Knock one out you mean.
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Knock one out you mean.
Yeah Deadbad lolI don't see that at all, don't always agree with Deadbad, but his comments are balanced and fair.
I hadn't spotted that lol!Yeah Deadbad lol
Weβre doing that a lot giving or should I say letting opponents have space it happened in the Sunderland game thatβs why they controlled midfield. Something CW needs to look at especially with 4/5 midfielders on the pitchI was more generous towards Seriki, largely because of the lack of support, but his positioning is highly suspect. There was a break early second half where Johnstone had half the pitch to himself and Seriki was completely out of position. He's done really well this season but that is an aspect of his game which needs a lot of work.
Itβs a lot closer this season we need some good additions just to compete as come January everyone else will add to their squad.With a few more quality additions you have to say promotion is ours to throw away.
TallHow did Heggem look for them?
Thats What I thought as well Harry ! Cruel deflection and the ball spinning in the wind.We would have won barring that ! Really playing well at that junction the goal hit us hard and gave them a lift.Apart from the low Gilchrist mark, who I thought was our best defender, the rest I more or less agree with, thought Campbell was worth a 7 perhaps.
The goal I have also taken another look at and Cooper was so unluckyβ¦not only does it get the wicked deflection but a huge gust of wind blows it over him as well.
O'Hare who scored and got MoM?perhaps give him a go as 2nd striker and bench O'hare.
I'm gonna pretend I didn't see this.and unleashing Burrows up front causing meyhem
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O hare had his best game - he was terrific - so was Burrows , imoBeggars belief that some on here seem keen for Brewster to get a contract renewal. Our limited resources could be spent more shrewdly elsewhere.
As for Rak-Sakyi I think he needs to be played in a position where he has very little defensive duty. Right wing might not be best, perhaps give him a go as 2nd striker and bench O'hare. Give Brooks a series of starts down the right so he can find some form, I'm sure he'd help out more defensively than Rak-Sakyi.
Do you judge a player by one match or by their form over the season? No disrespect to O'Hare but Rak-Sakyi is clearly the more potent player and is definitely going to have a better career, he just needs a role with minimal defensive duties. Make the most of him whilst he's here.O'Hare who scored and got MoM?
I'm gonna pretend I didn't see this.
Cooper was not at fault the ball took a wicked deflection.United β Missing both centre backs and with no Arblaster or Moore, it was almost half a side from our strongest team so definitely would have taken a draw from the start β as I said at Coventry. The game played out in a similar fashion with us not starting at all, off the pace and looking half asleep as the home team dominated and deservedly led. We were poor on and off the ball and just sat off and invited pressure. We almost invited the home side on. It was odd and as we sat off and did not press, the few times we had the ball, we seemed to just pump it forward. We looked a long way off a side at the top and the new right side of the defence as badly exposed as they played on Seriki and Gilchrist. We were not able to get in the game at all and they had a few half chances before they scored. Like at Coventry, it was bad marking as Souza seemed to lose his man this time and they headed in. It had been coming though and they could have had a goal before that with several crosses and shots coming in. After this we woke up and scored two good goals β the first a little lucky how it fell but Hamer and Burrows very good in the set up and even better in the second goal which was a lovely team move goal. After this the confidence raised and Peck before the half and then Campbell after had chances and thought we had control. The Campell injury seemed to throw us off our stride but the leveller sort of came out of nothing as Peckβs loose touch saw them break and Seriki got ran past and then we did not press. I thought Cooper was a bit slow but like with our first, was a bit lucky where it ended up.
