sounds a wake up call to the rest of those high and mighty arseholes we'll have to wait and see. For now, clubs like SUFC have their eyes firmly focussed on a place at the top table. You can't blame 'em of course. I hate being in this poxy division, but loyalty and pigheadedness means I stay regardless. When we eventually return to the Premiership, we'll have 15 seconds of rejoicing, followed by god knows how many years of catch-up as we seek to consolidate our position in this division. We'll watch some fucker being paid £50K a week, kiss the badge and not give a monkey's whether we win, lose, or draw. Oh, mustn't forget admission prices that would be the equivalent of between £30-60, all the commemoration trinkets you you could shake a stick at with a price tag to match, new kit that would cost a small fortune, and the words flowing from the club about how much they care.....cynical, moi?

 

[jezzablade]

Hullbloke said;
"We were the forerunners of European football, Yet we had never played competitive football in Europe"

I'm not sure how you equate these two.

Also stated "Hull is a Port and has a massive terminal for the P@O Ferries running in and out of Holland/Europe daily".

No it is a moderate port at best, having worked on all parts of the Humber, the "Massive Terminal" isn't that massive (unless you know some Wendy fans and their definition of Massive applies) there are two in two out per day and hopefully the passenger terminal comes off at some point. Although the wind farm terminal on Alex Dock may make it difficult. Hardly Dover is it?

 

[jezzablade]

I wish they'd apply this sort of demographic weeding to the players they sign. No more Charlie George's, Steven Gerrards, or Paul Gascoigne's, just polytechnic/university book readers who can't control a ball yet can do an interview beautifully. Fortunately this will never happen.

If your description is happening then it's a fucking disgrace. Like you mate, I come from working class stock, but I refused to let my background determine what path my life would take, so just got on with life and followed where it led me.

One day a top club will come crashing down through it's financial recklessness, but whether this sounds a wake up call to the rest of those high and mighty arseholes we'll have to wait and see. For now, clubs like SUFC have their eyes firmly focussed on a place at the top table. You can't blame 'em of course. I hate being in this poxy division, but loyalty and pigheadedness means I stay regardless. When we eventually return to the Premiership, we'll have 15 seconds of rejoicing, followed by god knows how many years of catch-up as we seek to consolidate our position in this division. We'll watch some fucker being paid £50K a week, kiss the badge and not give a monkey's whether we win, lose, or draw. Oh, mustn't forget admission prices that would be the equivalent of between £30-60, all the commemoration trinkets you you could shake a stick at with a price tag to match, new kit that would cost a small fortune, and the words flowing from the club about how much they care.....cynical, moi?

Horrible isn't it that we want a place at the top table but that place has these conditions. Come the revolution brother it will be like Hullbloke described Hull City in the 70's. Or how it used to be for all teams in the 70's. Its a shame that the thugs gave the money people the reason to change the game so that's its more like America. As in the "Ball Game" a product. As our beloved PM of the 80's said there is no such thing as society presumably community as well, the game changes from communities where they came from to corporate entities. Arsenal being what the end result is. It will get worse though as clubs just see everything as a revenue stream.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Horrible isn't it that we want a place at the top table but that place has these conditions. Come the revolution brother it will be like Hullbloke described Hull City in the 70's. Or how it used to be for all teams in the 70's. Its a shame that the thugs gave the money people the reason to change the game so that's its more like America. As in the "Ball Game" a product. As our beloved PM of the 80's said there is no such thing as society presumably community as well, the game changes from communities where they came from to corporate entities. Arsenal being what the end result is. It will get worse though as clubs just see everything as a revenue stream.

Good point about the Americanisation of the game. Arsenal, with all their shiney stadium etc, still didn't consider the plight of residents who live close by. There is, apparently, a curfew in operation for locals who wish to go shopping or whatever. So between certain hours they cannot return and park outside their homes due to crowd and parking issues. At least one thing the yanks do is a comprehensive structural design, so what should have happened at the Emirates is a fuck-off underground parking space for x thousands of cars on match day. Of course, the suits at Arsenal got this wrong, a pity as from a spectator's point of view the stadium offers good, uninterrupted viewing. Never mind, I doubt Stan Kronke(?) will care.

