Outgoing? Chris Wilder

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My opinion was that wilder is refusing to help the current regime create player profiles, or at least give realistic ones outside of “British and hard as fuck” for AI to do its stuff.

Now I’m just thinking there’s something wrong within the structure of the new owners and the AI system so much so it’s just picking up Bulgarian league players. He said British…. British.

“Ohhhh” they say “we thought you said Bulgarian and fast as fuck”
 

HeySethUTB said:
My opinion was that wilder is refusing to help the current regime create player profiles, or at least give realistic ones outside of “British and hard as fuck” for AI to do its stuff.

Now I’m just thinking there’s something wrong within the structure of the new owners and the AI system so much so it’s just picking up Bulgarian league players. He said British…. British.

“Ohhhh” they say “we thought you said Bulgarian and fast as fuck”
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They probably just said to Wilder, put the Peroni down for a moment and consider that there are players beyond the UK.
 
I think some of the negativity surrounding the AI signings from abroad unfairly stems from signing the likes of Traore, Slimani and Grbic the other year.

The most recent 3 are clearly development players, but if the owners want to take us to the Premier league clearly they will need to sign a higher calibre of player whether from the UK or abroad. Let's see what happens
 
Honestly think we have to broaden our recruitment. If that means using AI to determine some players let them do it.

Happy we're linked with a DoF but not too happy who we're linked with, and we all remember the Van Winckel debacle. If Chris can't change his approach on it and only wants players he's wanted for past 3 years, we need a change.
 
bladesmanluke said:
I think some of the negativity surrounding the AI signings from abroad unfairly stems from signing the likes of Traore, Slimani and Grbic the other year.

The most recent 3 are clearly development players, but if the owners want to take us to the Premier league clearly they will need to sign a higher calibre of player whether from the UK or abroad. Let's see what happens
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Signing proven Championship players will always produce better outcomes on the pitch than signing unknown players from Europe, AI or no AI. The names you've listed show how difficult it is. Every signing through that method is a gamble, and any players out there who are truly good enough for where we want/expect to be, will surely be on the radar of proper clubs with proper scouting networks already. It may unearth the odd gem obviously, but the best we could hope for really is to pick up cheap players that turn a profit.

As fans, I think we should definitely have a preference for proven Championship players (or even top end League One players), than European punts (we can have both!). Yet some are talking as though these signings are a bad thing. Football fans have gone mad. It seems more important to some people these days to have rich owners, "classy" managers, foreign players and play out from the back, rather than have good players and actually enjoy watching your team.
 
Working Class Hero said:
rather than have good players and actually enjoy watching your team.
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Herein lies part of the issue. We had good players last year but I certainly didn't enjoy watching them that much 🙃

(But I agree with your general points)

A mix of good, proven, domestic players with a sprinkling of relative unknowns/gambles is ideal for me. The problem being proven domestic players aren't cheap, nor do they always provide value. I think for long term sustainability we need to look to develop players, whether that's picking them up young from the UK or picking them up cheaply from the continent. There a balance to be found there - as well as blending them with some experienced heads.
 
Working Class Hero said:
Signing proven Championship players will always produce better outcomes on the pitch than signing unknown players from Europe, AI or no AI. The names you've listed show how difficult it is. Every signing through that method is a gamble, and any players out there who are truly good enough for where we want/expect to be, will surely be on the radar of proper clubs with proper scouting networks already. It may unearth the odd gem obviously, but the best we could hope for really is to pick up cheap players that turn a profit.

As fans, I think we should definitely have a preference for proven Championship players (or even top end League One players), than European punts (we can have both!). Yet some are talking as though these signings are a bad thing. Football fans have gone mad. It seems more important to some people these days to have rich owners, "classy" managers, foreign players and play out from the back, rather than have good players and actually enjoy watching your team.
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Turning our nose up at proven, solid top end championship players who'd basically guarantee another top 6 probably top 4 finish is laughable when an alternative approach carries a high risk of dropping a long way down the table

We need to sign those top end championship players as long as we're in a position to
 
Makes me wonder from Wit and el accounto posts if the owners are trying to dismiss Wilder on chargers of gross misconduct by bringing the clubs name into disrepute?