After this I sensed with the lack of options and youngsters we had out there, it would be tough to win it and we did not have many clear chances but did have lots of good breaks but made poor choices. They did seem the more likely with Johnston a constant threat and they had chances down both sides as they continued to get us one on one in wide areas. I thought we were at full stretch and with better choices from them, they would have maybe won it. In the end, a draw was about right. It was a good game for a contest played in horrible weather. I think with the lack of depth (they are putting on Swift and we are putting on Shackleton to make the point) and injuries/suspensions, itβs a good point though and one we definitely will take. I thought after the first 20 minutes, we were not going to get anything but then after we turned it around had chances to go on and put it away. They then ended up stretching us and were causing us problems. I think at the moment we are showing real quality in brei spells of games and that is enough but the actual performances, especially away are a bit ragged an we have done well to get draws at Coventry and West Brom when the home sides will say they created more and had more territory overall. We just seem a bit disjointed but decent sides get results and keep runs going even when they are not at their best. Hopefully with some players back we can start to improve the consistency in games and we can also start games better. We saw some of the youngsters it was a bit of a struggle at times today I felt and they did not have the same impact they have had in games at the Lane.
Still, we now have another hard away game and again Iβd take a draw and then have two better fixtures in Plymouth and Cardiff, two strugglers, before the two home games over Xmas where things will be different at Bramall Lane even against good sides. As I say, we will have a few back but worrying that Campbell might be out for a bit now, and with One not having an impact today and Brewster looking miles off it, we have few options at the top of the field. Still, we saw some of the excellent individual performances from the likes of Hamer, OβHare and Burrows and with those players we can always have a chance in games, even if we are off our best.
Ratings:
Cooper 5.5/10 β Has certainly had more to do in the last few games with the changes in defence as we have not looked as solid. Had to make a number of saves early on even though all were regulation he was not really protected like he has been most of his time here. The goal he has little chance in a crowd of bodies. The second goal I think he needs to do better and for once was slow to react and as soon as it looped up. I think by his high standards he will be disappointed as he seemed a bit stuck? Maybe that is harsh but my initial reaction β this is where his lack of inches might be a factor in terms of teams looking at him? After this a few crosses/shots bounced in and he was the busier to end the game.
Seriki 4/10 β Thought it would be a big test and a harder game with it being an away game and having more to do defensively. They seemed to target this side and with JRS not really helping, got a lot of joy and Johnston had a fair bit of space. Quite a few crosses and balls came in as Gilchrist also was leaving a big gap. He did finally get up the field more after the first 25-30 mins and had a part in some of our attacks as we got back in it. Second half he had a good spell to start with but then they started to come at us after they levelled. He really struggled but was given no help and they kept coming at us. Should not have been left one on one so much but had a difficult afternoon.
Burrows 7/10 β Was pushed back to begin with and some sloppy touches/backpasses but then he got going the other way and he was involved in many of our attacks that led to us turning it round. Put in balls for both goals, with the first dropping a bit fortunately but the second was an absolute gem and on a plate for Campbell. He is a real threat attacking wise with this quality on his left foot. Second half saw little from him on the attacking sense as they came at us more. Two or three dreadful set plays gave them the ball back and not the same impact second half but gets a good grade for his impact on both goals.
Gilchrist 5/10 β Bit of a struggle as Grant and Maja imposed themselves but they had little protection in front and the ball was coming at us too easily. He looked a bit slow to react and not sure positionally he got in great areas but did get a few blocks in. I thought it became a struggle after the break as they came at us more and he picked up a yellow card and they started to run behind us. The gap continued between him and the right back and they had so much space. He seemed to really struggle with the physical aspect of the game and thought he was stuck in the mud almost as they got away from him. He kept plugging away but I am not sure he is tall enough to be an orthodox centre half despite people saying that is his position?
Robinson 5.5/10 β Bit of a wild first half with a number of good blocks and clearances but some awful hacks and punts forward as you saw how we probably donβt appreciate ball playing of Souttar and Anel. He is a bit no nonsense and can be clumsy. Second half scrapped and fought but we did not win enough of the balls coming in and we did not look as tight defensively
Souza 5.5/10 β Not his usual self in terms of controlling midfield and pressing with it and felt they completely controlled midfield to start and had so much space with no pressure on the ball from him, Peck and the forward players. He also was slow on the goal and seemed to be his man as he did not get across to even put him off. He did start to see more of it and we finally got up the field and of course then turned it round before the half. After the break he seemed to tire and maybe the game he has played and the miles he has put in had an impact as thought he looked quite leggy and not the impact he has had in other games.