 

[Dkc]

crap attendances all through the 80's and 90's


http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/hulc.htm

 

[borbokis]

What's this then?

 

[Zanzibar]

It came from the esperanto - plastico, and yes, with success comes the sort of false promise of love that fools no one. They travel far and wide, but we are Blades men, we stand with body armour and plastic detectors, and never are fooled by johnny come lately's....and we also demand a full set of information, we may be wonderful but reading minds is not on our list of genetic talents UTB

i thought you were slightly more intelligent than to get drawn into this 'plastic' argument the way you did.
I think that everyone in United's hierarchy would welcome the 30,000 crowd we had the other day.
Obviously you would see a half empty stadium al la Carlisle as vindicating your argument...stop the 'plastics'.
Get used to it. United will have need of the revenue 'plastics' engender if they are to fulfil their potential in future years.
We too will need more capacity if everything turns out the way I hope and a new ground could be on the menu at that time since the Police are unable to handle a 30,000 crowd how would they handle 15000 marauding Mancunians in the future.
Our ground has obvious design faults which could cost United loads in lost finance.
Maybe you'll be forever happy scraping round the bottom divisions as we do now with a few thousand diehards in attendance.
Not me. I look to the future.

 

[Kenilworth]

Hullbloke said;
"We were the forerunners of European football, Yet we had never played competitive football in Europe"

I'm not sure how you equate these two.

Also stated "Hull is a Port and has a massive terminal for the P@O Ferries running in and out of Holland/Europe daily".

No it is a moderate port at best, having worked on all parts of the Humber, the "Massive Terminal" isn't that massive (unless you know some Wendy fans and their definition of Massive applies) there are two in two out per day and hopefully the passenger terminal comes off at some point. Although the wind farm terminal on Alex Dock may make it difficult. Hardly Dover is it?

Did you not quite enjoy your time in Hull then Jezza?

 

[itsinyerblood]

i thought you were slightly more intelligent than to get drawn into this 'plastic' argument the way you did.
I think that everyone in United's hierarchy would welcome the 30,000 crowd we had the other day.
Obviously you would see a half empty stadium al la Carlisle as vindicating your argument...stop the 'plastics'.
Get used to it. United will have need of the revenue 'plastics' engender if they are to fulfil their potential in future years.
We too will need more capacity if everything turns out the way I hope and a new ground could be on the menu at that time since the Police are unable to handle a 30,000 crowd how would they handle 15000 marauding Mancunians in the future.
Our ground has obvious design faults which could cost United loads in lost finance.
Maybe you'll be forever happy scraping round the bottom divisions as we do now with a few thousand diehards in attendance.
Not me. I look to the future.

Oh dear, do lighten up fella.....these exchanges aren't biblical tracts about what is or isn't correct, they sometimes include humour, even if it's a poor attempt or speaks to those with a humour bypass.

To be honest I couldn't give a toss about 'plastics' or any other affected term. What I care about are a set of values that I regard as meaningful. If you choose to think there's some type of desperate allegiance to scrabbling around the lower regions about any of this then you're wrong mate. So please take a chill-out pill brother, if you've read other posts by myself you should get an idea that I am completely grounded about what's ahead for the Blades, but none of this prevents me from sticking my oar in once or thrice when I feel in the mood. UTB

 

[Tyger tyger...]