That could allow them to dismiss him with say just 3months notice and save on another big payout.

If there was anything in that hypothesis it’s because of their own naivety in giving him a contract extension so quickly.

But it’s all speculation in my head.
 
Bladesman said:
They probably just said to Wilder, put the Peroni down for a moment and consider that there are players beyond the UK.
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And it was in that moment wilder swept all the laptops and paper from the boardroom table, mounted it, pulled out a peroni from his back pocket and sang “send em, send em home, send em, send em home” to the tune of sausage rohl.

Safe to say Elmy, Steve, Des and Ai were pissed off. We need Gary said Des, Ai “beeped” in agreement.

What about Nancy? Chaos ball, he’s black French and pacy btw remarked Steve.

The door bursts open - Whaaaaa tha faccck is going on in here ssssssss said snake Bettis
 
Would anyone else rather we signed players for the here and now rather than ones for future, every time we sign ones for l future starting in 07 seems to impact on us.
 
Blade56 said:
Makes me wonder from Wit and el accounto posts if the owners are trying to dismiss Wilder on chargers of gross misconduct by bringing the clubs name into disrepute?

That could allow them to dismiss him with say just 3months notice and save on another big payout.

If there was anything in that hypothesis it’s because of their own naivety in giving him a contract extension so quickly.

But it’s all speculation in my head.
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The new contract would have had numerous break clauses in it and been based upon incentives on promotion etc. I very much doubt it will cost us any more money to offload him as he did not succeeed.
 
Bladeslad89 said:
There’s no way Wilder gets us anywhere near 9th in the premier league ever again. That was an anomaly and I will be forever grateful, not saying O’Neil is the answer either. We’re at a crossroads I feel and whatever the decision is scary either way 😬 Never a dull moment being a Blade 🔴⚪️⚔️
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So when he does something right it's an anomaly, but when he gets something wrong he needs sacking.
And there we are again with manipulating facts to support a flawed argument.
 

Pollingtonblade said:
Would anyone else rather we signed players for the here and now rather than ones for future, every time we sign ones for l future starting in 07 seems to impact on us.
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It's a fine mix of both IMO. Although I think wilder will just want to stick to the English lads and ones he's previously worked with for ease.
 
Nick Jansky said:
If the money is there I’d quite like both, as other successful clubs do.
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My worry is that these young development players are also blockers for our academy. We've got a proven model there that's working. So far, no evidence that the ai model works (it's far too early I know).
 
alcoblade said:
My worry is that these young development players are also blockers for our academy. We've got a proven model there that's working. So far, no evidence that the ai model works (it's far too early I know).
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I'd disagree. We've seen as much recent success producing players whom we've signed from elsewhere and put into the development team as we have seen producing our own players from scratch. Ndiaye, David Brooks, Peck, One, Baptiste. All of these were signed as development players and yet no one moaned that they blocked our academy.

We're potentially looking to use AI to identify more young prospects for the future from foreign markets whom we can develop into first team players like the afore mentioned players. We're widening our net and trying to bring something different to the club. We're also bringing in players who have already tasted competitive league football regularly, so that puts them ahead of the current crop as they just need bringing up to speed on the demands of the Championship. We're more likely to see these in the first team sooner than the likes of Hampson, Blacker and Tinsdale etc...

I'd love to see Marsh in the squad next season but I feel that last season hampered his progression and we may lose him before he really had a chance due to this. I just can't see him getting into a squad where we already have 5 strikers ahead of him in the pecking order.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd disagree. We've seen as much recent success producing players whom we've signed from elsewhere and put into the development team as we have seen producing our own players from scratch. Ndiaye, David Brooks, Peck, One, Baptiste. All of these were signed as development players and yet no one moaned that they blocked our academy.

