Fouling in the penalty box

[Dog and Duck FC]

We all we know it goes on and most don’t condone it but a foul is a foul where ever you are on the pitch.
To me it is time that the football administrators (EUFA, the FA, the Premier League) grow some balls and decide that it has to stop.
Either that or some referee with guts and credibility awards a foul every time a ball is played into the box and someone is fouled. Probably awarding a penalty for each 50/50 foul will have the quickest impact. The ref will be lambasted on the day but eventually some good will be the outcome.
You could see in yesterday’s match that the fouling calmed down a little after Boro’s penalty.
The “expects” on TV don’t help by not making more noise about it.
A FOUL IS A FOUL, and yesterday Jack Robinson lost. 50/50.

Rant over

 

[Brighton Blade]

For me, it's the inconsistency. We had an attacking corner 5mins before hand and before the corner came in, shirt pulling was going in and the ref stopped the corner being taken and "had a word" with the players involved. We should have been given the same opportunity when defending (i.e. have a warning and then if it carries on, fair enough, penalise Robbo).

 

[YES Blade]

The problem is that you can look at all the players being marked in the box and there will be fouls being committed by both teams. So how can a referee really give anything?

It does need sorting, but I’m not sure how!

 

[finlaytheblade]

The problem is that you can look at all the players being marked in the box and there will be fouls being committed by both teams. So how can a referee really give anything?

It does need sorting, but I’m not sure how!

Book both players when grappling ok someone starts it ! Being sure who it is is impossible to be sure
so as I say book both( no penalty)players if they do it again both get sent off.
The fear of sending off will put fear into whoever.
Maybe it won't work!! Still needs trying though! Grappling has become endemic ! Any body else got an idea how to stop it.?
Going back in time it wasn't a big problem! Just ridiculous now.

 

[YES Blade]

Book both players when grappling ok someone starts it ! Being sure who it is is impossible to be sure
so as I say book both( no penalty)players if they do it again both get sent off.
The fear of sending off will put fear into whoever.
Maybe it won't work!! Still needs trying though! Grappling has become endemic ! Any body else got an idea how to stop it.?
Going back in time it wasn't a big problem! Just ridiculous now.

That could work, have the fouls by each player offset so no penalty or free kick, both get booked and retake the corner.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Ok so if we are agreeing it is a penalty, based on the below why doesn't the 'boro lad see red for the slap?

https://www.skysports.com/football/...ough-awarded-penalty-against-sheffield-united

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Reminded me of Steven Gerrard shouting at the ref to make sure he was watching, then hurling himself to the ground in the opposite direction to the way he was being pulled.

When did grappling at corners become a thing? What happened to staying goal side , keeping the ball and your man in your vision and attacking the ball? I remember watching Italian football in the 90's and this being a thing, so maybe it came from there.

 

[Tarqs]

Reminded me of Steven Gerrard shouting at the ref to make sure he was watching, then hurling himself to the ground in the opposite direction to the way he was being pulled.

When did grappling at corners become a thing? What happened to staying goal side , keeping the ball and your man in your vision and attacking the ball? I remember watching Italian football in the 90's and this being a thing, so maybe it came from there.

I've no idea, it infuriates me. Ahmedhozdic is superb at grappling with players and not even looking at the delivery. I don't get it, just stay with ya man and challenge the header. We rarely have anyone challenging the headers.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

I've no idea, it infuriates me. Ahmedhozdic is superb at grappling with players and not even looking at the delivery. I don't get it, just stay with ya man and challenge the header. We rarely have anyone challenging the headers.

What about shirts with Velcro that come apart Chippendale style if they are pulled? Stops shitcuntery at corners and adds summat for the lasses.

 

[Champagneblade]

Highlights and first incident.

What struck me here is that the manhandling on Jack Robinson was far worse than the six of one half a dozen of the other for the pen.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

You could see in yesterday’s match that the fouling calmed down a little after Boro’s penalty.

You've got to be kidding. This was Anel from one of their corners when we were 2-1 up.

 

[Blade56]

Needs stamping out………

 

[Snowflake]

The problem is that you can look at all the players being marked in the box and there will be fouls being committed by both teams. So how can a referee really give anything?

It does need sorting, but I’m not sure how!

Just penalise the first foul seen . It significantly reduced it last night, but as said above, a little late !!

 

[YES Blade]

What about shirts with Velcro that come apart Chippendale style if they are pulled? Stops shitcuntery at corners and adds summat for the lasses.

What about painted on kits? Might be a problem when it rains

 

[YES Blade]

Just penalise the first foul seen . It significantly reduced it last night, but as said above, a little late !!

You’ve probably got 5 attackers being man marked by 5 defenders and they’re all shirt pulling and wrestling.

How can one man keep an eye on all that and determine which one was first and who is fouling who?

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

Over-regulation and addition of rules has zapped a lot of the entertainment out of football.

Far too many fouls given for little niggles.

Fouls in my opinion should only be given for serious overly aggressive actions. Same goes for cards.

I like(d) the aggressive nature of football, it makes it exciting and it's a 90 min escape from reality. The rule makers are sanitising football, they will be playing on soft mats and soft ball pits the way they are babyfying football.

 

[Need4speed]

There are an increasing number of players wrestling while not facing the ball at corners. Even if both fouling I would always give a foul against the player not looking towards the ball

 

[Argentinemanager]

Thought this thread was a continuation of the hillsbrough centre spot incident

 

[100% part time blade]

Once heading has gone, will we end up with something more like a hockey-style short corner and long corner? Then there won’t be any of the shirt pulling wrestling with 18 players trying to stand in the 6-yard box.