,Hi everyone, I like the look of your site, especially the "down memory lane thread", there's plenty of sites that could learn a thing or two from on here.
jezza, not too sure what your problem is with Hull, but you're not making a very good attempt at masking it .
Football crowds come and go at every club in the land, shiny new stadiums are not the main reason either, (just ask Darlington fans!), so called plastics, band wagon jumpers, glory boys, exist at every club, fans come through the door when a team starts doing well (relatively speaking), and they fade away when results start to slide, that's life, so it could be seen as "small-time" to start plucking crowd stats from last century, it almost always leads to "mine is bigger than yours" style arguments which I could carry on with but wont at this moment in time.
The KC was built for the benefit of the people of Hull and was almost entirely funded by money raised from the sale of shares in the the people of Hull owned company, Kingston Communications, so it certainly wasn't free, (as you have previously stated), Hull City football club don't own it, we are merely tenants and nor are we the only sports team to play there, it has and will continue to be used for other events, even Yorkshire have played a 20-20 match there, I believe there are even plans afoot to stage a polo tournament there (sadly). Hopefully you'll be happier to hear that it wasn't built on the fairground and Hull Fair still takes place where it always has.
If anyone out there is still reading, I know its still a long way off, but how do you see the match going? I've always rated Young Mr Clough and was surprised at how long he was at Burton before a more established club came calling for him.
At the time, I thought Derby were mugs to get rid of him, I then thought they were even bigger mugs when they brought in McLaren, but their results since would seem to show they may have been right to do so, although I actually believe that NC deserves a lot of credit for whats happening there now.
Cheers

 

[Zanzibar]

Oh dear, do lighten up fella.....these exchanges aren't biblical tracts about what is or isn't correct, they sometimes include humour, even if it's a poor attempt or speaks to those with a humour bypass.

To be honest I couldn't give a toss about 'plastics' or any other affected term. What I care about are a set of values that I regard as meaningful. If you choose to think there's some type of desperate allegiance to scrabbling around the lower regions about any of this then you're wrong mate. So please take a chill-out pill brother, if you've read other posts by myself you should get an idea that I am completely grounded about what's ahead for the Blades, but none of this prevents me from sticking my oar in once or thrice when I feel in the mood. UTB

I'm not your brother...don't want to be your brother. You sound too irate to like so I'll just plough on giving my own slant on things without maybe an acidic reply from an intellectual such as yourself.
It's you who mentioned body armour and plastic detectors....you much be much younger than you've sounded previously.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'm sure there's loads of Blades fans that would trade history and community for some silverware and Prem footy, I'm just not one of them.

If we never saw the Prem again I'd not lose any sleep.

If we win the FA Cup I'll be pissed for a month.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I'm not your brother...don't want to be your brother. You sound too irate to like so I'll just plough on giving my own slant on things without maybe an acidic reply from an intellectual such as yourself.
It's you who mentioned body armour and plastic detectors....you much be much younger than you've sounded previously.

Another oh dear....I wasn't actually asking you and I to create a sibling thread, but you obviously adopted a literal interpretation.

Don't get the hump mate (oops, there I go assuming again, silly me), there are far, far more important things than you or are exchanging mails about this or that. Thanks for the intellectual comment, but methinks it's you who is indulging in the catty comments. Never mind, you have the high-minded flag so wave it for all you're worth. Once we arrive at the holy land you can hold your head up high and remind us who foresaw the future correctly.

 

[jezzablade]

Did you not quite enjoy your time in Hull then Jezza?

I have been in and out of Hull for long periods since the age of sixteen. My only beef is with the football side of things. Its not a place I wanted to live in but parts of Hull are okay. The Avenues were okay (Hully Gullies know where they are) and I enjoyed College there when I was sixteen.

As you may have picked up on I have a problem with football being taken away from its community. I believe football grew up from the community and therefore should reflect that. Pop up stadia do not reflect that, and it doesn't matter how the Hully Gullies try to say it there was a marked change in their club from when they had their natural home and the KC. It was terrible for Darlington and the reason that failed was they owned it. Their chairman was a crook and went to jail for it, i.e. it should never have happened.

