The disallowed 'goal'

[CornwallBlade]

Campbell was in the eyeline of the keeper, = not when the ball was struck

When the ref was connected to the stadium pa he said SU number 21 was ruled offside due to interfering with the keepers sight of the ball. i.e. Vini

 

[CornwallBlade]

I don't think there keeper saves it tbh, but it's off.

This, we all said, “there’s no way he saves that shot” - but it doesn’t matter as the rule is applied according to the facts not conjecture.

 

[Rusty view]

We can debate the decision. But one thing..I've never celebrated so much when it went it. It was poor magical. Hugging strangers round me. Kiss my daughter. Shouting wtf is happening...we're gonna do it.

Then like Coife in Green Mile VAR socks all that joy from us all.

It's a bastard tool...whether it corrects the decision correctly. From ecstasy to agony.

It killed me emotionally. I won't lie it sacked the life out of me...and seemingly our players.

Don't ever put var in championship!

 

[CornwallBlade]

That was my thought. Offside or not, impeded vision or not, there was no way anyone was saving that.

If impeding keepers view is such a thing then cancel all corner kicks, as there are 16 players impeding keepers everytime the ball gets crossed into the six yard box.

Brilliant point!

 

[CT1889]

It’s a VAR offside (it is almost impossible to make that call in real time with any degree of certainty)

It’s one of the unfortunate unintended consequences of VAR. If you give rule enforcement more evidence and time they will inevitably find more things wrong.

The original argument for VAR, was that it would make it harder for Players to cheat. Problem is players have evolved. Rather than swan diving into the air to win a pen, they now fall into out stretched legs, or place a leg in the way of a defender to instigate contact. So it’s taken the cheating to another level.

Clear case against VAR, is the season we’ve just had. I can’t think of a single game where we robbed by the ON field officials.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Brilliant point!

True, but those impeding the keeper from a corner are onside.

 

[CornwallBlade]

True, but those impeding the keeper from a corner are onside.

You’re right but blocking is still obstruction and hence a foul though isn’t it. That whole area of the game is a complete shambles at the moment.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

It certainly is.

And my thoughts are that if the penalty box was completely empty of any Blades players at all, the keeper still doesn’t save it.

 

[mackempaddy]

I think a few on here aren’t sure of the law. It doesn’t matter that he wasn’t stood in front of Patterson when the shot was hit, they’ve ruled it out because Patterson can’t commit to a dive because he has to wait to see if your lad changes the trajectory of the ball.

He’s not in his eyeline, but he’s interfering with play. It’s the correct decision. VAR shouldn’t be used in a one off game after not having it for 48 games mind.

 

[Blade59]

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Vini is clearly not impeding the keepers vision when the ball is struck. Whether he is then inferring with play is a matter of opinion. Does he affect the keepers decision making? The fact it took several minutes to make a decision suggests that it is not clear and obvious so the on field decision should stand in my opinion.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

No because VAR has no place in a Championship match

Good opportunity for VAR to gaslight themselves

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

It was a straightforward decision.

Their defenders came out of the six yard box fast. Our front two didn't. And Campbell was in the eyeline of the keeper.

Aye
So why was Souza identified as the transgressors?

 

[scouseblade]

We can debate the decision. But one thing..I've never celebrated so much when it went it. It was poor magical. Hugging strangers round me. Kiss my daughter. Shouting wtf is happening...we're gonna do it.

Then like Coife in Green Mile VAR socks all that joy from us all.

It's a bastard tool...whether it corrects the decision correctly. From ecstasy to agony.

It killed me emotionally. I won't lie it sacked the life out of me...and seemingly our players.

Don't ever put var in championship!

I dont think enough grounds are capable of it. Luton had to essentially rebuild a stand to accomodate comms and VAR tech. Cannot see that happening at Oxford etc

Whilst you cannot disagree its 'offside' by the law but problem is 48 games of no VAR and then EFL changes it. You can argue that its a massive game and needs to have 'correct' decisions but you should at least have it in semis then.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

But he is offside when the ball is struck. He doesn't have to be directly in front of the keeper to impact him. At the other end and you agree.

Aye
But that’s not what you said:
“Fucks sake some whoppers on here who clearly don't know the rules. It's not about where he's standing when the ball was struck, if he's impeding the keeper's ability to play the ball which he was then it's offside. Guarantee 100% everybody saying not offside now would be agreeing it was offside at the other end. Embarrassing yourselves.

 

[Rusty view]

I dont think enough grounds are capable of it. Luton had to essentially rebuild a stand to accomodate comms and VAR tech. Cannot see that happening at Oxford etc

Whilst you cannot disagree its 'offside' by the law but problem is 48 games of no VAR and then EFL changes it. You can argue that its a massive game and needs to have 'correct' decisions but you should at least have it in semis then.

Agree on 2nd paragraph. It's and EFL game, so why have it.

It's done. Move on, none of that shit next season. Agree it wont happen due to costs of converting grounds.

 

[scouseblade]

I doubt many clubs in EFL would vote for it. The chaos it brings isnt helping the PL product.

VAR needs to become a challenge system. 2/3 per half. Otherwise let the game be reffed by well the ref

 

[Selly]

Move on, none of that shit next season

Unless we get to the final again...

VAR needs to become a challenge system

Agree

2/3 per half.

That's too many IMO.

2 per game, at most. And you have to be specific about what you are challenging for. No challenge and look for anything.

