New Manager ?

[Netsix_and_chill]

I reckon he’s staying until end of Oct (12 games). They’ll review again then if not in top 2.

I suspect this is right but is the worst possible decision I think. It means if someone new does come in they get no preseason and have to build a team from someone else's players. Either do it or don't do it but make a decision either way and stick to it for the whole season

 

[Netsix_and_chill]

Has he been sacked yet? There's more crap on this thread than the pigs takeover thread. Have we not learned to not believe anything until there's an official announcement yet? Not saying it won't happen, but all of the news outlets seem to have been wrong so far, now we've got stories being made up about infighting with no substance.

Did joke the other day that the takeover rumours we got every transfer window to distract from transfer activity under the last ownership have been replaced by manager changes under the new ownership

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think sacking Wilder now is a big gamble and will split the fan base

It won’t split any more than it already is. It has been split since the awful decision to bring him back. That’s where the big mistake was made.

The next manager is on a hiding to nothing because of this. Even if they take us up, there will be those saying that Wilder would have taken us up better. The scrutiny will be intense and some won’t cut them any slack for anything. There will still be some agitating for Wilder to come back for a 3rd term, like the pigs who still call for Megson.

Wilder casts too big a shadow over the club in a way that has become very unhealthy. That’s going to hang around for a good while, so the sooner he goes the better, and we can start the long process of moving away from it into the next era. It won’t be without pain, but sometimes needs must.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Wherever you stand on the debate what's changed in three weeks?

Nothing. That's a daft amount of time to kill in a relatively short off season. I don't know how anyone on any side of the fence can be fine with that.

Unless they've said. Take a break, have some time to come up with your 25/26 strategy, present it to us and we'll take it from there...

 

[Dkc]

It won’t split any more than it already is. It has been split since the awful decision to bring him back. That’s where the big mistake was made.

The next manager is on a hiding to nothing because of this. Even if they take us up, there will be those saying that Wilder would have taken us up better. The scrutiny will be intense and some won’t cut them any slack for anything. There will still be some agitating for Wilder to come back for a 3rd term, like the pigs who still call for Megson.

Wilder casts too big a shadow over the club in a way that has become very unhealthy. That’s going to hang around for a good while, so the sooner he goes the better, and we can start the long process of moving away from it into the next era. It won’t be without pain, but sometimes needs must.

Totally disagree. Wilder is the best Blades manager of my lifetime. Sure he has his faults but he's only human. He's given us our pride back. He still gets results. He's built this squad and knows the players. He's nothing like Megson results and performance-wise

Rolling the dice at this stage, getting a new manager in who will probably want a new backroom staff and new players, seems like backward thinking when we already have the best-performing manager in the Championship on a three year contract.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Totally disagree. Wilder is the best Blades manager of my lifetime. Sure he has his faults but he's only human. He's given us our pride back. He still gets results. He's built this squad and knows the players. He's nothing like Megson results and performance-wise

Rolling the dice at this stage, getting a new manager in who will probably want a new backroom staff and new players, seems like backward thinking when we already have the best-performing manager in the Championship on a three year contract.

You can disagree all you like, it’s all about opinions. But if things go in the direction I think they will I will stand by every part of my post about how some fans will react (in my view, an very noisy minority who are trapped in the past) and we’ll see who’s right. I will hope the owners see the noise for what it is and disregard it.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Unless they've said. Take a break, have some time to come up with your 25/26 strategy, present it to us and we'll take it from there...

8 weeks today the season starts. I think some of our 'issues' last season came from not having a good enough squad early enough even though relegation was obviously coming 12 months in advance. Not going up was always a strong possibility this season so surely pre planning should be done well before the summer?! At least the broad outline of a plan!

 

[Dkc]

You can disagree all you like, it’s all about opinions. But if things go in the direction I think they will I will stand by every part of my post about how some fans will react (in my view, an very noisy minority who are trapped in the past) and we’ll see who’s right. I will hope the owners see the noise for what it is and disregard it.

Do you really think that Blades fans who don't think we should sack the Championship's best-performing manager five months into a three-year contract are a 'very noisy minority trapped in the past'?

 

[Norwood's 6 iron]

It won’t split any more than it already is. It has been split since the awful decision to bring him back. That’s where the big mistake was made.

The next manager is on a hiding to nothing because of this. Even if they take us up, there will be those saying that Wilder would have taken us up better. The scrutiny will be intense and some won’t cut them any slack for anything. There will still be some agitating for Wilder to come back for a 3rd term, like the pigs who still call for Megson.

