[NOT HAPPENING] WARNOCK TO THE GRUNTERS??

[judge]

Warnock told talkSPORT: "I did speak to Milan Mandaric last night (Thursday) and I think we both realised then that it wasn't going to be.

"When Milan phoned me originally I did tell him it would be pretty much impossible to manage Sheffield Wednesday when I'm a Blade, but he asked me to have time to think about it. He wanted me to try and keep them up.

"He has tried to bring me in as his manager about four times over the last 20 years so I have got a lot of respect for him.

"I have been pleased about the number of people in Sheffield, Sheffield Wednesday fans as well, that wanted me. But I think it's time to put myself to bed."

Few people on here with egg on their face , bet there wont be any apologies though

 

[judge]

You been at the history changing chemicals again Judge?

Exactly which part of history have I changed ?

 

[Bergen Blade]

The January window was an odd one. The Stead signing was near universally mocked by everyone, including me - I think I suggested it was Sunderland's revenge for us conning them out of £1m+ for Andy Gray. He turned out to be a cracking signing.

The Fathi/Shelton signings came across at the time as ones-for-the-future - using our position in the Premiership to attract two internationals while we could. I might be wrong, but I don't recall them being hailed as immediate starters. They showed both promise and nervousness in the handful of games they played - had Warnock stayed, I think he'd have used them more the following year.

Which begs the question why we were making long-term signings for a manager that only had 5 months on his contract, rather than high-impact signings to help ensure immediate success. NW clearly wanted better players. We were pipped by Blackburn for Stephen Warnock on financial grounds - yet by July we were in a lower league and raising the wage bill substantially. Similarly, he clearly wanted Jerome (his signing the previous January would have also meant we wouldn't have signed either Akinbiyi or Horsfield incidentally) but again we weren't prepared to pay the cash. Which we then splurged out that July for Beattie.

The signings at that time and in retrospect weren't great. Partly NW's fault - more so the Board's though.

Regarding Fathi, we were looking at signing either him or Robert Koren. Koren has had a long and successful stay in England since that, and may have been quicker to adapt if we'd gone for him. Having said that, having watched Fathi for Egypt I'm very confident that he'd been able to play for a top Championship side at the very least.

 

[Bladesway]

Exactly which part of history have I changed ?

Horsfield wasn't a Warnock signing. That bit.

 

[stannyblade]

Said to a wendy fan on Tuesday that Warnock was on the wind up just winding them (and us up)

 

[Bladesway]

My love of Warnock is well documented but I always thought he couldn't and wouldn't do it. Many, many reasons but there are some idiots out there who would actually harm him and his family if he moved to S6.

Being serious, no job is worth that.

I think the way he has played the wind up was spot on, but I really don't like the way he does his washing in public.

 

[sothall blade]

Horsfield signing wasnt down tonhim he didnt want him

Keep lining em up I'll keep knocking em out the park

so who the fuck persued horsfield in a drawn out attempt to sign,i will give you a clue ! "i love a good striker" another clue his initials are NW, a complete waste of a £1 million

 

[oldblade]

possible docked points scenario,weakened team selections have fuck all to do with it,we should have been concentrating on ourselves and getting the results required. correct or incorrect team tactics/selections IS down to the manager, FACT. anything else that comes after achieving survival is a bonus

Why not just make the league a complete free for all. Dispense with any rules and let everyone do what they want.

We finished in 17th place out of the total of 19 teams in the premier league that played to the rules. What they did was no different to what Ben Johnson did in the 1988 Olympic 100 metres final. Noone argues that he should retain his gold medal. And why? Because he had outside help (drugs), just as West Ham had outside help - Tevez.

 

[Darren]

Why not just make the league a complete free for all. Dispense with any rules and let everyone do what they want.

We finished in 17th place out of the total of 19 teams in the premier league that played to the rules. What they did was no different to what Ben Johnson did in the 1988 Olympic 100 metres final. Noone argues that he should retain his gold medal. And why? Because he had outside help (drugs), just as West Ham had outside help - Tevez.

Indeed and it's not just United saying that. An independent panel found that WHU's rule breaking materially effected the relegation struggle and caused our relegation. That's why they had to pay us compensation.

It really is an outrage that that rule breaking was not punished by points deduction as opposed to a fine which was peanuts compared to the money WHU obtained by not being relegated.

 

[Bladesway]

Indeed and it's not just United saying that. An independent panel found that WHU's rule breaking materially effected the relegation struggle and caused our relegation. That's why they had to pay us compensation.