The KC as admitted by Tyger Tyger, was through the sale of Kingston Communications (despite what Hullbloke said) that got them the stadium. That's my beef it wasn't brought on through the community it was through having white phone boxes, i.e whatever pressure Hullbloke claims these militant Hull fans put on the council they would not have got the KC if it wasn't for white phone boxes (Kingston Communications). For over twenty years (more than just a blip) they have crap crowds and when you look back at their history they have around 6000 with blips where it goes up for a while in the early 50's and early 70's which shows their natural community is a sub 10,000 crowd with three or four years of good crowds if they have a purple patch. And that's fine I like York City a lot and would never call them on their crowds. But there is this sudden rise when they get the new stadium. This is not community driven it is luck and worse than that its a soulless stadium with very little character so further away from the community. They owned Boothferry it was their home and had they got to where they are now through that, I would have been one of their biggest admirers especially as I spent a significant amount of my life there. As stated earlier in the thread the way football is being removed from the communities and turned into a product is a sad departure from how football was created, it is personified in the KC. That's my Beef.

 

[ryza]

I bloody hope they expect it to be a walkover.

 

[Kenilworth]

I have been in and out of Hull for long periods since the age of sixteen. My only beef is with the football side of things. Its not a place I wanted to live in but parts of Hull are okay. The Avenues were okay (Hully Gullies know where they are) and I enjoyed College there when I was sixteen.

As you may have picked up on I have a problem with football being taken away from its community. I believe football grew up from the community and therefore should reflect that. Pop up stadia do not reflect that, and it doesn't matter how the Hully Gullies try to say it there was a marked change in their club from when they had their natural home and the KC. It was terrible for Darlington and the reason that failed was they owned it. Their chairman was a crook and went to jail for it, i.e. it should never have happened.

The KC as admitted by Tyger Tyger, was through the sale of Kingston Communications (despite what Hullbloke said) that got them the stadium. That's my beef it wasn't brought on through the community it was through having white phone boxes, i.e whatever pressure Hullbloke claims these militant Hull fans put on the council they would not have got the KC if it wasn't for white phone boxes (Kingston Communications). For over twenty years (more than just a blip) they have crap crowds and when you look back at their history they have around 6000 with blips where it goes up for a while in the early 50's and early 70's which shows their natural community is a sub 10,000 crowd with three or four years of good crowds if they have a purple patch. And that's fine I like York City a lot and would never call them on their crowds. But there is this sudden rise when they get the new stadium. This is not community driven it is luck and worse than that its a soulless stadium with very little character so further away from the community. They owned Boothferry it was their home and had they got to where they are now through that, I would have been one of their biggest admirers especially as I spent a significant amount of my life there. As stated earlier in the thread the way football is being removed from the communities and turned into a product is a sad departure from how football was created, it is personified in the KC. That's my Beef.

OK OK
I was only asking

 

[Tyger tyger...]

Sigh!
jezza, it was brought on by the community as it was paid for by selling off a community owned business, you have previously tried to infer that somehow our crowds went up from circa 4k to circa 18k overnight, this is a mistaken view on your part, for several seasons prior to the move our crowds were on the increase, once the much maligned Christopher Needler was removed fans started coming back, the last two seasons at Boothferry many games were in fact a "home sellout".
Not too sure how far back you are prepared to go trawling in your hunt for "plastic fans", but it maybe worth noting that Bramhall Lane was once a new stadium.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Sigh!
jezza, it was brought on by the community as it was paid for by selling off a community owned business, you have previously tried to infer that somehow our crowds went up from circa 4k to circa 18k overnight, this is a mistaken view on your part, for several seasons prior to the move our crowds were on the increase, once the much maligned Christopher Needler was removed fans started coming back, the last two seasons at Boothferry many games were in fact a "home sellout".
Not too sure how far back you are prepared to go trawling in your hunt for "plastic fans", but it maybe worth noting that Bramhall Lane was once a new stadium.

BDTBL was in fact a new stadium at one point (1850/60s I think) but it is the worlds oldest professional sports stadium

 

[Silent Blade]

BDTBL was in fact a new stadium at one point (1850/60s I think) but it is the worlds oldest professional sports stadium

1855

 

[Tyger tyger...]

Don't think that'll be far enough back for you all to avoid being called "plastics" in some peoples eyes

 

[itsinyerblood]

Don't think that'll be far enough back for you all to avoid being called "plastics" in some peoples eyes

What, even if we told you that Jesus stopped off here on his world tour?

