'It's an absolute disgrace'

[Tony_Kaufman]

If people like you are determined to conflate criticism with abuse, there's no point in trying to discuss it.

"You've got it wrong today" isn't the same as "you're a fucking useless cunt".

But he is egotistical and stubborn. That's not "abuse".

I can't stand that some of our fans will defend Wilder to the hilt on no grounds other than "he's one of us", as if that makes him impervious to errors or criticism. I couldn't care less who our manager supports, I just want us to play decent football.

 

[Blade56]

He decided to to put the same team out to make amends for “their poor performance” at Oxford, they came out and carried on where they left off. He changed the players around but stuck with the slow, slow, slow, slow, slow tactics. That decision was down to him. Now he’s getting embroiled with a few fans and losing focus for himself, the club and the players whilst alienating fans.

He’s too emotionally attached to the club, belongs on the terraces and the boozer not the dugout.

Hopefully new owners will replace him with a management team and structure fit for purpose ready for next season be it in the PL or Championship.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

 

[Harry's Game]

Wilder has done a sound job in scrapping us off the floor after last season and I will always laud him for how he handled the Baldock situation…

… but after this season whether we win the play offs or stay down it’s probably better if we start afresh next season with someone new.. it’s all looking very tired

 

[AWetFlannel]

But he is egotistical and stubborn. That's not "abuse".

I didn't say that was abuse, read the post back. This thread is about Wilder responding to abuse from fans directed at himself and the players. I've witnessed this sort of abuse, it is real.

I can't stand that some of our fans will defend Wilder to the hilt on no grounds other than "he's one of us", as if that makes him impervious to errors or criticism. I couldn't care less who our manager supports, I just want us to play decent football.

Have I said anything about him being a Blade? Has anyone in this thread? (I've not read it all)

 

[Greenblades]

I think the fact he never defuses anything by simply saying he got it wrong is his weakness. It’s always the players, fans, ref etc etc. It’s never him. He can’t bring himself to say “ I got it wrong”. If he does he immediately takes pressure off the players. I thought he had changed but I’m afraid as the pressure now starts we can all see he hasn’t.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I didn't say that was abuse, read the post back. This thread is about Wilder responding to abuse from fans directed at himself and the players. I've witnessed this sort of abuse, it is real.

Have I said anything about him being a Blade? Has anyone in this thread? (I've not read it all)

Sorry dude, I misunderstood what you meant and thought you were accusing me of posting abusive comments about Wilder.

 

[Bladesman]

I think the fact he never defuses anything by simply saying he got it wrong is his weakness. It’s always the players, fans, ref etc etc. It’s never him. He can’t bring himself to say “ I got it wrong”. If he does he immediately takes pressure off the players. I thought he had changed but I’m afraid as the pressure now starts we can all see he hasn’t.

Very Warnockesque. Although Warnock always usually blamed the ref most weeks. Sometimes the pitch.

 

[The Fox]

This team ( and manager ) are realistically so far off PL standard it'll be embarrassing if we get promoted . Granted if promoted we'd sign players but we need more than we can realistically obtain or afford and a complete change of management and coaching staff .
We really need another year in the championship with the a stronger squad and a change of football culture , style and way of playing .

 

[Harry's Game]

This team ( and manager ) are realistically so far off PL standard it'll be embarrassing if we get promoted . Granted if promoted we'd sign players but we need more than we can realistically obtain or afford and a complete change of management and coaching staff .
We really need another year in the championship with the a stronger squad and a change of football culture , style and way of playing .

It’s all about the money to keep us competitive the season after next.. if we got up next season success is 20th on 20 points and keeping the 5-0 or more losses below 5.. that’s a good season. That’s not a dig at United it is the plain facts of modern post Covid football. It’s sad but true.

If we don’t go up and get the cash best case scenario for a club of our size is in 5 years we are Preston finishing 9th to 14th every season.. worst case back to a league one side

 

[Carlton Blade]

I saw a grown man screaming "Saki, Saki, Saki, you're a fucking useless cunt. Fuck off" when Millwall were running the clock down in the corner at the Kop end tonight. That's the sort of stuff that I can't always believe grown ups do, it's mental.

But post game tonight was the perfect chance for Wilder, whether he believes it or not to just say "the players give me everything but it's just not gone for us tonight. I have to take that on my shoulders and make sure we are mentally and tactically right for the next one". He's the biggest name and ego at the club, he has to lead and mumbling about fans and making it clear it wasn't his fault (selection wasn't why we lost" etc) wasn't, at least in my opinion what tonight needed

 

[The Fox]

It’s all about the money to keep us competitive the season after next.. if we got up next season success is 20th on 20 points and keeping the 5-0 or more losses below 5.. that’s a good season. That’s not a dig at United it is the plan facts of modern post Covid football. It’s sad but true.