It really is an outrage that that rule breaking was not punished by points deduction as opposed to a fine which was peanuts compared to the money WHU obtained by not being relegated.

Totally agree with that which is why from a moral standpoint I don't give a shit about the Premiership, I don't have a Sky subscription and if we don't go there again so what. They don't want clubs like us until we have billionaire backers who what to call their clubs "Tigers" or the like.

Problem is the entire idea of football is to achieve as high as you possibly can. So your disappointed if you don't get to the holy land and disappointed when you do.

I don't blame Warnock one bit for West Ham cheating but we shouldn't have been in a position for it to matter on the last day.

 

[Darren]

Totally agree with that which is why from a moral standpoint I don't give a shit about the Premiership, I don't have a Sky subscription and if we don't go there again so what. They don't want clubs like us until we have billionaire backers who what to call their clubs "Tigers" or the like.

Problem is the entire idea of football is to achieve as high as you possibly can. So your disappointed if you don't get to the holy land and disappointed when you do.

I don't blame Warnock one bit for West Ham cheating but we shouldn't have been in a position for it to matter on the last day.

The truth is the PL panel dealing with WHU funked it. They would have got shit from WHU had they deducted points that confirmed their relegation and, at the time, it looked very likely they would be relegated anyway. Had that happned, no-one would have complained and they wouldn't have got shit from anyone.

Unfortunately (for us mainly), a Tevez inspired WHU's sudden upturn in form scuppered that plan.

On a seperate point there was also that 6th minute of injury time "equaliser" Kozluk got at WHU that was strangely ruled out on the basis that midget man geary fouled their giant of a keeper. Had that counted....

 

[Selly]

The truth is the PL panel dealing with WHU funked it. They would have got shit from WHU had they deducted points that confirmed their relegation and, at the time, it looked very likely they would be relegated anyway. Had that happned, no-one would have complained and they wouldn't have got shit from anyone.

Unfortunately (for us mainly), a Tevez inspired WHU's sudden upturn in form scuppered that plan.

On a seperate point there was also that 6th minute of injury time "equaliser" Kozluk got at WHU that was strangely ruled out on the basis that midget man geary fouled their giant of a keeper. Had that counted....

I'm absolutely convinced that the decicion in Feb of that year to stick the hearing at the back end of the season was based on exactly this premise.

They will be down by then. Won`t matter what the punishment is.

Unfortunately when the panel came round (WHU having plead guilty at the latest possible moment) WU were very much in the battle to stay up, thanks to an unlikely win at Arsenal.

Then they only fined them.

And they jumped through hoops to allow him to play against Wigan the next day.

And more hoops the following week to allow him to play against Bolton/Man U.

The whole thing fucking stinks. It looks shit, its smells shit, it tastes shit. Ergo it is shit.

You culd probaly replace shit with teh word corrupt and you wouldn't be far wrong.

On a seperate point there was also that 6th minute of injury time "equaliser" Kozluk got at WHU that was strangely ruled out on the basis that midget man geary fouled their giant of a keeper. Had that counted....

Don`t forget the goal they scored at Blackburn where Tevez, standing in an offside position, stopped a shot from one of their players going in, and a goal was given...

 

[Darren]

I'm absolutely convinced that the decicion in Feb of that year to stick the hearing at the back end of the season was based on exactly this premise.

They will be down by then. Won`t matter what the punishment is.

Unfortunately when the panel came round (WHU having plead guilty at the latest possible moment) WU were very much in the battle to stay up, thanks to an unlikely win at Arsenal.

Then they only fined them.

And they jumped through hoops to allow him to play against Wigan the next day.

And more hoops the following week to allow him to play against Bolton/Man U.

The whole thing fucking stinks. It looks shit, its smells shit, it tastes shit. Ergo it is shit.

You culd probaly replace shit with teh word corrupt and you wouldn't be far wrong.



Don`t forget the goal they scored at Blackburn where Tevez, standing in an offside position, stopped a shot from one of their players going in, and a goal was given...

The hearing was on 27th April and, with 3 games left, at that stage we had 35 points and WHU 33. We had two home games left against lowly Watford and Wigan and one away against mid table Villa. WHU had one home game against mid table Bolton and two away at lowly Wigan and possibly needing the points to win the league Man Utd. WHU, after that win at Arsenal, that been hammered by us and Chelsea before scraping a win over Everton, so they were not in hat good form.

Any sane person would have thought it highly likely WHU were going down anyway. I think the decision was based on a wish for a quietlife rathr than aything else.

