Ex- Blade Danny Wilson

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Nice to see Danny's carried on the good work, 1 win from 12 at Barnsley. Another manager who's cv contains 1 good season at Barnsley in 1997. His second season at Bramall lane was awful but plenty of Blades, along with Radio Sheffield seemed "gutted" when he got the peddler. How do these guys get work ?
 

Danny's second season at united was ruined by losing/selling some of his better players and having no money to buy replacements with. Still being so close to promotion with what he had was pretty good going, his record elsewhere may be questionable but as blades manager he came a whisker away from gettin us up, changed the mentality of a club that had got used to losing and at times had us playing some of the best football bramall lane has seen in decades. Some people, not everyone but some never seemed to get over his Wednesday connection
 
Danny's second season at united was ruined by losing/selling some of his better players and having no money to buy replacements with.

The same goes for almost every side in this division but most just find another value for money replacement rather than a Barry Robson or Dave Kitson looking for a final payday.

Wilson should have put more trust in the academy too. How many players came through under him?
 
It was a joy from about November onwards.

Wycombe away wasn't exactly samba football..

True, my memory is quite selective really. Notts County and Rochdale away are the ones that stand out, especially in comparison with the likes of Wycombe and MK Dons...and Wembley....
 
That first season really kicked off for Danny when Ched returned from injury and started to enjoy scoring.

Unfortunately it's the last part of this statement that was why it went pear shaped for Danny.
 
The same goes for almost every side in this division but most just find another value for money replacement rather than a Barry Robson or Dave Kitson looking for a final payday.

Wilson should have put more trust in the academy too. How many players came through under him?

And how many ex academy players have sustained regular first team places since he left?

All the evidence suggests that Ironside, McFadzean, Kennedy, Whitehouse, Barry etc are not even good enough for the bottom half of the 3rd division.
 
And how many ex academy players have sustained regular first team places since he left?

All the evidence suggests that Ironside, McFadzean, Kennedy, Whitehouse, Barry etc are not even good enough for the bottom half of the 3rd division.

"All the evidence" is pretty much worthless given that none of those players was given that much of a chance to prove themselves. Kennedy played once, away at Doncaster, and by all accounts acquitted himself well. Who knows? In a parallel universe, he and Whitehouse might have taken advantage of injuries to Collins and Doyle and are now mainstays in a title chasing Sheffield United side.

You seem to be of the opinion that the youth players have to prove that they're better than the senior pros. My opinion is that they should only show that they're not worse. Personally, I think Whitehouse might have been better than Robson and Kennedy would probably have been better than Higginbotham. Unfortunately, we'll never know.

That said, Clough does seem to rate Kennedy as despite having Hill on the bench (whose best position is centre half), he's still naming young Terry as a substitute. Same goes for Whitehouse, who has been in the squad for the past few league games.

Ironside has been given ample opportunity and has shown that he's not good enough (hence why he's now playing at Conference North level), McFadzean has well-documented off the pitch issues (remarkably similar to his older brother) and Barry has been shipped back to Ireland. There must be a reason that the other two are still around.
 
My most enoyable season as a blade and a man. Some right away days. 4-0 up at half time v Notts c, 5-2 away win at Rochdale when the pigs got all giddy because we went behind, a brilliant 0-1 win at Huddersfield (when the pigs lost to stevenage at home, I was absolutely convinced we were going up)


I know it all went nipples north, but at the time, it was brilliant following us.
 
"All the evidence" is pretty much worthless given that none of those players was given that much of a chance to prove themselves. Kennedy played once, away at Doncaster, and by all accounts acquitted himself well. Who knows? In a parallel universe, he and Whitehouse might have taken advantage of injuries to Collins and Doyle and are now mainstays in a title chasing Sheffield United side.

You seem to be of the opinion that the youth players have to prove that they're better than the senior pros. My opinion is that they should only show that they're not worse. Personally, I think Whitehouse might have been better than Robson and Kennedy would probably have been better than Higginbotham. Unfortunately, we'll never know.

That said, Clough does seem to rate Kennedy as despite having Hill on the bench (whose best position is centre half), he's still naming young Terry as a substitute. Same goes for Whitehouse, who has been in the squad for the past few league games.

Ironside has been given ample opportunity and has shown that he's not good enough (hence why he's now playing at Conference North level), McFadzean has well-documented off the pitch issues (remarkably similar to his older brother) and Barry has been shipped back to Ireland. There must be a reason that the other two are still around.

My simple point is that under both Weir* and Clough none of the youth players to whom Wilson allegedly "did not give a chance" have been anywhere near being good enough for a regular place in a struggling thrid division team. That tends to suggest they really are not that good. Wilson's remit last season was to get us up. It really is stretching things to suggest that if had played Whitehouse and Kennedy on a reular basis rather than Collins and Doyle we would have done better than we did

* Admittedly, Weir's opinion as to who is and isn't a good player is not worth a lot, but you get the point.
 
Nice to see Danny's carried on the good work, 1 win from 12 at Barnsley. Another manager who's cv contains 1 good season at Barnsley in 1997. His second season at Bramall lane was awful but plenty of Blades, along with Radio Sheffield seemed "gutted" when he got the peddler. How do these guys get work ?

Oh yes, 5th place. It was awful. This season's league campaign has been much more fun!

Jesus wept.
 
