Potential PL Recruitment Strategies

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How important is domestic recruitment vs foreign recruitment?

  • Domestic is more important

    Votes: 15 7.9%
  • About the same

    Votes: 111 58.1%
  • Foreign is more important

    Votes: 65 34.0%

  • Total voters
    191

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I've been considering hypothetical recruitment options, were we to be promoted back to the Premier League. And I simply cannot see any logical reason for us making domestic signings a bigger priority then looking for players further afield.

The expense involved in signing players from English clubs has become absurdly prohibitive as a Premier League club. Teams are fully aware of how much money you get from simply existing in that competition, and take every opportunity to squeeze as much value as possible from a buying club. Meanwhile, signings made from players overseas, are often a significant amount cheaper than a domestic counterpart would be.

I can only see there being valid reason for pursuing domestic deals if they are an absolute guarantee to improve the existing squad. And I'm not sure there's anyone around at the moment that would do that for us, that is a realistic option for us to pursue as an outright purchase (as opposed to a loan).

There are players dotted all over the place, particularly across mainland Europe, who would be a major boost to our squad. There are often bargain signings to be made from places like Germany (2. Bundesliga - as we came close to doing with Jonjoe Kenny), Belgium and Portugal. We've made signings in the past from Scandinavian leagues to minimal fanfare, but I think it's fair to say that even though the likes of Slimane and Traore were wholly ineffective in their Blades careers, signing English players to achieve the same end, would have cost us drastically more than those 2 deals did. Not a chance we would make a profit like we did on those 2 in any case.

An additional justification for looking further afield, is the outrageous success rate we have in developing young talent ourselves. There is a consistent stream of youth players coming through the academy, who either become good enough to play for the first team (e.g Peck, Arblaster, Seriki), or are sold on for a modest profit (e.g Regan Slater). Considering the squad registration rules in the Premier League, and the increased necessity to include "homegrown" players, having options that not only can fill squad places, but can compete at PL level, frees us up greatly to be able to go abroad and look for options capable of enhancing the starting XI.

We might even be able to kill 2 birds with one stone, and sign English/British players, who are plying their trade abroad. Max Dean is a prime example of this. 21-year old English striker playing for Gent in Belgium's top division. 6 goals in 17 appearances, coming out at 0.56 goals per 90 mins. Only his first season at that level, but having moved there from League 2 MK Dons, it's fair to say he's doing very well considering the increase in quality. He perhaps would have been a better option than Cannon as a major transfer for the new ownership to pursue.

I imagine that, if we do secure Premier League football next season, we will have a more handy transfer budget for the summer than Hecky had to play with last season. And considering the very obvious gulf in quality that has formed between the Championship and PL in recent years, shrewd business in the transfer market will be essential for us to have a fighting chance of survival (or at least, not being battered on a weekly basis).
 

It's not that one is more important than the other--it's that you want to be shopping in the biggest market possible in order to get the best value. If you're only looking at players from the UK and Ireland then you're committing yourself to paying more money for equivalent or even worse players.

Case in point: Tom Cannon vs. Wilson Isidor.
 
I'm leaning more towards the foreign recruitment camp, but domestic recruitment can also work as long as you're being shrewd. Signing the best players from the Championship usually doesn't work in the Premier League, but signing underappreciated players from Premier League clubs could be smart business. Forest got Elanga from ManUtd, for example, because in Manchester they didn't think he was good enough. Now he's one of their best players.
 
The board are seemingly focused on AI/stats based recruitment so I guess we'll get what we get, whether domestic or abroad, providing the fees are agreeable.

I think the likes of Holding and BBD will be signed if we go up, possibly Hamza too. Souttar maybe, depending on how he gets on with his recovery.

I for one will have a much more enthusiastic and positive mindset about going up this time than last, given the new owners and what I think will be a respectable budget in addition to promotion funds. I just hope we bloody do it!!
 
Have combed Prem squads, including the impending relegation squads... Hardly anyone of use to us, that we might realistically buy.

Not loads in the Championship that can step up either.

So I think we need to be looking very hard outside the UK.
 
Hoover up whatever we can of good value from English clubs. Solidify our squad as at least top end championship. Look at frees and expiring contracts

Look abroad for at least 40-50% of the signings and make athleticism and fitness a top priority
 
Domestic, abroad, doesn't matter. The one thing we absolutely can't do is a rehash of the "best of the Championship" approach and bring in a bunch of established names who if they were ever going to step up and be PL class, would have been there already.
 
