Outgoing? Chris Wilder

[Bladesman]

 

[Wapping Blade]

Someone should tell him that the earth isn't flat then

Is Symple Symon the one that’s ironically the size of the Earth?

 

[Slim Man]

Given how the signings went in January - work permit struggles, nowhere near the first team, not exactly young - I’m not filled with confidence. Recognise it’s early on that though.

Well Caceres and Nwakuchuku had no less impact than Wilder's signing of Harry Clarke, so

 

[adamawdhali]

As much as I love wilder, he’s proven time and time again that he cannot be trusted with a bigger budget and if he can’t accept that he needs help from ai or perhaps a dof when it comes to the those more expensive signings then neither he nor us will get very far unfortunately

 

[Slim Man]

When I saw us linked with the same players we always are and McBurnie (I liked McBurnie but let’s move on) I was kind of ready for Wilder to go.

We all know he’s not a Premiership manager, there’s nothing unique about us this season - Leeds were very attacking, Burnley hard to beat, Sunderland counter attacked - I can’t really think what we were?

Most teams have come away thinking ‘how are they top’ that have played us. We lost to all the promoted teams twice.

I love McBurnie and would still take him

But yes, definitely. It makes very little sense to have this sort of recruitment model with a figurehead who famously said 'stuff your data' when we beat pigs.

If you're not all in on something in this game it's doomed to fail before it even starts. You can't half and half this type of thing.

It might fail, but let's give it a proper go and see.

 

[NerdyBlade]

...okay that's potentially credible.

O'Rourke saying they're meeting today to decide

 

[LondonBlade89]

Well Caceres and Nwakuchuku had no less impact than Wilder's signing of Harry Clarke, so

Harry Clarke did at least play for us.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Harry Clarke did at least play for us.

He got on the pitch.

 

[Slim Man]

Harry Clarke did at least play for us.

And might as well not have

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

We got 92 points, but how many of the were as a result of outplaying the opposition Vs relying on having better players than the opposition.

Imagine how many point we'd have had if we had a defined style of play and plan of attack.

Our style was score one more than you and defend - but could have been much more.

92 points is a fantastic achievement. But the stats imply we over performed by c 20 points.

If he has gone, I can kind of see why.

For me that's where I think the new owners are at. They're not just looking at promotion, they're looking beyond. Wilder may have gotten us 92 points but he's done nothing to convince me that he can keep us up after promotion. We ground out results week in, week out, rarely putting in 90 minutes of football, being outplayed by opponents including those at the bottom of the table and relied on luck. The new owners have probably seen enough matches to realise that Wilder is stubborn and won't change and that we will not stay up playing like that. This is most likely why he will be going.

If we were to finish 7th next season under a different manager but they see an improvement in our style of play and see individual players improve, I'll bet they'll stick with the manager. Whilst finishing 7th is a regression in the results, there would be progress on the pitch and in coaching. This is something our fans may need to get used to. Our new owners may be more patient and willing to ride out a couple of seasons in the Championship for the benefit of the long term. It's built into the ethos of American Sports.

I said it constantly last season, performances are more important thaj results. If you put in good performances you ll more than likely get the results. If you focus on the results and rely on luck or an opponents individual error, at some point your luck runs out.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Working Class Hero]

We got 92 points, but how many of the were as a result of outplaying the opposition Vs relying on having better players than the opposition.

Imagine how many point we'd have had if we had a defined style of play and plan of attack.

It wouldn't have made any difference though, as Leeds and Burnley still had better players than us and we'd have had to accumulate 103 points. Which is an unreasonable expectation.

For what it's worth, Wilder changed the system for those last 6 games and we looked much better anyway. If we'd started next season how we finished last season, I think we'd have been in for a decent season of both performances and results.

 

[Working Class Hero]

If that is where things have broken down, I think we may be looking back at this as a major bollock dropped.