Peck 6/10 β As with Souza quiet to begin with and we did not engage in terms of pressing or getting around them and lost the loose balls and headers/drops in the middle of the field and in turn they moved it wide and got at us. We just seemed to sit off but then the goal gave us life and we score another and suddenly we look the aggressor. He had a shot over where he maybe should have done better. On their leveller he is guilty of losing the ball but a lot happened after that. He kept plugging away and a few decent touches, runs but a few where he was loose. I thought he was better than Souza today actually but we never had control of midfield really other than maybe 10 mins before half time and 10 after?
Rak Sayki 4.5/10 β Non existent to start really as he did not get back to help Seriki and also was not on the ball and got crowded out. Got booked when he did finally got on it and was a yellow for a clear dive but then he started to find some space and gaps as we had some attacks down both sides. Should have had a foul when his shirt was pulled but when he grabbed it, thought he might get sent off with the referee having the game he was having! He had a few runs but his finishing/final ball was poor. Had a header and also then had a shot. He did not do the defensive side at all today and that is why his mark is so low as left Seriki badly exposed.
OβHare 7/10 β Not involved to start with as we were defending but did not get amongst them to stop the ball coming out either. He just struggled to get into it but eventually he was on the spot to score the finish from close range and had another goal and then was busy and involved in a few other decent moves. Seemed to grow from here and he was probably our outstanding player, just above Hamer. Busy, got his foot in, linked well, carried it and did loads of good defensive work. Been critical of him this season but recently he has really improved and was very good today and gave a nature performance.
Hamer 7/10 β Thought he was our main bright spark even from the start as he looked to get on the ball and make things happen even if we were second best. Involved in the better attacks we did have after we finally awoke from our slumber. Had one shot blocked, then was involved in both the goals I think, with the second a lovely ball to Burrows. Another unnecessary booking. Lovely nutmeg second half that led to the Campbell chance. He is the one player where you think something might happen when he gets it but also he can make the wrong choice too. He showed some sublime touches and most of our good moves come from him but he needs to be more clinical with his final pass at times β although the goals showed when he gets it right he can be so important.
Campbell 6.5/10 β Quiet and behind the ball to start the game as it came back at us but gradually after living off scraps he started to find more of the ball and he was able to link a few times. The second goal was a superb finish, not that it was hard but got past his man and in the right area to turn it home β which he has done a few times. Had a shot saved second half but had been holding his hamstring before the half and then it seemed to go after the break. We looked a different team after he went off and hope it is not a proper pull as he will be out till after Xmas if so.
Subs -
One 4/10 β Not really in the game and found it a struggle against an experienced centre back in One. Needed to show more for it and did not even really put himself and did not get to the pace of the ball. After Campbell went off, we had little threat at the top.
Brewster 2/10 β Appalling. He tackled himself. Twice. Gave them the ball at least three times and then just looked for fouls. Looked miles off the pace and standard needed for a side going for promotion. Yes, he has just come back but if that was a young kid, we would be going mad and saying he cannot even complete a simple piece of control or pass. Set them on the attack three times. Won a free kick and had one shot but that was easy but at least had a go. Almost like a fan put on the pitch at this stage β or a parody. He is beyond bad and those saying he just needs a run of games β really? I would send him out on loan in January and rather see if we can sign someone else as viable competition.
Shackleton β Thought he would be put on to help Seriki but given the right back slot. He was beaten by Grant down the side but hard game to get into and they had runners down the side.
Norrington Davies- Not sure saw much of him other than one clearance away.