 

[judge]

so who the fuck persued horsfield in a drawn out attempt to sign,i will give you a clue ! "i love a good striker" another clue his initials are NW, a complete waste of a £1 million

It was widely reported at the time that warnock didn't want him once he signed akinbyi but someone at the club had signed a cast iron agreement with west brom and we had to sign him , their chairman publicly came out and stated this

Also horsfield was signed the season before we were in the premiership when the aim was promotion, this was achieved

 

[Darren]

What is also strange is that, give the PL discovered what was happening in Jan and the hearing wasn't until April why Tevez wasn't suspended from playing until the whole issue had been decided. That would have ensured an early hearing....

 

[Selly]

Any sane person would have thought it highly likely WHU were going down anyway. I think the decision was based on a wish for a quietlife rathr than aything else.

I tend to agree, I thnk teh decision to have the hearing at the end of the season was motivated by this desire as well, as they thought WHU would already be down. It was what followed (the jumping through hoops, the unilateral tearing up of a cntrac, the fact they accepted £2m for a £30m player they had asserted they had on a 4 year contract only weeks before) that left a really sour taste in the mouth.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

What is also strange is that, give the PL discovered what was happening in Jan and the hearing wasn't until April why Tevez wasn't suspended from playing until the whole issue had been decided. That would have ensured an early hearing....

The bottom line is that brand name of “The Premiership” is important above all else.
They want as many World-Class players to be playing in The Premiership as possible because it boosts the brand.
It wouldn’t make the brand look good if top class players were suspended from playing over some trifling piece of rule-breaking.
That’s why The Premiership didn’t suspend Tevez before the hearing and why they bent over backwards to keep him playing, even with what they knew to be dodgy paperwork.
You can’t claim to be the best league in the world without the best players and if the rules prevent them playing, well then change or bend the rules.

 

[Darren]

I tend to agree, I thnk teh decision to have the hearing at the end of the season was motivated by this desire as well, as they thought WHU would already be down. It was what followed (the jumping through hoops, the unilateral tearing up of a cntrac, the fact they accepted £2m for a £30m player they had asserted they had on a 4 year contract only weeks before) that left a really sour taste in the mouth.

That latter point is very suspect. The PL approved a deal whereby MSI paid WHU £2M in order for them not to object to MSI selling Tevez's registration for £20M. How on earth is that consistent with WHU's argument that there was no third party influence over Tevez?

On 5 July, the Daily Mail reported that Tévez had agreed to join Manchester United in a deal worth £20 million, which was subject to an appeal from West Ham;[35] West Ham said in turn that they would block any transfer unless they received a majority of the transfer fee.[36] The next day, West Ham released a statement that Tévez was under contract until June 2010, in addition to denying having held negotiations with any other club.[37] Joorabchian contradicted the claim by saying that West Ham had indeed given permission to United to engage in talks.[38]
Manchester United and West Ham sought FIFA's assistance to rule on Tévez's ownership, but on 24 July, FIFA suggested that the case be referred to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.[39] Joorabchian intervened by issuing West Ham with a High Court writ "...to compel West Ham to release the registration of Carlos Tévez in accordance with contracts entered into between the parties."[40] However, the case never made it to court as the Premier League approved an agreement between West Ham and MSI, in which MSI would pay £2 million to West Ham, who in turn released Tévez from his contract.[41]

 

[Sothall_Blade]

From the Sheffield Telegraph:- << Warnock, revealing he offered his services to United following Danny Wilson’s departure in April before approaching them again on the eve of last season’s League One play-offs, added: “I’ve heard a lot of people saying that I only entertained the Wednesday job because I wanted to prove some sort of point to the people at United. That’s not the case at all.
“Yes, I’m not going to deny that I was disappointed they didn’t take me up on that. I really wanted to help out at what was an important time >>

Another stupid mistake by the United Board!
I don't think Warnock could have taken us up last season (with those players) but we'd certainly have had a better shot at it.
If he'd then stayed on for this season we wouldn't be battling relegation now either.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

so who the fuck persued horsfield in a drawn out attempt to sign,i will give you a clue ! "i love a good striker" another clue his initials are NW, a complete waste of a £1 million

Trouble with Warnock is he loved strikers that used to be good (Tommy Mooney etc.).

He signed his resignation letter by saying it was "in our hands" when we were 12 points clear of the bottom three. He was right, it was and he fucked it up (notwithstanding the chicanery from the cheating Wet Sham bastards).