If we don’t go up and get the cash best case scenario for a club of our size is in 5 years we are Preston finishing 9th to 14th every season.. worst case back to a league one side

I hear you mate but it's not really selling next season to me .
Of course I want promotion because it's success but people are still in counselling from last season , we're not ready for another one of those

 

[Harry's Game]

I hear you mate but it's not really selling next season to me .
Of course I want promotion because it's success but people are still in counselling from last season , we're not ready for another one of those

Leeds and Burnley and whoever wins the play offs are 95% certain to come back down next season.. it’s a virtual closed shop

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Like Chanseri said at the pigs fan forum, you buy your ticket to watch the game, you have no right to comment (paraphrased)

Aye
Also begs the question:- at what price point are you afforded the “right” to be offensive / abusive ?

 

[CornwallBlade]

It’s all about the money to keep us competitive the season after next.. if we got up next season success is 20th on 20 points and keeping the 5-0 or more losses below 5.. that’s a good season. That’s not a dig at United it is the plain facts of modern post Covid football. It’s sad but true.

If we don’t go up and get the cash best case scenario for a club of our size is in 5 years we are Preston finishing 9th to 14th every season.. worst case back to a league one side

We’ll agree to disagree. My fear is that we scramble promotion to the PL. Wilder stays and spunks £100m on poor signings. We get spanked every week, he walks/is sacked and we are relegated by April. Squad breaks up and we are back to square 1 albeit with renewed parachute payments. I’d much rather we get a manager capable of leading us into, and having half a chance of staying in, the PL. I suspect that the best chance of that happening is another season in the Championship, with a new manager and some financial support from the owners. The income from selling on a few plus continued para payment shouldn’t require a massive additional injection.

 

[RWE]

We’ll agree to disagree. My fear is that we scramble promotion to the PL. Wilder stays and spunks £100m on poor signings. We get spanked every week, he walks/is sacked and we are relegated by April. Squad breaks up and we are back to square 1 albeit with renewed parachute payments. I’d much rather we get a manager capable of leading us into, and having half a chance of staying in, the PL. I suspect that the best chance of that happening is another season in the Championship, with a new manager and some financial support from the owners. The income from selling on a few plus continued para payment shouldn’t require a massive additional injection.

If we do go up and intend to keep Wilder I’d rather us spend £100m on training ground and stadium infrastructure than players with him in charge (we could literally spend £200m and it make no difference). For me we should have a new manager regardless of the league next season, because I really don’t trust Wilder spending anymore than £5m on 1 player never mind £20m+ which gets a bang average Prem player.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Absolutely spot on & Im no Wilder apologist/ ‘happy clapper’
Reality is the performance was no better nor worse than many (most) other games this season.
The difference was / is we lost, exacerbated by (entitled) expectation that we would be 4 points ahead of the Dirties (& top of the league)

Behave like a twat & expect to be treated like a twat

I get you but is it wrong to expect at least 4 points from Oxford and Millwall? As a promotion contender?

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I get you but is it wrong to expect at least 4 points from Oxford and Millwall? As a promotion contender?

Not at all, albeit you’re responding to something posted pre Millwall.
What is “wrong” is being unable to adequately self regulate & manage (own) your expectation to the extent that you don’t call someone (.anyone?) a ‘useless idle Cunt’

 

[KOPPO]

in kop legend TUFTY i TRUST hes one of us show him and the blades team respect for what theyve done well said gaffer m8ty,i love sufc no matter what league were in he built this team on peanuts so whatever happens its a great season,chow..,utb,,forza sufc for like,,we fight on till the very end,,once a blade always a true blade hand on heart im a kop blade italian pasta ,,ciao.nuff said,,

 

[CornwallBlade]

If we do go up and intend to keep Wilder I’d rather us spend £100m on training ground and stadium infrastructure than players with him in charge (we could literally spend £200m and it make no difference). For me we should have a new manager regardless of the league next season, because I really don’t trust Wilder spending anymore than £5m on 1 player never mind £20m+ which gets a bang average Prem player.

I’m not factoring Wilder being here next season in any of the possible scenarios….