 

[Varkanoid]

The corner and subsequent penalty should have never happened at all. Just before that the boro player was clearly offside and the linesman didnt give it. Even Sky agreed it was offside. That given and this penalty/shirt pull wouldnt even be talked about.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Over-regulation and addition of rules has zapped a lot of the entertainment out of football.

Far too many fouls given for little niggles.

Fouls in my opinion should only be given for serious overly aggressive actions. Same goes for cards.

I like(d) the aggressive nature of football, it makes it exciting and it's a 90 min escape from reality. The rule makers are sanitising football, they will be playing on soft mats and soft ball pits the way they are babyfying football.

Agreed there, I think a lot of the Laws of the game aren’t fit for purpose. One of the main ones for me are penalties. Yes it’s supposed to be anything you would give a free kick for you give a penalty for however you could dive in 2 footed in the last minute to stop an oppo player getting the winner and it be a penalty or like we saw last night, grapple and throw yourself on the floor and it be a penalty. Personally I think they should bring in penalty goals similar to penalty tries in rugby if you deny a goal/obvious goal scoring opportunity the opposition get given a goal. All other “penalties” should be indirect free kicks to be taken anywhere within the D outside the penalty box

 

[CornwallBlade]

What I dont get is the lining up, looking just at the guy your marking and putting arms either side - BEFORE the corner is kicked. They don’t even look at the ball so the intent has to be to block players from making a run - How is that not obstruction every time?

 

[KiwiBlabe]

That could work, have the fouls by each player offset so no penalty or free kick, both get booked and retake the corner.

Love this idea.

 

[KiwiBlabe]

There are an increasing number of players wrestling while not facing the ball at corners. Even if both fouling I would always give a foul against the player not looking towards the ball

I agree and have been saying this for a while

 

[KiwiBlabe]

Over-regulation and addition of rules has zapped a lot of the entertainment out of football.

Far too many fouls given for little niggles.

Fouls in my opinion should only be given for serious overly aggressive actions. Same goes for cards.

I like(d) the aggressive nature of football, it makes it exciting and it's a 90 min escape from reality. The rule makers are sanitising football, they will be playing on soft mats and soft ball pits the way they are babyfying football.

Mirrors my thoughts too.

 

[Snowflake]

You’ve probably got 5 attackers being man marked by 5 defenders and they’re all shirt pulling and wrestling.

How can one man keep an eye on all that and determine which one was first and who is fouling who?

The ref simply makes a decision, as he did last night. He may be right or not, but once any ref is seen to be acting the defenders will be more circumspect.

 

[sheepbridge]

And conversely, a dive is a dive and should be booked, but very rarely is.

You can strongly argue that the attacking team has much less to lose from either committing a foul or diving than the defending team. If they are penalised for an infringement than the worst that occurs is a freekick to the opposition or the ref waves play on, but if they succeed then they either have a good chance of getting a goal or a penalty.

I actually think the whole idea of a penalty needs looking at. What Jack did doesn't warrant a free kick at goal from 12 yards out with about an 85% chance of a goal. Same with fouls that occur whilst the player is running away from the goal, in the corner of the area etc. with a 0% chance of scoring, where as a foul when a player is clean through but is just outside the area results in a free kick that allows the opposition to get all their team back defending and a chance of scoring has probably reduced from say 50% to 5%, and actually an award of a penalty would be justified.

 

[Weasel]

Start booking or even sending off players who do it (grappling and holding in the penalty area at set pieces). Yes even our own who do it (Anel being the worst culprit for us). It's like they think the art of defending set pieces is to try and hug the opposition in a bear hug. Are they just insecure with their emotions and wanting some manly love? Ridiculous.

Just get strong refs, who walk into each changing room before the game and tell everyone including the managers, if I see anyone holding/grappling/pulling the opposition at set pieces I will award a foul or a penalty. No warnings, it will be given. I will also book players. Do it again and the same player will get a red. This is the warning. No one can complain then if it's 9 v 9 at the end and 4 pens given. Do it consistently and after a few matches the message will get through. Problem and bad habits sorted.

They do it as they've been allowed to get away with it for so long and now the silly lads think its part of the game. It's not and never should have got to this stage. Weak refereeing.

 

[GymClassHero]

We all we know it goes on and most don’t condone it but a foul is a foul where ever you are on the pitch.
To me it is time that the football administrators (EUFA, the FA, the Premier League) grow some balls and decide that it has to stop.
Either that or some referee with guts and credibility awards a foul every time a ball is played into the box and someone is fouled. Probably awarding a penalty for each 50/50 foul will have the quickest impact. The ref will be lambasted on the day but eventually some good will be the outcome.
You could see in yesterday’s match that the fouling calmed down a little after Boro’s penalty.
The “expects” on TV don’t help by not making more noise about it.
A FOUL IS A FOUL, and yesterday Jack Robinson lost. 50/50.

Rant over

I agree 100%

Was having this debate on shoutbox after the penalty was given - I was fuming with JLT at the time because regardless of who gets away with it, it is a foul if refs do their job correctly. The fact they are so soft on it just creates more problems because when it is occasionally penalized the culprit feels hard done by.

Bottom line is it's a foul and a collective effort needs to be made to eradicate it. Baffles me when you see replays of corners the amount of it that's going on!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Ok so if we are agreeing it is a penalty, based on the below why doesn't the 'boro lad see red for the slap?

https://www.skysports.com/football/...ough-awarded-penalty-against-sheffield-united

Who's agreeing it's a penalty! The feeling on here is 6 of one and half a dozen another.
Players are so crafty at doing the pulling including when ref is looking elsware, some of the worst pulling is done no where near the ball as was the case we'd.
Var could make a big difference in the prem with cameras from all angles.
It seems to be the accepted thing now and refs usually ignore it which just fuels the grappling a licence to cheat!