 

[judge]

Personally I think if hulse had not had that horrendous injury we would have stayed up , of course warnock didnt sign him it was the striker fairys left him under mccabes pillow

 

[sitwell]

Sheff Utd ,15th in the premier league beating Spurs 2-1 in frnt of 32,000 to sheff Utd 2-1 losing at home to Hartlepool in front of 3ooo in the Paint cup 6 years later and still some Blades slag Warnock off

 

[oldblade]

The truth is the PL panel dealing with WHU funked it. They would have got shit from WHU had they deducted points that confirmed their relegation and, at the time, it looked very likely they would be relegated anyway. Had that happned, no-one would have complained and they wouldn't have got shit from anyone.

Unfortunately (for us mainly), a Tevez inspired WHU's sudden upturn in form scuppered that plan.

On a seperate point there was also that 6th minute of injury time "equaliser" Kozluk got at WHU that was strangely ruled out on the basis that midget man geary fouled their giant of a keeper. Had that counted....

And the penalty awarded against Morgan for 'intent' in the first game of the season, which cost us two points. Plus the clear foul on Bromby in the penalty are at Goodison Park that went unpunished, and the even clearer foul on Shelton in the penalty area at Old Trafford that also went unpunished. Although we would have still lost those two games, if both 'penalties' had been scored we would have stayed up.

And unless my memory is playing tricks (which it does sometimes!) I seem to remember that Jagielka was shoved just before handling in our penalty area in that fateful final game and so we should have had a free kick awarded to us rather than a penalty against us. And shortly before that I also remember an unpunished foul in the Wigan penalty area that should have seen us awarded a penalty.

If I started to go through all the games we played in that season I have little doubt that many more such examples could be found. I also have a vague recollection of a 'league' table knocking around at the time showing how teams had been adversely affected by poor decisions and I think we were one of the worst affected sides.

The so called experts claim that such things even out over a season. They might do for some, but they didn't for us during that season.

 

[true99blade]

So it's back to this conversation again.
Fucking Danny Webber...

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Few people on here with egg on their face , bet there wont be any apologies though

Like who?

 

[Kentblade]

And the penalty awarded against Morgan for 'intent' in the first game of the season, which cost us two points. Plus the clear foul on Bromby in the penalty are at Goodison Park that went unpunished, and the even clearer foul on Shelton in the penalty area at Old Trafford that also went unpunished. Although we would have still lost those two games, if both 'penalties' had been scored we would have stayed up.

And unless my memory is playing tricks (which it does sometimes!) I seem to remember that Jagielka was shoved just before handling in our penalty area in that fateful final game and so we should have had a free kick awarded to us rather than a penalty against us. And shortly before that I also remember an unpunished foul in the Wigan penalty area that should have seen us awarded a penalty.

If I started to go through all the games we played in that season I have little doubt that many more such examples could be found. I also have a vague recollection of a 'league' table knocking around at the time showing how teams had been adversely affected by poor decisions and I think we were one of the worst affected sides.

The so called experts claim that such things even out over a season. They might do for some, but they didn't for us during that season.

Jags was certainly pushed before the award of the penalty,of that there was no doubt as we were there at that game.We journeyed home 210 miles and not a word was spoken.
UTB

 

[oldblade]

Jags was certainly pushed before the award of the penalty,of that there was no doubt as we were there at that game.We journeyed home 210 miles and not a word was spoken.
UTB

I was also there, but at the other end of the ground so it was quite difficult to make out exactly what happened. I have a vague recollection of watching the TV coverage quite some time later. Couldn't face watching it on that that day

 

[sothall blade]

Why not just make the league a complete free for all. Dispense with any rules and let everyone do what they want.

We finished in 17th place out of the total of 19 teams in the premier league that played to the rules. What they did was no different to what Ben Johnson did in the 1988 Olympic 100 metres final. Noone argues that he should retain his gold medal. And why? Because he had outside help (drugs), just as West Ham had outside help - Tevez.

you are missing the point,win games = 3 points thus more points gained = better chance of staying up instead hoping that other clubs with knights of the realm within there club are going to be sacrificed.its what is done on the pitch that counts

 

[madeinsheffield]

So it's back to this conversation again.
Fucking Danny Webber...

Think you mean Danny fucking Webber, which is a very different statement!

 

[Selly]

you are missing the point,win games = 3 points thus more points gained = better chance of staying up instead hoping that other clubs with knights of the realm within there club are going to be sacrificed.its what is done on the pitch that counts

Spot on.

Of course having 2 of the world best players playing for you can only help in this endeavour...