Manager: Wilder 6.5/10 β Itβs a draw on the road to a side fancied to be near the playoffs so will take that and especially with a depleted back line. I also think that considering how we started, he will be pleased to just get out with something although that might be tempered with the fact we led and had chances either side of the break. I do think we need to arrest these poor and lethargic starts on the road. It seems like it takes us ages to get going in games.
West Brom β Always seem to be in around the playoff most seasons and this seems to be the case again this year. They do have a decent manager and some quality across the side but lack consistency and goals to properly contend for the top two and will be the case again this season I feel. They have barely conceded any and along with us and Burnley, seem to be three rock solid sides defensively but they have not scored enough and have drawn too many games. They have dropped off recently and Maja, who has been prolific, has not scored as many goals so they have struggled to win games. I like Corberan and feel he always speaks well too. I do wonder if he will eventually get a Premier League job but then recent times WBA fans been a bit critical and say they have not been the most exciting to watch when you look at the goal records and how few goals are going in.
I look at them and think they will be again around 5th- 9th (with a few others like Norwich etc) and may get again, may not but not sure they have the same quality/consistency top of the pitch as the big sides. Today they played really well for 20 mins, dominated the ball and were the better side as they won midfield. They will have been frustrated after leading, that they did not sustain it and lost two sloppy goals where they were ran past down their right hand side. After this they seemed to lost the complete control that they had. When they levelled, thought it was a bit out of the blue but after this they seemed more likely but as the home team and against a side with a number of players missing, they will be frustrated to draw again. They looked decent at times going forward but they were poor at the back β odd as this has been the opposite of the blueprint most of the season.
Opponent Man of the Match β Johnston was a player we were linked with and you could see why. He was very good and most of their good play came from him although was a bit wasteful with a few opportunities. He has good pace and decent on the ball though. Fellows was decent too and a decent midfielder.
Opponent Weak link β Furlong takes a sizeable long throw but he was really poor and not close enough to Burrows on the two goals. Indeed he and Seriki were the two defenders that struggled the most in the game. The centre backs got pulled about a fair bit too. Maja was quiet also but they had a few others who were lively running with the ball.
Referee/Officials β David Webb. Another incredibly poor and fussy referee who thought it was all about him. 6 yellow cards (4 for us) and whilst some of these were deserved as lots of shirt pulling (missed the one from JRS though) he was just so frustrating. He kept blowing his whistle and for a spell second half he gave them so many fouls for barely any contact. They just fell over and he gave it. He just kept blowing his whistle and it was beyond frustrating. We seem to be watching referees who are simply too involved, too busy stopping play and he was the embodiment of this. He gave them some poor decisions too, so it was not just down to him being poor one way really. Sure there fans would have the same frustration if you asked them but it did seem we had several breaks and played pulled back/took out and he never went back and booked them -the fact they had two bookings is incredible really as they were as cynical as us in the game!
got to agree in part, a really good away point against a top 8 side with half a team having to be juggled with , yet a high mark of 7 and an average of just under 5 is harshWow, invariably I used to read your reports and be surprised how often they mirrored my own thoughts. What happened this season? You whinge after pretty much every game, your marks are ridiculously low and rather than an insightful report, you come across as really bitter for some reason.
got to agree in part, a really good away point against a top 8 side with half a team having to be juggled with , yet a high mark of 7 and an average of just under 5 is harsh
Albion have draw 0-0 at home to leeds and burnley and they both averaged 8s from their respective fans in goal less games
yesterday was entertaining and we get half way marks ? why do we constantly slag our players off, good job we arent 9th in the table or wed be described as relegation fodder
As I have said in here before, Deadbat's rating scores are not the same as the ratings we remember from The People and News of the World that we are used to.got to agree in part, a really good away point against a top 8 side with half a team having to be juggled with , yet a high mark of 7 and an average of just under 5 is harsh
Albion have draw 0-0 at home to leeds and burnley and they both averaged 8s from their respective fans in goal less games
yesterday was entertaining and we get half way marks ? why do we constantly slag our players off, good job we arent 9th in the table or wed be described as relegation fodder
A few observations from the stats:
- Hamer remains our pivotal offensive link, with twice as many key passes as anyone else and most successful dribbles. Having had some ineffective games OβHare is slowly becoming a bit more of a star, with most shots, third most tackles - and another goal. And Campbell is becoming more than just a great goal scorer, with 2 key passes and even a tackle.
