Tactics for the Burnley game

[skegblade]

Burnley will be expecting us to go for it theyll play a deep defence as they did v leeds,
Its a non lose game for the ,fully expect them to hit us on the break as we push forward
Just li e in Ihope

 

[Not so Slim ane]

Genuine question - who do you think we can get that will do a better job?

Anyone who doesn't feel obligated to give Brewster a new contract would be an improvement

 

[OLDBLADE43]

It's a huge football world. Perhaps a better question is "Why is Wilder the only person people think can work here"?

Or to duck the question by asking another one instead

 

[Carlton Blade]

Or to duck the question by asking another one instead

You want me to list every manager in the world who could manage a mid sized, provincial club?

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Attack! Attack! Attack! We're all party poopers at the Lane!

 

[ATL Recs]

We simply can’t allow them to settle into their preferred tempo by letting them have possession and time to pass the ball around

We will do just that

 

[ATL Recs]

We will need to have the right balance because Burnley also know we need to win. So they may think let's just get them on the counter. And I think it works well for them sadly.

But Burnley have to lose sometime. Even if it's not this season they will lose again of course.

To be honest looking at the coverage of their game yesterday they were very fortunate not to go 2-0 down just before they equalised.

And after Watford had a chance to go 2-1 up. Sadly after Burnley went 2-1 up Watford self destructed and went down to 9 men.

We could do with something like Trafford wiping out one of ours in the first half so they concede a pen and go down to 10 men. Also means Trafford misses next 3.

But of course that's just fantasy.

Of course it’s fantasy Trafford plays in goal how’s one of ours going to get near him

 

[OLDBLADE43]

You want me to list every manager in the world who could manage a mid sized, provincial club?

Maybe just one or two who in your opinion could do it better than Wilder in the same circumstances.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Maybe just one or two who in your opinion could do it better than Wilder in the circumstances

Any competent Championship level manager could have gotten this team to play to par. He did a good job convincing decent quality Championship players to sign, built a risk averse team that relied on defence to win points and when the defence got worse, could utilise the attacking talent to create more chances. 27 goals in 21 games since Boxing Day.

So rather than a pointless back and forth on managers, I'm happy to say he's played to about par, but it's a huge missed opportunity.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Piss around with it at the back, occasionally boot it forward and hope Hamer does something decent like in most other games this season.

 

[Newbury Blade]

Apologies for being so moronic; I’m not hopeful of a big loss but hopeful wilder shows himself up again which will allow the owners to have second thoughts about employing him next season.

You literally said you hoped for a big loss.

 

[OLDBLADE43]

Any competent Championship level manager could have gotten this team to play to par. He did a good job convincing decent quality Championship players to sign, built a risk averse team that relied on defence to win points and when the defence got worse, could utilise the attacking talent to create more chances. 27 goals in 21 games since Boxing Day.

So rather than a pointless back and forth on managers, I'm happy to say he's played to about par, but it's a huge missed opportunity.

I'd accept that and would also agree that his tactics are somewhat negative. Is it just him though?. I don't know the answer to that and unless anyone can read minds and also see and hear what happens between the management team and him I don't think anyone will really know. The buck stops with him though.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'd accept that and would also agree that his tactics are somewhat negative. Is it just him though?. I don't know the answer to that and unless anyone can read minds and also see and hear what happens between the management team and him I don't think anyone will really know

I think it's a combination of Wilder being limited tactically and this being an immature squad, at least in comparison the the first Wilder era teams. I trusted those teams to adapt and figure things out. This group of players is a lot more......off the cuff

 

[JJBlade]

Defend, clear the ball
Burnley attack again, we clear the ball
Burnley attack again, we clear the ball
Burnley attack again, and score

Defend, clear the ball
Burnley attack again, we clear the ball
Burnley attack again, we clear the ball
Burnley attack again, and score

Burnley toss it off
We keep defending, there's no disgrace in shitty old us losing 2-0

 

[Snowflake]

I want the best for the club. And wilder isn’t that.

Getting the best is impossible for us at present and probably will be into the future.
If you feel that Wilder should step down who have you in mind who is available and who would be better ?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Getting the best is impossible for us at present and probably will be into the future.
If you feel that Wilder should step down who have you in mind who is available and who would be better ?

I get why people ask this question, but there are so many variables to the answer I just don’t think a fan looking at available/better managers should be expected to pick a name out.

The owners and board will know the answers to a lot of questions around player transfer and wage budgets, manager salary/staff budgets, long term vision for the academy/club and then also have contacts with agents around the footballing world who could be sounded out over potential future appointments.

A fan will probably say ‘Steve Cooper’ just because he’s the obvious and available option but there may be dozens of reasons why he wouldn’t/shouldn’t be appointed.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Getting the best is impossible for us at present and probably will be into the future.
If you feel that Wilder should step down who have you in mind who is available and who would be better ?

I don’t run the club so I don’t know. My main point is that this group of players with the quality we’ve got, should be doing better than a lot of the very stale performances we’ve produced this season. That’s down to the manager. No other top champ club would’ve had wilder this season. I still love the bloke for what he did in his first spell but I want us to progress as a football club and don’t think wilder is the man to lead that.

 

[loyalblade95]

Not sure about the finer details of the tactics, but we've got to get at these from the start, the longer it stays at 0-0 the more Burnley will grow into the game.