I think there's a balance.

We know that Chris likes his domestic signings and I'm sure we'll get some of those. These sort of signings are the easier ones in theory because these players are known quantities, they're easier to scout and know what we're getting so offers some level of guarantee. We could have done with more of those when we went up last time because besides Hamer and Archer, we might as well have been pulling names out of a hat. The issue is around the cost of these players and while I'd be confident we'd spend more than last time, we don't have unlimited resources and there would need to be an incentive to sign for us over, say, Leeds or some of the drain circlers like Wolves, Everton, Fulham, Palace, Brentford, Bournemouth or West Ham, Forest might struggle next season (?) - the sort of clubs we need to be taking points off to stand a chance.

What we can't be doing is obsessing over players and stopping at nothing to sign them or taking on reclamation projects, we're not the bloody repair shop, they come here to get injured! Maybe we should have pushed a bit harder to sign Dan Burn after all...

It's not like we haven't been shopping in Europe before, though. Souza came from Espanyol via Lommel, Berge was signed from the Belgian league too for decent money and that part of the world has been pretty fruitful for the likes of Brighton and Brentford as two who immediately spring to mind. We need to have some kind of focussed approach towards signing players who are immediate starters so at least 4 or 5 who if fit will play, not people who come in when someone gets injured or suspended or youngsters who might never make it.

A lot needs to centre on what our approach is on the George Graham to Kevin Keegan scale of defence vs attack. Grinding out results seems to be the MO at the moment so maybe we need some dogged defensive types or to counter that, some attacking flair when we need something out of nothing in a tight game.
 
1. Top Championship players don't usually sign for teams likely to be relegated. These players would want top wages in a relegation threatened team.

2. Even the best (Eze, Lewis-Potter, Bowen, Olise, Scott etc) don't just go into the starting line-ups. They take time to adjust. Usually a season at least. Oddly, I think Cooper will sign for a decent team and start straight away, but keepers are different.

3. If the aim is to stay up, then we shouldn't be wasting time on that market. I think Leeds might be able to do it but they have a number of top players who are of that level.

4. Foreign talent signings would likely need the same time to bed in, but would likely cost half the price and want lower wages. Look at the failed experiments of last promotion. Souza has bedded in and is unquestionably a good signing. Slimane has signed for a play-off chasing Championship side. Traore playing for a decent European side. Archer playing for another Premier League side. Trusty playing for the Scottish champions and in the Champion's League. Hamer playing for a team top of the Championship. 24, 24, 22, 23, 26, 27 respectively.

Foreign players are punts but you'd probably say, in retrospect, Hecky got a lot more value for money than Wilder did with his Premier League spending. Doesn't mean those players are good enough for the Premier League. Berge is probably the one outlier and he signed for us when we were placed well in the Premier League.

The signs indicate that the owners won't have that much money, so I suspect a mix of potential and experienced loans.

I think we're better off loaning players who can compete and then signing young talented players who will be ready to start in the Championship the year after.
 
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Domestic, abroad, doesn't matter. The one thing we absolutely can't do is a rehash of the "best of the Championship" approach and bring in a bunch of established names who if they were ever going to step up and be PL class, would have been there already.
The last time around (under Wilder), we couldn't afford the best in the championship. We missed out on the likes of Ollie Watkins and Matt Cash, who more than stepped up.

Second best in the championship definitely wont do.

Let's hope it's a problem first! :)
 
What signs? (genuine question)
They keep bringing new members onto the Board, which suggests to me that they're not in a position to bankrole a Premier League club between them.

If you co-own a football club and have lots of cash, you're not going to keep giving other people a say. You'd want control yourselves. They're not Board members who seem to have practical skills which explain their inclusion (unless Joe is casting McBurnie as an Avenger)
 
It's not that one is more important than the other--it's that you want to be shopping in the biggest market possible in order to get the best value. If you're only looking at players from the UK and Ireland then you're committing yourself to paying more money for equivalent or even worse players.

Case in point: Tom Cannon vs. Wilson Isidor.
What about tyrese Campbell versus Wilson isidor
Or jobe Bellingham vs anis Slimane
 

Are you saying it's a better strategy to just focus on British players?