Across most leagues, with one particularly stand-out exception, the teams with the biggest budgets tend to finsih in the higher places. The Dingles' lack of cash is fiuther exacertabed by the skewed nature of the Championship in that many of the teams therein in are artifically bolstered by the parachute payments. If he can keep them up, it will be a miracle on the same level as getting them promoted back in the day.

He's clearly not a great manager, but I think does a decent job within the limitations he has to work with.
 

Nice to see Danny's carried on the good work, 1 win from 12 at Barnsley. Another manager who's cv contains 1 good season at Barnsley in 1997. His second season at Bramall lane was awful but plenty of Blades, along with Radio Sheffield seemed "gutted" when he got the peddler. How do these guys get work ?

His 51% win ratio at United not good enough for you then?
 
Their recent run has led to a lot of gobby Barnsley fans suddenly disappearing, the ones that said we were a dog n duck team some have been unable to take it

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That first season really kicked off for Danny when Ched returned from injury and started to enjoy scoring.

Unfortunately it's the last part of this statement that was why it went pear shaped for Danny.

Ironically it was his love of scoring that got him in the mess he got himself in...
 
Nice to see Danny's carried on the good work, 1 win from 12 at Barnsley. Another manager who's cv contains 1 good season at Barnsley in 1997. His second season at Bramall lane was awful but plenty of Blades, along with Radio Sheffield seemed "gutted" when he got the peddler. How do these guys get work ?

Oh dear were you out front at the Lane waving a burning pig around when Wilson arrived? I would have kept him and gone into another play off campaign rather than sacked him without a plan b (which is what happened). After all its been half a roller coaster ride since hasn't it?

The same goes for almost every side in this division but most just find another value for money replacement rather than a Barry Robson or Dave Kitson looking for a final payday.

Wilson should have put more trust in the academy too. How many players came through under him?

Do you think Wilson had a say in Kitson coming in? Also, to be fair do we think Kitson was a bad signing? After that bloke we sold in January (you know the one who was our top scorer at the time) he was our top scorer. Kitson pretty much admitted he was courted by the McCabes.

I wonder how good a manager you have to be to constantly have your best players removed from under you and still continue to hit top 6?

As for our Academy lads, do you really think our manager will not play them if he thinks they are good enough? I'm sorry you pick on merit not age and it has since been proven that none thus far have even scratched the surface.
 
For every team at the top there's one at the bottom. Has ever been so and will ever be thus.

What's more, a manager can easily destroy a team but it takes a lot of luck and skill to build one. How many actually do that?
 
I'd imagine Danny Wilson would have one of the best managerial records in the whole football league as far as win ratios are concerned. He's had quite a few seasons where his teams have been in and around the promotion/play off places. Took Barnsley and Hartlepool up, had Bristol up near the top for 4 seasons, Swindon to a play-off final, us to a play off final and was sacked when we were in the play-off places with 5 games to go.

Wilson's big problem is that he generally gets his teams in the shake up for promotion without quite getting them over the line.

Not researched it but I reckon Danny Wilson has possibly got the best wins ratio of any United manager, maybe Spackman or Blackwell have a better wins record, but he won't be far off.
 
He has the best win ration of any SUFC manager with 100 games or more, AFAIK. And yes, big mistake to sack him last season and bring in Weir. Massive gamble, totally did not pay off.
 
Sometimes things are done for a reason. If we hadn't sacked Wilson then we wouldn't have appointed Weir and if we hadn't appointed Weir we would have not appointed Clough. Today we may well have been around the top 6, toying with a play off place but still complaining about Murphy, Flynn et al. We certainly wouldn't have seen Brayford anywhere near the Lane and we would've still been hoping players like McMahon were going to make it good. Beating Villa, Fulham, Forest wouldn't have happened.

I am delighted with the way things have panned out.
 
Sometimes things are done for a reason. If we hadn't sacked Wilson then we wouldn't have appointed Weir and if we hadn't appointed Weir we would have not appointed Clough. Today we may well have been around the top 6, toying with a play off place but still complaining about Murphy, Flynn et al. We certainly wouldn't have seen Brayford anywhere near the Lane and we would've still been hoping players like McMahon were going to make it good. Beating Villa, Fulham, Forest wouldn't have happened.

I am delighted with the way things have panned out.

And no Scougall either! And this was with a Scot as manager!
 
Sometimes things are done for a reason. If we hadn't sacked Wilson then we wouldn't have appointed Weir and if we hadn't appointed Weir we would have not appointed Clough. Today we may well have been around the top 6, toying with a play off place but still complaining about Murphy, Flynn et al. We certainly wouldn't have seen Brayford anywhere near the Lane and we would've still been hoping players like McMahon were going to make it good. Beating Villa, Fulham, Forest wouldn't have happened.

I am delighted with the way things have panned out.

Seems a totally arse about face way of achieving it though - if you'd put that in a business plan, you'd be shown the door.

Sorry, we're talking about United, aren't we?
 
Nice to see Danny's carried on the good work, 1 win from 12 at Barnsley. Another manager who's cv contains 1 good season at Barnsley in 1997. His second season at Bramall lane was awful but plenty of Blades, along with Radio Sheffield seemed "gutted" when he got the peddler. How do these guys get work ?

Yes it was awful being in the playoff positions.

Quite the pile of poo those statements.
 

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