We're potentially looking to use AI to identify more young prospects for the future from foreign markets whom we can develop into first team players like the afore mentioned players. We're widening our net and trying to bring something different to the club. We're also bringing in players who have already tasted competitive league football regularly, so that puts them ahead of the current crop as they just need bringing up to speed on the demands of the Championship. We're more likely to see these in the first team sooner than the likes of Hampson, Blacker and Tinsdale etc...

I'd love to see Marsh in the squad next season but I feel that last season hampered his progression and we may lose him before he really had a chance due to this. I just can't see him getting into a squad where we already have 5 strikers ahead of him in the pecking order.
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I've no problem feeding the academy with players from elsewhere, and using ai for it if necessary. The player we've just signed (and the other two - 19, 22 and 20) are beyond academy age.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd disagree. We've seen as much recent success producing players whom we've signed from elsewhere and put into the development team as we have seen producing our own players from scratch. Ndiaye, David Brooks, Peck, One, Baptiste. All of these were signed as development players and yet no one moaned that they blocked our academy.

We're potentially looking to use AI to identify more young prospects for the future from foreign markets whom we can develop into first team players like the afore mentioned players. We're widening our net and trying to bring something different to the club. We're also bringing in players who have already tasted competitive league football regularly, so that puts them ahead of the current crop as they just need bringing up to speed on the demands of the Championship. We're more likely to see these in the first team sooner than the likes of Hampson, Blacker and Tinsdale etc...

I'd love to see Marsh in the squad next season but I feel that last season hampered his progression and we may lose him before he really had a chance due to this. I just can't see him getting into a squad where we already have 5 strikers ahead of him in the pecking order.
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Agreed, mate
But 5 in front of marsh
Campbell, can't say anything wrong about the lad but we need to get him to 90 minutes
Cannon, there's a player in there we just need to find it ,and the dogs abuse he's suffered is wrong
Moore, honestly I was excited at this signing but he's a shadow of the players from even 2 year's ago ( turns out he's another aging player on a last payday)
One like marsh learning his trade
Brewster, love the lads passion but he needs a club where he can start again and rebuild his career, probably league 1
 
For all our moans about recruitment and jokes about ex players, I agree we need to move with the times but Mepham , Dunne and Mcburnie would all get into the first 11 imho !
As ever UTB !
 
It is far more likely to gain promotion from any league if your team has players who are experienced to that league.
One or 2 'wild cards' can be great. Wilder knows this I think and I doubt he is not on board with it. He has happily gambled on players like Mousset in the past. I don't see much difference with any A1 suggestions.
OK, most won't work, but some might and the route is worth exploring, as long as it doesn't cloud the thinking or take over too much.
I don't think for one second though the owners intend to make sweeping changes to anything.
I could be proved wrong in the next few days though.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd disagree. We've seen as much recent success producing players whom we've signed from elsewhere and put into the development team as we have seen producing our own players from scratch.
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Jefferson is a bit too old to be lumped in with that bracket of "academy signings"
 
The obvious bunch:

Dunne, Kenny, Mepham, Worrall, Darling, Doyle, Rothwell, Dolan, McBurnie, Riis, etc

Would all be solid 7/10 minimum signings who'd ensure we continue to compete towards the top of this division - which should clearly never be taken for granted at all
 
AaronSufc said:
This needs sorting, either a statement out backing him or get rid and get the new manager in place.. we dont want to get behind on pre season etc by dragging on this decision.
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A statement backing him would definitely mean that he's a gonner
 
BrayfordsBushyBeard said:
For all our moans about recruitment and jokes about ex players, I agree we need to move with the times but Mepham , Dunne and Mcburnie would all get into the first 11 imho !
As ever UTB !
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But I'd also argue that none of those are good enough for the top flight. But they'd all still be on our books with likely another 2 years left on their contracts.
 
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