 

[bornablade]

We’ll agree to disagree. My fear is that we scramble promotion to the PL. Wilder stays and spunks £100m on poor signings. We get spanked every week, he walks/is sacked and we are relegated by April. Squad breaks up and we are back to square 1 albeit with renewed parachute payments. I’d much rather we get a manager capable of leading us into, and having half a chance of staying in, the PL. I suspect that the best chance of that happening is another season in the Championship, with a new manager and some financial support from the owners. The income from selling on a few plus continued para payment shouldn’t require a massive additional injection.

There are so many on here saying 'let's have another year in the Championship and go again next season with a better equipped squad'.

Do you really believe Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton are just going to make it simple for us next year?

The longer you remain out of the Premier league the more difficult it will become to get back there.

After over 30 years since its formation the Premier league has now reached the perfect storm for those teams in the Championship. It has become a private members club for those 17 clubs that will compete this season and next season.

There's now a pattern - the 3 promoted clubs being the relegated clubs the following season. (Burnley, Luton, Blades last season. Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton this season). That pattern will continue.

When a club gets promoted they need to look for 3 clubs who they believe will be worse than them over a season. In 2025 the gap between the 'established 17' and the Championship is huge.

Who are usual relegation contenders - Everton, West Ham, Wolves, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth? These clubs now are heads and shoulders above the Championship promotion contenders.

We've had 3 seasons since 2020 to become a member of the elite 17.

It now requires a club to disrupt the 'system'. Our effort in 2019/20 based upon a very strong defence (39 goals conceded in 38 games) and our overlapping centre backs is as close to upsetting things as we will see. But the development of those 17 clubs almost makes that effort impossible to repeat.

Southampton and Derby shouldn't worry too much about their unenviable records. I think they'll be beaten season after season.

I still want us to get promoted this season. The reason is money. We need to be financially healthy to have any chance of being a disruptive force in the Premier league.

The alternative is to become an established Championship club. So many say that the Championship is more enjoyable than the Premier league. But is that what we really want?

 

[Frank the tank]

I saw a grown man screaming "Saki, Saki, Saki, you're a fucking useless cunt. Fuck off" when Millwall were running the clock down in the corner at the Kop end tonight. That's the sort of stuff that I can't always believe grown ups do, it's mental.

But post game tonight was the perfect chance for Wilder, whether he believes it or not to just say "the players give me everything but it's just not gone for us tonight. I have to take that on my shoulders and make sure we are mentally and tactically right for the next one". He's the biggest name and ego at the club, he has to lead and mumbling about fans and making it clear it wasn't his fault (selection wasn't why we lost" etc) wasn't, at least in my opinion what tonight needed

That's exactly what he did say

 

[Bell4]

This team ( and manager ) are realistically so far off PL standard it'll be embarrassing if we get promoted . Granted if promoted we'd sign players but we need more than we can realistically obtain or afford and a complete change of management and coaching staff .
We really need another year in the championship with the a stronger squad and a change of football culture , style and way of playing .

That’s all true imo

Of course we will take going up , of course . But if we don’t then ,as you say , a fresh approach , new owners etc . However , we tried this a few years back - appointing a well respected European coach who tried to change our style of play and look how that turned out as in we went back to tried and tested and comfort zone through the magnificent Hecky .

It a tough one based on our Bladyness

 

[Bell4]

There are so many on here saying 'let's have another year in the Championship and go again next season with a better equipped squad'.

Do you really believe Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton are just going to make it simple for us next year?

The longer you remain out of the Premier league the more difficult it will become to get back there.

After over 30 years since its formation the Premier league has now reached the perfect storm for those teams in the Championship. It has become a private members club for those 17 clubs that will compete this season and next season.

There's now a pattern - the 3 promoted clubs being the relegated clubs the following season. (Burnley, Luton, Blades last season. Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton this season). That pattern will continue.

When a club gets promoted they need to look for 3 clubs who they believe will be worse than them over a season. In 2025 the gap between the 'established 17' and the Championship is huge.

Who are usual relegation contenders - Everton, West Ham, Wolves, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth? These clubs now are heads and shoulders above the Championship promotion contenders.

We've had 3 seasons since 2020 to become a member of the elite 17.

It now requires a club to disrupt the 'system'. Our effort in 2019/20 based upon a very strong defence (39 goals conceded in 38 games) and our overlapping centre backs is as close to upsetting things as we will see. But the development of those 17 clubs almost makes that effort impossible to repeat.

Southampton and Derby shouldn't worry too much about their unenviable records. I think they'll be beaten season after season.

I still want us to get promoted this season. The reason is money. We need to be financially healthy to have any chance of being a disruptive force in the Premier league.

The alternative is to become an established Championship club. So many say that the Championship is more enjoyable than the Premier league. But is that what we really want?

