Be very careful what you say...

[Ned the Donkey]

No difference I imagine. How would you prove it?

It used to be up to the prosecution to prove guilt rather than the defence having to prove innocence. But that was in the good old days.

Accusation = Guilt might not be fair but it is so much simpler than due process.

 

[blackydog]

It used to be up to the prosecution to prove guilt rather than the defence having to prove innocence. But that was in the good old days.

Accusation = Guilt might not be fair but it is so much simpler than due process.

Might be wrong, but isn't it the case that saying it is the crime. The circumstances around it are irrelevant. e.g. I was pissed at the time.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

Might be wrong, but isn't it the case that saying it is the crime. The circumstances around it are irrelevant. e.g. I was pissed at the time.

Maybe. I think this is called "strict liability".

 

[Yoonited]

Not sure that getting jailed for 10 weeks, getting yourself a criminal record and ruining your career can be described as getting away ‘Scot free’.

"Ruined his career "
Politicians don't ruin their careers no matter what they do.They further it in many cases getting a lift up from their fellow parliamentary cronies.
A world utterly alien to ours

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You know in 1984 Big Brother was the baddie, right? Not something to aspire to.

(Though this message seems to have become somewhat lost over the years )

“When I use a word,it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

And the irony just doesn’t let up for you does it?
Straight from throwing words around you don’t understand as insults, using them incorrectly you then pull out a quote from a man famous for nonsense verse.
Plus of course the obligatory reference to Orwell, brilliant.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

2025 update. You can no longer call Cardiff and Swansea fans ‘Sheep Shaggers’ , not to mention inferring that all sheep have sex with football fans when they don’t !

 

[Ned the Donkey]

And the irony just doesn’t let up for you does it?
Straight from throwing words around you don’t understand as insults, using them incorrectly you then pull out a quote from a man famous for nonsense verse.
Plus of course the obligatory reference to Orwell, brilliant.

The world is your oyster my friend. Enjoy it.

 

[shorehamview]

2025 update. You can no longer call Cardiff and Swansea fans ‘Sheep Shaggers’ , not to mention inferring that all sheep have sex with football fans when they don’t !

You’re fine with Derby fans though, they’re no strangers to ovine delights.

 

[MojoMuffin]

I mean, take away the hate-crime aspect, it's a proper shite insult. I for one, would prefer a much more sophisticated return to old English insults. "Fook off yer fooking Scobberlotcher!", or perhaps, "Get fooked yer daft cabbage!".

I don't recall the last time someone was locked up for calling someone a "Mooncalf".

Either that, or keep your mouth clean and leave the unpleasantries to the ne'er-do-wells.

 

[shorehamview]

I mean, take away the hate-crime aspect, it's a proper shite insult. I for one, would prefer a much more sophisticated return to old English insults. "Fook off yer fooking Scobberlotcher!", or perhaps, "Get fooked yer daft cabbage!".

I don't recall the last time someone was locked up for calling someone a "Mooncalf".

Either that, or keep your mouth clean and leave the unpleasantries to the ne'er-do-wells.

Who else had to Google “scobberlotcher” and “mooncalf”?

 

[HarryHaslam]

I know online and what not the origin of the chant is said to be aimed at Chelsea fans because of the area, when in reality the chant first started in the 80s after one of the main Chelsea hooligans was caught in bed with a rent boy in a police dawn raid which made the newspapers. It was then started as a hooligan chant by some teams directed at Chelsea’s hooligan mob and quickly spread to normal fans.

 

[Grey Blade]

Who else had to Google “scobberlotcher” and “mooncalf”?

It's a constant education coming on here

 

[dazzlingblade]

I mean, take away the hate-crime aspect, it's a proper shite insult. I for one, would prefer a much more sophisticated return to old English insults. "Fook off yer fooking Scobberlotcher!", or perhaps, "Get fooked yer daft cabbage!".

I don't recall the last time someone was locked up for calling someone a "Mooncalf".

Either that, or keep your mouth clean and leave the unpleasantries to the ne'er-do-wells.

Plant pot was always a personal favourite

 

[SwissBlade]

Banter? err no
Ok it's wrong, but must happen every game, every week. Few pints in, got wound up. Don't be the unlucky one.