 

[jezzablade]

Sigh!
jezza, it was brought on by the community as it was paid for by selling off a community owned business, you have previously tried to infer that somehow our crowds went up from circa 4k to circa 18k overnight, this is a mistaken view on your part, for several seasons prior to the move our crowds were on the increase, once the much maligned Christopher Needler was removed fans started coming back, the last two seasons at Boothferry many games were in fact a "home sellout".
Not too sure how far back you are prepared to go trawling in your hunt for "plastic fans", but it maybe worth noting that Bramhall Lane was once a new stadium.

Please explain how the community forced the sale to get the stadium. Did the "community" run the phones as no one asked me about technical needs and pricing policy of the phones whilst I was there. In what way was it community run? basically the way it was reported at the time was the the council were selling KC and Hull gets a stadium out of it. as regards the Blades the stadium already existed and the community wanted a football team. so the board that ran Bramall Lane relented (as they preferred cricket) and the community got what it wanted.Sorry for not writing what emotion your comments brought on at the beginning.

 

[Tyger tyger...]

Where did I say it was community run jezza? It was community owned, we owned it, (many of us still do in the form of shares) and the council ran it on our behalf. The reference to Bramhall Lane was tongue in cheek, apologies if that passed you by

 

[jezzablade]

Where did I say it was community run jezza? It was community owned, we owned it, (many of us still do in the form of shares) and the council ran it on our behalf. The reference to Bramhall Lane was tongue in cheek, apologies if that passed you by

Perhaps you should have written another emotion next to it. sorry but you somehow intermated that the community forced the building of the KC.

 

[Tyger tyger...]

Where did I intermate that jezza? if I did then it was unintentional, I cant find it?

 

[jezzablade]

Where did I intermate that jezza? if I did then it was unintentional, I cant find it?

I'll give you some help!
"It was brought on by the community" I was trying to find out how the community brought it on. Did the community force the sale did the community force the council to sell KC how did the community bring on this?

 

[Northyorksblade]

[QUOTE="Tyger tyger..., post: 583663, member:
Not too sure how far back you are prepared to go trawling in your hunt for "plastic fans", but it maybe worth noting that Bramhall Lane was once a new stadium. [/QUOTE]
Where? Never heard of it

 

[Jonboy60]

I could pick out the scant over bits but since you are a decent bloke I will leave it. Quinny I liked him especially towards the end of his career with ourselves. He is a very good Championship player and hoped he could make it in the Prem however he seems to be a bit part with City. He ran our midfield towards the end of his time with us, however his style wouldn't fit Cloughy's style as it is more speed passes and direct running rather than his buzzing style. He could do the defensive bit but it would be a waste for him as he has an attacking part of his game.

Thank's anyway for the history lesson, I didn't realise that Hull were a powerhouse of football in the 70's and that they "all" came back three years after you got into the KC. It was a shame with you not being a rugby town that this throng didn't back you whilst you were struggling with poor crowds for over two decades. Its a shame they all went to Wembley instead to watch Hull v KR and placed a sign on the roundabout saying "last out turn out the lights". They must have all wished they were watching "City " there.
Also nice to know that the KC was not in any way funded by the sale of Kingston Communications, it was all the council investment, due to pressure, interesting. How did they fund the £45Mill was it a mortgage or from the coffers?
Just to mention I lived in Hull in '82 the lecturer at the college (who was from Leeds but lived there due to the nautical college on George Street and still lives in Hessle), told all us young un's on our first day that there are two rugby clubs to follow if we want something to do and his words "I've heard there's a football club as well if any of you are interested" which was strange from a bloke that organised our footy team for the college. His comments must have been jealous sarcasm due to Hull's illustrious recent history of huge crowds.

An here's me thinking you weren't going to pick out the scant bits. Lol

 

[Tyger tyger...]

jezza-" That's my beef it wasn't brought on through the community it was through having white phone boxes,".
Was just trying to answer what you had wrote earlier, see the above sentence, "by"," through", sheesh whats the difference among friends

 

[Tyger tyger...]

North yorks, soz about that, most unusual for us Umbersarders, we usually drop H's not add them