I doubt CW will change it enough to do this, but I would go for a formation change and a few player changes.

---------------------Cooper
Choudhury-Anel-Holding-Burrows
-----------------------Souza
Hamer-----Peck-------O'Hare-----BBD
-----------------------Moore

4-1-4-1, try and win the midfield battle, Souza to drop into defence when needed, Hamer and BBD to push up and drop deep when needed, O'Hare to push up with Moore on every attack.

You could play Campbell instead of Moore in the same basic tactics, but I've dropped Campbell as I think he's looked a bit tired in the last few games.

Dropped JRS as this is the game where we'd need wingers to drop back and help the fullbacks quite often against Edwards and Anthony, BBD and Hamer are always more willing to do that.

 

[Matlock Blade]

Some think Moore will start... do you think Wilder is suicidal?
I would start the same team as yesterday, but maybe O'Hare for Brewster. Diaz is best coming on as a sub.

 

[loyalblade95]

Some think Moore will start... do you think Wilder is suicidal?
I would start the same team as yesterday, but maybe O'Hare for Brewster. Diaz is best coming on as a sub.

Fair enough, personally I don't think he will start Moore, but I would start him over Campbell against Burnley as I think Campbell has looked a bit tired in the last few games.

Moore did look rusty when he first came on, but I thought he grew into the game and put himself about, thankfully his blocked shot reached BBD as that was going out for a corner.

O'Hare for Brewster would be a good shout, his press and ball carrying ability (O'Hare) would probably be better suited to this game than Brewsters willingness to get shots away when possible (not always accurate shots).

As for BBD, he might be better as a sub coming on in place of JRS/Hamer, but if we start JRS instead, he has to come back and help Choudhury deal with Jaden Anthony, as BBD and Hamer seem more willing to drop back and help the fullback.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Think they will definitely be at the dark arts stuff to try and get one of ours sent off, that is why we shouldn't play Robinson

Agree Robbo must be nowhere near this game

 

[MayorOJC]

Got to get at these. Their weaknesses are their full-backs. Lucas Pires is dodgy and Roberts gets no support from Edwards. BBD on the left, JRS on the right, Seriki in to double up on Pires. Keep Hamer central, Burnley allowed Watford to shoot from outside the box and it almost cost them a few times. We need those opportunities to come to Hamer, not Brewster or O'Hare. Oh, and play Holding, obviously.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

That's the spirit.

Just mentioned in the Shoutbox that while auto promotion is not in our own hands any more, taking it to the final day v Blackburn is in our hands. Wins against Burnley and Stoke mean Burnley can't be more than two points clear of us on the final day.

But the Burnley game is already lost so it’s irrelevant

 

[bakeblade]

It will be the same tactics we always play.
Slow build up with alot of passing backwards and sideways and rubbish corners.
Wilder will then swap the strikers around on the 65min but by that time we will be losing 2-0.
Monday is just going to be Party time for Burnley.

Some think Moore will start... do you think Wilder is suicidal?
I would start the same team as yesterday, but maybe O'Hare for Brewster. Diaz is best coming on as a sub.

Agreed, same team apart from Ohare for Brewster
CW will go,
Cooper
Clark Anel Robbo Burrows
. Souza. Choudhury
BBD. Brewster. Hamer
Cannon

 

[loyalblade95]

Agree Robbo must be nowhere near this game

Problem is, Robbo is going to play a part in this game.

Holding can't do 90 minutes (looked like a bit of cramp after 80+ minutes), and might even do less than 80 minutes so soon after the Cardiff game.

Other than Robbo, our only other options at CB are Gilchrist (not sure what his situation is, whether he's injured again or not) and Jamal Baptiste.

I wouldn't mind seeing Gilchrist come on at CB (if he's on the bench) but it's a big game and a lot to ask for Baptiste, especially as he hasn't played for the first team since Cardiff in the Cup.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

We need to try something different and catch them by surprise

 

[bakeblade]

Problem is, Robbo is going to play a part in this game.

Holding can't do 90 minutes (looked like a bit of cramp after 80+ minutes), and might even do less than 80 minutes so soon after the Cardiff game.

Other than Robbo, our only other options at CB are Gilchrist (not sure what his situation is, whether he's injured again or not) and Jamal Baptiste.

I wouldn't mind seeing Gilchrist come on at CB (if he's on the bench) but it's a big game and a lot to ask for Baptiste, especially as he hasn't played for the first team since Cardiff in the Cup.

I'd rather Robbo did 20 mins rather than 90 plus

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Go 1 up on 17 mins and gerrit int corner.

 

[SUFC Guy]

Last chance saloon for us. Don't sit back and leave it too late to attack. Go for it from the off. I'd rather us go down all guns blazing than going out with a whimper.

If we lose and Leeds are likely to win then it's the dreaded play offs. If we win, we still have a chance of catching both teams.

We can't afford for Burnley to dictate tha game. We must make it an open, see who scores the most goals type of game - Burnley do not want this scenario.

UTMB

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Think we need to drag them down to our level. Make it utterly turgid for 60 mins, then turn the tables with a few changes and go full chaos, end with 6 strikers on the pitch, then lose to a counter attack in the last minute (Brownhill 90+7)