Wilder casts too big a shadow over the club in a way that has become very unhealthy. That’s going to hang around for a good while, so the sooner he goes the better, and we can start the long process of moving away from it into the next era. It won’t be without pain, but sometimes needs must.

This is a real problem now, and after the debacle of our last season in the Premiership I've been surprised at how divided our fan base is.
Even if we win promotion next season the anti Wilder fans will still want him out.
So you are correct when you say we might have to go through some pain before the fans are united again.

 

[Silky Sabella]

It won’t split any more than it already is. It has been split since the awful decision to bring him back. That’s where the big mistake was made.

The next manager is on a hiding to nothing because of this. Even if they take us up, there will be those saying that Wilder would have taken us up better. The scrutiny will be intense and some won’t cut them any slack for anything. There will still be some agitating for Wilder to come back for a 3rd term, like the pigs who still call for Megson.

Wilder casts too big a shadow over the club in a way that has become very unhealthy. That’s going to hang around for a good while, so the sooner he goes the better, and we can start the long process of moving away from it into the next era. It won’t be without pain, but sometimes needs must.

Excellent post Jansky, especially the final paragraph

 

[steve26272]

Totally disagree. Wilder is the best Blades manager of my lifetime. Sure he has his faults but he's only human. He's given us our pride back. He still gets results. He's built this squad and knows the players. He's nothing like Megson results and performance-wise

Rolling the dice at this stage, getting a new manager in who will probably want a new backroom staff and new players, seems like backward thinking when we already have the best-performing manager in the Championship on a three year contract.

Was the best manager, was.

Wilder Mk1 totally agree

Wilder Mk2 has cost us £500k in fines, mocked a fellow professional pissed up on a pub table, stuck by Robbo when absolutely no one else could see why, resulting in us throwing away autos then promotion via play offs

It’s a shame cos wilder prior to Covid was about as good as it gets, not just for us but UK football

Now it’s time to move on, but be eternally grateful for his 1st spell.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

History tells us Sheffield United and planning aren't usually compatible

 

[54yrblade]

It won’t split any more than it already is. It has been split since the awful decision to bring him back. That’s where the big mistake was made.

The next manager is on a hiding to nothing because of this. Even if they take us up, there will be those saying that Wilder would have taken us up better. The scrutiny will be intense and some won’t cut them any slack for anything. There will still be some agitating for Wilder to come back for a 3rd term, like the pigs who still call for Megson.

Wilder casts too big a shadow over the club in a way that has become very unhealthy. That’s going to hang around for a good while, so the sooner he goes the better, and we can start the long process of moving away from it into the next era. It won’t be without pain, but sometimes needs must.

Hard agree with all this.

Whatever happens, and I believe they'll sack him, the Wilder/ ownership dynamic has shifted dramatically. I get the feeling he's not dealing with someone who was in awe of him and then handed him the reigns, but now dealing with people who expect more and are comfortable to extend that power.

There's been enough said in the last year to suggest that Wilder has an element of control across the club that may mean the decision on his future might also have an impact on other areas of the club, and could be the reason for it taking so much time to bottom out, along with identifying and laying the ground out for a successor.

He's really not helped himself. I watched the post derby match presser again yesterday. It's all about us v Wednesday, and was a venting of steam about his personal passion for beating them. His 'pashun' is a problem, and when it's up, he seems incapable of control and professionalism.

Time to move on from 'my club, my citeh' , and drink involved antics to clear minds, less embarrassment and excessive background noise from him and those with a personal vested interest in him staying.

 

[Youngand70]

Lack of money has generally being our issue over the years I've supported the club. When we have had money it's usually gone wrong for various reasons like McDonald just started selling everyone after we didn't go up within a season. We spent some decent money under The Prince but Covid hit and some of the signings didn't give value like Brewster and Mcburnie, although the latter played a key part under Hecky in getting promoted back.

The bit on Wilder managing the club rather than just the team I can see why that's not the modern way like what Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton have achieved. But their recruitment models, Brentford and Brightons in particular, cost an awful lot of time and money. I'm all for us matching that but I believe that their manages still have a major say in recruitment whereas Wilder has clearly no signed those three AI players. The new manager if Wilder goes needs to have a knowledge of foreign markets in my view if that's the market we're looking at more.

I think sacking Wilder now is a big gamble and will split the fan base but ultimately if we get promoted next season then we'll all be happy whoever is in charge. But this is coming season is our best chance of promotion, if we blow it with a poor appointment then we could be adrift from the PL and it's riches for a long time and will the owners have the patience and backing to fund the inevitable losses.