Great post

 

[The Bear]

Aye
Apart from:-
If someone abuses you(r staff) at work ((& they are in a no position where they can realistically respond / reciprocate) I would welcome (if not expect) my gaffer standing up for me.

Where have the punters been “treat(ed) like twats” this season ?

If you’re going to utilise the (fallacious) “boundaries of the law” argument the ‘logical’ outcome would be charging some of the folk on Saturday with Public Order Offences.
The nature & extent of the bile vitriol & abuse hurled by some on Saturday is something no-one should be expected to tolerate in any circumstance.

Somewhat tangentially I’m yet to witness a circumstance where the calling of someone a useless idle cunt enhances subsequent performance

Thought Blackwell used that strategy

 

[Nick Jansky]

There are so many on here saying 'let's have another year in the Championship and go again next season with a better equipped squad'.

Do you really believe Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton are just going to make it simple for us next year?

The longer you remain out of the Premier league the more difficult it will become to get back there.

After over 30 years since its formation the Premier league has now reached the perfect storm for those teams in the Championship. It has become a private members club for those 17 clubs that will compete this season and next season.

There's now a pattern - the 3 promoted clubs being the relegated clubs the following season. (Burnley, Luton, Blades last season. Leicester, Ipswich, Southampton this season). That pattern will continue.

When a club gets promoted they need to look for 3 clubs who they believe will be worse than them over a season. In 2025 the gap between the 'established 17' and the Championship is huge.

Who are usual relegation contenders - Everton, West Ham, Wolves, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth? These clubs now are heads and shoulders above the Championship promotion contenders.

We've had 3 seasons since 2020 to become a member of the elite 17.

It now requires a club to disrupt the 'system'. Our effort in 2019/20 based upon a very strong defence (39 goals conceded in 38 games) and our overlapping centre backs is as close to upsetting things as we will see. But the development of those 17 clubs almost makes that effort impossible to repeat.

Southampton and Derby shouldn't worry too much about their unenviable records. I think they'll be beaten season after season.

I still want us to get promoted this season. The reason is money. We need to be financially healthy to have any chance of being a disruptive force in the Premier league.

The alternative is to become an established Championship club. So many say that the Championship is more enjoyable than the Premier league. But is that what we really want?

All of this is spot on. Which is why I would be quite happy to see a European Super League which much of the TV money would follow, leaving a far more level playing field for those left behind.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Thought Blackwell used that strategy

Aye
Reminds me of the occasion when Naughton was just breaking into the team (as a forward) & mishit the ball straight out of play.
Blackwell gave him absolute pelters for ‘shooting’ from way out to which Kyle bellowed back - “It was meant to be a cross you thick cunt”

Confirms my initial stance in this thread:
“Behave like a twat & expect to be treated like a twat” ?

 

[Youngand70]

This team ( and manager ) are realistically so far off PL standard it'll be embarrassing if we get promoted . Granted if promoted we'd sign players but we need more than we can realistically obtain or afford and a complete change of management and coaching staff .
We really need another year in the championship with the a stronger squad and a change of football culture , style and way of playing .

We just don't fit the script for the PL. 19 out of the 20 teams have a Director of Football/Technical Director and their transfer/scouting policies are far advanced of ours. Last year Bettis was quoted, when asked, "Sheffield United will not be having a DofF." Now is that because Wilder will not work under one or Princy didn't want to pay for one. Is it because as a club we refuse to enter the real world of football in 2025. With 63 years of following us I feel we are a big city club with a small town mentality. Approximately 75% of players used in the PL this year are foreign which doesn't fit in with Wlder's main transfer preference. There are only 3 British managers/coaches in the PL - Moyes, Mc Kenna and "money bags" Howe.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

We just don't fit the script for the PL. 19 out of the 20 teams have a Director of Football/Technical Director and their transfer/scouting policies are far advanced of ours. Last year Bettis was quoted, when asked, "Sheffield United will not be having a DofF." Now is that because Wilder will not work under one or Princy didn't want to pay for one. Is it because as a club we refuse to enter the real world of football in 2025. With 63 years of following us I feel we are a big city club with a small town mentality. Approximately 75% of players used in the PL this year are foreign which doesn't fit in with Wlder's main transfer preference. There are only 3 British managers/coaches in the PL - Moyes, Mc Kenna and "money bags" Howe.

I think you'll find McKenna is Irish, so that leaves two!

 

[Youngand70]

I think you'll find McKenna is Irish, so that leaves two!

Born in London in 1986 raised in Northern Ireland