- Burrows again stands out, with most crosses (5 next best 1), most clearances, third most tackles etc. and considering how short in stature our defenders are, we won more aerial duels than I expected (Burrows with 3), and with the sides matched at 12 duels each.
- Vini had most successful tackles (as always) and a 96% pass accuracy rate. Peckβs figures again look a little below par, with no tackles, no interceptions, and a pass accuracy rate of only 70%. Arb is badly missed.
All in all, we were more competitive than I feared, and aside from an unlucky deflection, could have won. A good point.
As I have said in here before, Deadbat's rating scores are not the same as the ratings we remember from The People and News of the World that we are used to.
4= stinker
5= poor
6 = below average
7 = average
8 = good
9 = excellent
10 = out of the world
TC got 10/10 in the games against West Ham in March 1975 and against Stoke in April 1975
As I said ... your rating scores are not the same as what we were used to from reading the match reports from 40/50 years ago. Yes, I see your point about no ratings from 1 to 3. Your rating scores reminds me of how teachers from my school and line managers at work I have worked under used to rate me in my reports! Very rarely I got a good report!So did they not bother giving marks 1-3? Seems odd
Most papers annoy me as they give our marks 6 and 7 for the majority of players no matter what happens. So 8 numbers (11 if you count Zero!) are barely used.
There marks are nonsensical in that 5 is poor - 5 is average - literally is half of 10! So by that alone it means average. How can 7 out of 10 be average?!
Never made no sense to me! Riley Roberts gave out a rational for his
I agree I am a harsh marker but at least give our a range of marks rather than just settling on the same few marks.
Riley Roberts who does marks on X/Twitter and for the Pinch uses the below which are interesting and at least provide a rationale.
Mine are broadly in line with his really - in terms of 5 being average - anything below means I am normally disappointed and above 6 normally means ok to decent. 10's and 9's should only be given oru rarely. Ditto for 1's and 2's.
At the end of the day it's a game of opinions but I could never get along with newspaper marks. Look at any today or a Sunday and it's just a lazy set of 6's and 7's in many teams. Tells you nothing really and often inaccurate I feel.
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Ratings system:
- 0 β Reserved for anyone who has a wayward effort at goal smash me in the face, unlikely to ever happen.
- 1 β Worst of the worst. Saved for disastrous performances, with result-altering mistakes.
- 2 β A terrible performance. Performances where a player offers very little and has many unsuccessful actions, ultimately proving to be a major detriment to the teamβs overall performance.
- 3 β A bad performance. Negative contribution. Like a 2, just a bit less rubbish.
- 4 β A below-average performance. Not necessarily having a negative impact on the game; it could just be a player who struggled to impact the game at all.
- 5 β The baseline rating. All players go into a game starting on a 5 β itβs bang average, given out for an unremarkable yet solid performance, for a postman delivering the post.
- 6 β A decent performance. A player who gets a 6 has positively contributed to the game, and at the very least has had some impressive moments while being generally solid outside of them.
- 7 β A good performance. Awarded for players who had a noticeable positive impact on the game.
- 8 β A very good performance. A player who made significant contributions to the outcome of the game with their performance and consistently displayed a high level throughout.
- 9 β An outstanding performance. To score as high as a 9, a player needs to be dominant throughout the match, performing at a level well above the standard and/or making multiple game-changing contributions.
- 10 β A perfect 10, unlikely to ever see the light of day as nobody has a flawless game. For me to even think about giving out a 10 it would probably have to be a player doing something historic or unheard of.
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