I must admit I agree with the majority of what you say. I was a fan of Wilder Mk1 and his track record throughout his carreer is worthy of a lot credit and thanks. I'm afraid I have gone right off Wilder Mk2 for many reasons, without repeating what I and many others have said.

Regarding the other recruitment models, yes they have taken time and money, but I feel looking back at our previous owners who didn't have the resources to take us forward, I feel we now, hopefully we have that opportunity to start the process.

I do believe that the club structure needs to have a Director of Football/Sporting Director with a "coach" who is fully committed to the structure including AI. Who ever that coach is his main responsibilities should be "coaching" the team and "team selection". I also feel that the "coach" should have some input to recruitment, not a "veto" or "if I don't agree I'm packing my bags" syndrome. The "coach" should have a clear "job description" that he agrees to and signs up to. That job description should also involve promoting the club in a positive manner at all times, including controlling/managing his players especially on match days. Costing the club £445,500 in fines isn't going to attract sponsors or further investment.

What ever the outcome in the near future wether it is to fire Wilder or not, to employ or not employ a new "coach" then it certainly is a gamble and in some respects a "catch 22" situation.

Like football generally, time and time again it surprises us, coaches and players who look nailed on to succeed fail and vica versa.

 

[TJ blade]

I reckon he’s staying until end of Oct (12 games). They’ll review again then if not in top 2.

I reckon they'll fck him off! Off the field antics, supported by stupid fines.and maybe what might settle it is his fck up at Wembley, maybe the owners would like utd to be seen in a bit more professional manner.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

The board don't like the word developing. They expected them to go straight in the team because they were AI sourced. There's the difference of opinion in a nutshell. The AI lad who came this week CW welcomed him & said the development word. Oh dear !

Where have you got that from? Unless you have an ITK at boardroom level then this is merely speculation. I doubt very much that they expect these players to go straight into the first team or we'd have see the Peruvian lad in the squad every game from January to the end of the season.

I think they'll more likely expect us to develop the players to one day see them in the starting lineup in future seasons, just like we did with Ndiaye.

As for Wilder commenting on the new lad, the media will have asked him to comment on the signing and he gave a box standard cut and paste answer that pretty much said and revealed nothing, other than he hopes to develop him.

Until we see how this summer plays out for all of our signings any comment on our AI recruitment is just ignorant speculation. We might recruit some with and some without. We might only use it to identify future potential to develop. We might indeed use it for all signings. We don't know yet as it hasn't happened. So far we've signed three players using it, all of whom are young and have time to be coached and developed into first team players for next season and beyond, though that may depend on which division we're in.

 

[Booker4]

I've said my bit like most have now and I want Wilder to stay. If he does go though I'd definitely have Dave Challinor from Stockport high up on the list. His record is very impressive. He'll know the efl well obviously and has a proven record of success.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I reckon he’s staying until end of Oct (12 games). They’ll review again then if not in top 2.

That depends on what their focus is for next season. They might be looking at the infrastructure and long term future development of a first team capable of going up and staying up. They may be more patient than previous owners and not view immediate promotion as the be all and end all to define each season. Our last owners needed promotion as they no longer had the financial means to support any financial short comings themselves. Our new owners appear to be the opposite so they may well support us financially while we build for the future over a couple of seasons.

Why go up with a team that contains only 4-5 players capable of playing in the Premier League where signing 6-7 players of that calibre would cost a fortune, when you could bring in 2-3 of this standard player each season for the next 2-3 seasons where you could then go up, not have to spend as much, or spend large to bring in the remainder and sign the same standard as back up?

The last two times we went up we were never equipped to stay up and the owners didn't have the means to buy what we needed or pay the wages of what we needed. It was a short term plan that failed. The new owners seem to be focused on the long term and I can see them supporting a manager if we don't go up so long as they see progress towards the end goal. We stayed up the first season due to confidence and momentum, a solid defence and a system that baffled other teams and fearing no team, no matter who they were or if we were home or away. The recruitment that season was still very poor.

I don't see Wilder fitting the mould for a long term build as he doesn't have a good track record with money, he doesn't have a good track record of developing young players, he refuses to shop abroad and has publicly commented on why he won't don't do this, as well as the harm his antics and behaviour bring to the "brand" which they will be hoping to develop to bring in better sponsorship and potential investment.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

8 weeks today the season starts. I think some of our 'issues' last season came from not having a good enough squad early enough even though relegation was obviously coming 12 months in advance. Not going up was always a strong possibility this season so surely pre planning should be done well before the summer?! At least the broad outline of a plan!