"Player x was offside in the build up"

"Handball by player Y"

Make it for the clanger.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

When the Burrows shot went in, I was celebrating like a madman, random hugs with strangers and almost ended up falling into the row in front. Then I realised that VAR was making a guest appearance in this EFL fixture. It's conditioning us like some sort of Pavlov's Dog experiment and sucking the passion out of football. I hate it.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Burrows didn't shoot. He made a forward pass into the box. Onside Moore flicked it on. Goal.

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

If I ever see us win a play off final before I keel over I think I’ll cry of happiness, if ever a club deserves some fortune in these games it’s us, could not write it.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Burrows didn't shoot. He made a forward pass into the box. Onside Moore flicked it on. Goal.

Didn't realise Moore got a touch, I don't feel like watching any highlights at the moment.

 

[loyalblade95]

When a decision takes that long to be made, it suggests the original decision should have stood, but the longer it takes, we all know that actually the decision is about to be reversed. This for me is why modern football can get in the bin.

If you are happy with this sort of bollocks, like the shitshow at Tottenham as well, way back when (2019), then good luck to you.

Injury time in the second half was a joke as well. Nobody, least of all the ref, had any idea how much time was left in the end after all the delays. I’d be very surprised if 7 minutes was actually played, though.

This evening, I genuinely feel like I’m finished with football. Think I’ll listen to some Gentle Giant.

101st minute by the time he blew the whistle.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Didn't realise Moore got a touch, I don't feel like watching any highlights at the moment.

When Moore flicks it, Souza is probably impeding the goalie's vision, but he is no longer offside...

 

[Bladepicker]

When a decision takes that long to be made, it suggests the original decision should have stood, but the longer it takes, we all know that actually the decision is about to be reversed. This for me is why modern football can get in the bin.

If you are happy with this sort of bollocks, like the shitshow at Tottenham as well, way back when (2019), then good luck to you.

Injury time in the second half was a joke as well. Nobody, least of all the ref, had any idea how much time was left in the end after all the delays. I’d be very surprised if 7 minutes was actually played, though.

This evening, I genuinely feel like I’m finished with football. Think I’ll listen to some Gentle Giant.

Last season, for the first time ever, I actually went to more of my local teams northern premier league matches than United matches. I'll never have the passion for them that I do for the Blades but I'll be going there even more next season as football at that level is still the game I fell in love with as a kid.

 

[jt64]

It’s a goal, and it’s game over.

Split second decisions on peripheral vision is a nonsense.

Anyone agreeing with the decision is enabling the decimation of our game.

For the past 150 years it’s a goal, not now.

For the past 150 years Vini is flagged offside the second Burrows shoots.

 

[FTPE]

Not going on a campaign against the officials it was a marginal call but it was so important and deserves a thread of it's own.

Do people thing it was right it was disallowed?

Not a chance.
They weren't coming back from 2-0

 

[stpauliblade]

For the past 150 years Vini is flagged offside the second Burrows shoots.

I've not got a problem with it being flagged as offside as soon as Burrows shoots. A moment of frustration and then on with the game.

I have got a problem with celebrating wildly, the goal being announced over the tannoy, the scoreboard showing 2v0 and then the sense of dread building over the minutes of the VAR check before it is ruled out.

For me, it's the correct decision, but it's not football as I used to know and love it.

 

[Selly]

For the past 150 years Vini is flagged offside the second Burrows shoots.

So why wasn't he flagged in this one? Even if the linesman knew the goal would be checked he should raise his flag if he believed it to be offside.

If nothing else it puts an immediate pause on the celebrations and avoids the massive letdown (which I don't think the players or the fans fully recovered from).

Playing with VAR really does alter the sport on a fundamental level. It really shouldn't be anywhere near the PO finals.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

To my shame, I was watching the game in the pub (something I hardly ever do), and the experience finally convinced me that VAR in its current format is ruining the game, and will only get worse. There is a pretence that there is an objective truth to be found (in many circumstances in a game, there isn’t), and that the more video evidence is analysed, the more likely a ‘correct’ decision is reached (probably true). But reaching these decisions is killing the game for the live spectator, is designed for tv entertainment, and asks the wrong questions. The moment of scoring a goal is the peak emotion of the game, but VAR currently immediately asks ‘How can we find a way of disallowing this goal?’
United players, fans in the pub and ground were celebrating a great goal. Sunderland team and fans were flat. A few (sensible) Wednesdayites in the pub were saying how United were going to win easily. And the casual sports fans commented on a great goal, and went back to talking about golf or motor racing. The commentators on Tv were admiring the goal. And then the word VAR appeared. Blades fans were immediately depressed, convinced a way would be found of disallowing it. The Wednesdayites were surprised, but doubtful there was anything wrong. The casuals became very interested, and watched every detail of every replay. Great for tv, but killing the game for the committed fan. We Blades were all depressed at half-time, as if we were losing. Sunderland were clearly revitalised. And Sky were no longer admiring Burrows’ scoring record at Wembley, but discussing the opinion (not the fact) of whether the goalie’s line of vision was impaired. With a different mindset, they could look at every corner to determine which of the half-dozen players pulling shirts should be penalised, but they are not asked to look at that. The big moment for tv is ‘how can we turn this moment of drama’ into a ‘made for tv discussion’. What next? Each team could have its lawyers pitch side, and have 10 minutes to discuss any decision they don’t like. Combines sport and courtroom drama. Great for the tv viewer, who can open another beer and watch. Terrible for the fans in the stadium. Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean you should do it. End of rant.

 

[jt64]

So why wasn't he flagged in this one?

I have no idea what the protocol with flagging is in this spot where everyone knows VAR is going to check it anyway. I'm more making the point that I'm not exactly old and I can remember the days of "if you're offside, you're offside" and that for the vast majority of the history of football that goal is disallowed.