Seems to lack common sense

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

I can see this ending with people sick of the big brother state flooding the system with instances like this til they're like "shit we can't handle the backlog, we might have to prioritise serious crimes instead".

 

[Freethinker]

Not sure that getting jailed for 10 weeks, getting yourself a criminal record and ruining your career can be described as getting away ‘Scot free’.

Compared to a 56 year old woman with no criminal record in jail for two and half years for a comment on Twitter madness!

 

[Nick Jansky]

You'd make a good Stalinist. Or Nazi. Or general totalitarian. You'll do well in the society we are becoming. I'm glad for you.

The people who get upset about things like this generally seem to be those who want to behave like a cunt with absolutely no consequences. If people really insist on behaving like cunts that’s fine, they can, but they shouldn’t then whine when it doesn’t work out for them.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Where do we stand on dog botherers?

 

[Flumps]

The people who get upset about things like this generally seem to be those who want to behave like a cunt with absolutely no consequences. If people really insist on behaving like cunts that’s fine, they can, but they shouldn’t then whine when it doesn’t work out for them.

Agreed. However we are spiralling deep in to the territory where even a slip of the tongue seems to be landing people with convictions and I think that is dangerous for society as a whole. The umbrella of "hate speech" which is what I'm assuming this conviction is held under (feel free to correct me I'm literally just guessing there) could quite literally cover everything.

I'm a big lad, if that fella in the article had called me a fat cunt is that hate speech? We're flying hard and fast in the face of common sense these days and very few people actually know where they stand. I agree though, behave like a twat then deal with the consequences.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Agreed. However we are spiralling deep in to the territory where even a slip of the tongue seems to be landing people with convictions and I think that is dangerous for society as a whole. The umbrella of "hate speech" which is what I'm assuming this conviction is held under (feel free to correct me I'm literally just guessing there) could quite literally cover everything.

I'm a big lad, if that fella in the article had called me a fat cunt is that hate speech? We're flying hard and fast in the face of common sense these days and very few people actually know where they stand. I agree though, behave like a twat then deal with the consequences.

We should do a sweepstake on the last insult to be left standing after all others fall. 1)Fat 2)Ginger 3) Bald 4)Ugly or something else? Though the list of things to be offended by seems to grow exponentially so we could be waiting a while.

 

[Blade for Sale]

Where do we stand on dog botherers?

I try not to

 

[Grey Blade]

We should do a sweepstake on the last insult to be left standing after all others fall. 1)Fat 2)Ginger 3) Bald 4)Ugly or something else? Though the list of things to be offended by seems to grow exponentially so we could be waiting a while.

I vaguely remember this from childhood:

'Sticks and stones may break my bones
But words shall never hurt me.'

I suppose it depends what the words are

 

[blackydog]

Where do we stand on dog botherers?

Keith Lard?

 

[blade67]

I'm a big lad, if that fella in the article had called me a fat cunt is that hate speech? We're flying hard and fast in the face of common sense these days and very few people actually know where they stand. I agree though, behave like a twat then deal with the consequences.

This made me laugh,as I was talking about this case today with my son. He told me about a gay friend of his who'd gone mental at him in Asda, because he thought my son had called him a faggot. It was only when my son explained that he'd called him a fat cunt, not a faggot that he calmed down.

 

[lazyfecklessblade]

Where do we stand on dog botherers?

I mean, are we allowed to call that chubby forest fan a dog nonce any more - is that a hate crime?

 

[GodricBlade]

We should do a sweepstake on the last insult to be left standing after all others fall. 1)Fat 2)Ginger 3) Bald 4)Ugly or something else? Though the list of things to be offended by seems to grow exponentially so we could be waiting a while.

Prepare for a visit from my legal representatives……

 

[Gimli]

I mean, are we allowed to call that chubby forest fan a dog nonce any more - is that a hate crime?

I can’t see any reason why we are not able to allege that he is a dog nonce so I’m going to keep alleging that he is a dog nonce.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Where do we stand on dog botherers?

Any soft part of the body, as heavily as possible.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The world is your oyster my friend. Enjoy it.

That would be very amusing if I genuinely thought that it was a reference to the Warus and the Carpenter, but that would involve you reading the books you quote rather than stealing what you’ve seen elsewhere.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Where do we stand on dog botherers?

On the windpipe, preferably.