No he’s saying why do we need to focus on one market domestic or international when a blend of both works just as well.

Or maybe he’s not 🤷🏽
 
We need a goal scorer for sure. The prem is tough and if Wilder wants to be defensive minded we need someone in the ilk of Kane/Haaland.

Technique and skill is better than athleticism in the Prem.
 
Focus has to be international recruitment, regardless of what league we're in. If there's the opportunity to sign a proven PL / top end championship player for free or cheap (like O'Hare and Cooper this season) then fair enough.

But if we're spending £10m+, Ipswich have already shown that raiding the championship for their best players doesn't work.

Would also like to see us look outside Europe. Been a lot of good talent coming out of Japan and Korea for example.
 
Focus has to be international recruitment, regardless of what league we're in. If the opportunity to sign a proven PL / top end championship player for free or cheap (like O'Hare and Cooper this season) then fair enough.

But if we're spending £10m+, Ipswich have already shown that raiding the championship for their best players doesn't work.

Would also like to see us look outside Europe. Been a lot of good talent coming out of Japan and Korea for example.
I would hazard a guess that seen as we haven't been able to afford fertiliser or sky sports in the clubhouse that our recruitment and analytics team haven't been cast that far and wide
Hopefully that will. Change
 
Preferring is not a strategy
It can be, depending on why you prefer them.

"I prefer to sign players from the UK and Ireland because their shared culture makes it easier from them to bond as a team, and a strong team spirit is the most important key to success" is an example of something being both a preference and strategy.
 

I've been considering hypothetical recruitment options, were we to be promoted back to the Premier League. And I simply cannot see any logical reason for us making domestic signings a bigger priority then looking for players further afield.

The expense involved in signing players from English clubs has become absurdly prohibitive as a Premier League club. Teams are fully aware of how much money you get from simply existing in that competition, and take every opportunity to squeeze as much value as possible from a buying club. Meanwhile, signings made from players overseas, are often a significant amount cheaper than a domestic counterpart would be.

I can only see there being valid reason for pursuing domestic deals if they are an absolute guarantee to improve the existing squad. And I'm not sure there's anyone around at the moment that would do that for us, that is a realistic option for us to pursue as an outright purchase (as opposed to a loan).

There are players dotted all over the place, particularly across mainland Europe, who would be a major boost to our squad. There are often bargain signings to be made from places like Germany (2. Bundesliga - as we came close to doing with Jonjoe Kenny), Belgium and Portugal. We've made signings in the past from Scandinavian leagues to minimal fanfare, but I think it's fair to say that even though the likes of Slimane and Traore were wholly ineffective in their Blades careers, signing English players to achieve the same end, would have cost us drastically more than those 2 deals did. Not a chance we would make a profit like we did on those 2 in any case.

An additional justification for looking further afield, is the outrageous success rate we have in developing young talent ourselves. There is a consistent stream of youth players coming through the academy, who either become good enough to play for the first team (e.g Peck, Arblaster, Seriki), or are sold on for a modest profit (e.g Regan Slater). Considering the squad registration rules in the Premier League, and the increased necessity to include "homegrown" players, having options that not only can fill squad places, but can compete at PL level, frees us up greatly to be able to go abroad and look for options capable of enhancing the starting XI.

We might even be able to kill 2 birds with one stone, and sign English/British players, who are plying their trade abroad. Max Dean is a prime example of this. 21-year old English striker playing for Gent in Belgium's top division. 6 goals in 17 appearances, coming out at 0.56 goals per 90 mins. Only his first season at that level, but having moved there from League 2 MK Dons, it's fair to say he's doing very well considering the increase in quality. He perhaps would have been a better option than Cannon as a major transfer for the new ownership to pursue.

I imagine that, if we do secure Premier League football next season, we will have a more handy transfer budget for the summer than Hecky had to play with last season. And considering the very obvious gulf in quality that has formed between the Championship and PL in recent years, shrewd business in the transfer market will be essential for us to have a fighting chance of survival (or at least, not being battered on a weekly basis).
Completely agree but I voted for the foreign route ( but only just )
Hopefully the signing of young jefferson is showing we have opened a scouting route into south America.
I actually try to watch games from the balkan leagues and there's some really good/raw defenders there plus a few wingers etc that wouldn't look out of place top end championship/bottom prem .
I can see why the Italian clubs are fishing in these ponds .
 

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