Theres nothing wrong with complimenting the manager's signings with a few that have been sourced via a different approach, but we can't surely be relying on this AI/data driven model as our primary approach. That would be ludicrous.

The clubs that unearth these unknown gems have vast scouting networks, they don't just look at stats. The new owners are new to this game at the end of the day, and we can't be a guinea pig to test something that is very unlikely to work, just because it's modern and sounds clever.

 

[paidsy]

It wouldn't have made any difference though, as Leeds and Burnley still had better players than us and we'd have had to accumulate 103 points. Which is an unreasonable expectation.

For what it's worth, Wilder changed the system for those last 6 games and we looked much better anyway. If we'd started next season how we finished last season, I think we'd have been in for a decent season of both performances and results.

But then surrendered back to a known failed approach in the final once we got our noses in front...

 

[paidsy]

If that is where things have broken down, I think we may be looking back at this as a major bollock dropped.

Theres nothing wrong with complimenting the manager's signing with a few that have been sourced via a different approach, but we can't surely be relying on this AI/data driven model as our primary approach. That would be ludicrous.

The clubs that unearth these unknown gems have vast scouting networks, they don't just look at stats. The new owners are new to this game at the end of the day, and we can't be a guinea pig to test something that is very unlikely to work, just because it's modern and sounds clever.

They have Des Taylor advising them still. They aren't completely clueless to how things work.

 

[Working Class Hero]

But then surrendered back to a known failed approach in the final once we got our noses in front...

I don't think it was quite that simple. The mood in the entire place after that VAR decision completely changed the momentum, and we had four key players go off with injury which exacerbated it even further.

 

[Pintor75]

Not heard anything official yet from the club

 

[paidsy]

I don't think it was quite that simple. The mood in the entire place after that VAR decision completely changed the momentum, and we had four key players go off with injury which exacerbated it even further.

But we have seen that happen on multiple occasions through the season. It's not an isolated occurrence.

 

[Working Class Hero]

They have Des Taylor advising them still. They aren't completely clueless to how things work.

I'm sure they're not, but this feels like a massive gamble to me. Wilder won't be here forever, it would be very easy to bed in the new approach over time, rather than sack the manager in favour of it.

 

[PaddysMad]

Nope

 

[LondonBlade89]

And might as well not have

Lol yes, but come on. The “data-driven strategy” hasn’t exactly got off to the best start. Harry Clarke doesn’t excuse it.

 

[idleurchin]

 

[dc_blade]

Lol yes, but come on. The “data-driven strategy” hasn’t exactly got off to the best start. Harry Clarke doesn’t excuse it.

Has it really started at all? I don’t think they claimed they were signing players ready to go straight into the first team.

 

[S64 Blade]

It wouldn't have made any difference though, as Leeds and Burnley still had better players than us and we'd have had to accumulate 103 points. Which is an unreasonable expectation.

For what it's worth, Wilder changed the system for those last 6 games and we looked much better anyway. If we'd started next season how we finished last season, I think we'd have been in for a decent season of both performances and results.

If we’d have taken points off Leeds and/or Burnley though, they wouldn’t have had 103 points. We gifted Leeds 6 points of those.

 

[NerdyBlade]

There's this...


And then there's this...

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

From FB. No idea if it’s recent or not but poster claiming it is this morning.

 

[Maidenhead]

I'm sure they're not, but this feels like a massive gamble to me. Wilder won't be here forever, it would be very easy to bed in the new approach over time, rather than sack the manager in favour of it.

Only if the existing manager is fully bought into the new approach.

You can't have owners and senior managers working to differing agendas, that's a sure fire recipe for failure.

 

[S5Blade]

 

[MojoMuffin]

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From FB. No idea if it’s recent or not but poster claiming it is this morning.

Same hoodie as the one posted on twitter on the flight

 

[Sean Thornton]

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From FB. No idea if it’s recent or not but poster claiming it is this morning.

Did you pack your bag yourself Sir?

No, the fucking directors did…….