Absolutely. The last two seasons have been lost due to poor physical preparation before we even get onto the subject of transfers and tactics!

 

[TJ blade]

I've said my bit like most have now and I want Wilder to stay. If he does go though I'd definitely have Dave Challinor from Stockport high up on the list. His record is very impressive. He'll know the efl well obviously and has a proven record of success.

And that's the height of our ambition!...your taking the piss surely

 

[Bill puntin]

All that could be true but he's still got the best record of anyone managing in the Championship right now.

What manager ahead of Wilder would you be more certain of finishing top 6 with?

90% certain with Sean Dyche but would be a hard watch.

 

[Maidenhead]

I've said my bit like most have now and I want Wilder to stay. If he does go though I'd definitely have Dave Challinor from Stockport high up on the list. His record is very impressive. He'll know the efl well obviously and has a proven record of success.

And he's bloody brilliant with long throws

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Yes he is, thank God, as a previous poster put it be careful what you wish for.
I've a horrible feeling this lot and their AI will make Chansiri look like a good owner.

Aye
AI - booooo!
Penicillin- boooooo!
The wheel - boooooo!
Fire - (double) boooooooo’

 

[Nick Jansky]

Do you really think that Blades fans who don't think we should sack the Championship's best-performing manager five months into a three-year contract are a 'very noisy minority trapped in the past'?

Re-read my post. I’m describing how some fans will react if he goes. Not all of the Wilder supporters will behave like that by any means. But a very noisy minority undoubtedly will.

 

[TJ blade]

Re-read my post. I’m describing how some fans will react if he goes. Not all of the Wilder supporters will behave like that by any means. But a very noisy minority undoubtedly will.

Mainly the snuff taking fans, what I see at away matches, if that's anything to go by...

 

[Sean Thornton]

Where have you got that from? Unless you have an ITK at boardroom level then this is merely speculation. I doubt very much that they expect these players to go straight into the first team or we'd have see the Peruvian lad in the squad every game from January to the end of the season.

I think they'll more likely expect us to develop the players to one day see them in the starting lineup in future seasons, just like we did with Ndiaye.

As for Wilder commenting on the new lad, the media will have asked him to comment on the signing and he gave a box standard cut and paste answer that pretty much said and revealed nothing, other than he hopes to develop him.

Until we see how this summer plays out for all of our signings any comment on our AI recruitment is just ignorant speculation. We might recruit some with and some without. We might only use it to identify future potential to develop. We might indeed use it for all signings. We don't know yet as it hasn't happened. So far we've signed three players using it, all of whom are young and have time to be coached and developed into first team players for next season and beyond, though that may depend on which division we're in.

Tony Currie normally tells her. Usually in a dream.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Until we see how this summer plays out for all of our signings any comment on our AI recruitment is just ignorant speculation. We might recruit some with and some without. We might only use it to identify future potential to develop. We might indeed use it for all signings. We don't know yet as it hasn't happened. So far we've signed three players using it, all of whom are young and have time to be coached and developed into first team players for next season and beyond, though that may depend on which division we're in.

Load of bollocks, Tony. Berkshire Blade has made up some quotes that categorically prove that Alexa will make all future signings, so that argument’s done & dusted.

 

[GrayBlade]

Was the best manager, was.

Wilder Mk1 totally agree

Wilder Mk2 has cost us £500k in fines, mocked a fellow professional pissed up on a pub table, stuck by Robbo when absolutely no one else could see why, resulting in us throwing away autos then promotion via play offs

It’s a shame cos wilder prior to Covid was about as good as it gets, not just for us but UK football

Now it’s time to move on, but be eternally grateful for his 1st spell.

Spot on for me.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Tony Currie normally tells her. Usually in a dream.

Nah
Hecky, private audience, table 18

 

[Booker4]

And that's the height of our ambition!...your taking the piss surely

Many good managers have come from league one. Like Chris Wilder. He's a far better shout with years of experience of success than Michael Carrick, Rob Edwards, Gary O'Neil, who will inevitably get mentions, bar Edwards who is set to be at Bori. In fact bar Sean Dyche he's got more proven success than most we could get.

If you're looking for a foreign name with knowledge of the foreign market then he's not going to be top choice but he's got a fantastic record of promotion with a small side. Besides where did Harrison Burrows, Enda Stevens and George Baldock plus endless managers. I'm much more in favour of managers with years of experience than bigger names who've managed big business with mixed success.