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I have spent the last week in Italy with the family and saw a game whilst I was there. Spent a night in Pisa (where we flew into) and went up the Leaning Tower etc. We then spent most of the trip in Florence. Stayed fairly central. Lovely city with some great sights and genuine history. Scaled more high buildings and had some e lovely strolls around the city and outskirts with some incredible views. We had a day trip to Milan and went up the Cathedral there and also had a tour of the San Siro. It is sizeable and has some impressive elements but for me nowhere near as good as Bernabeu, Stadium of Light (Lisbon), Nou Camp, Emirates, Old Trafford, Wembley and even Millenium Stadium. It looks good from the outside but inside it has two layers missing on the sides but they cannot construct it any more (due to what is outside the ground – bit like Old Trafford with the main stand). My son rocked his Blades shirt but the tour guide had never heard of us! Imagine it is good match day as pitch quite small and stands right on top of the action.


Anyway, I digress the game I actually saw was in Florence; Fiorentina v Napoli. Walked to the ground (fair hike from centre) and had a few beers outside; stood with many of the home fans before going in. The ground itself is poor really. It is a very old ground and 3 sides are open to the elements but think it is listed and cannot be altered much. Holds around 48,000; there were maybe around 35-40,000 in. Napoli brought quite a big following (Italian sides not known to travel much for away games – actually that is the case in many countries in Europe) and they were all squashed into a corner with protective glass on both sides and a lot of police. I saw on the side stand but nearest home ‘Kop.’ Had a beer inside the ground and took it to my seat (unheard of in UK!)


The Viola ultras made themselves heard and were packed in and extremely loud. Despite the seats they all stood for the whole game. When the teams came out, they were numerous fireworks, smoke bombs and flares going off. It was quite a sight. Video attached hopefully.





Interesting everyone is searched when they go in and have to produce ID and ticket but these ‘ultras’ basically take in what they want and the police kind of turn a blind eye to it.


Napoli are managed by Benitez and had Higuain up front with former Liverpool keeper Reina in goal and a few other stand out players who have been impressing in Serie A the last few seasons such as Pandev, Behrami and Hamsik. Whilst Fiorentina’s main man Giuseppe Rossi is quite prolific in Serie A. Their big summer signing Mario Gomez from Germany is out injured I believe. The home side had a few ‘showy’ players in Vajero (ex West Brom I believe – Spaniard who had all sorts of tricks) in centre of midfield and Cuadrado (Colombian-very fast but prone to hit the deck) and Joaquin (another Spaniard) on the wing. They had former Man City player Savic at the back and ex Liverpool player Aquillani. They also had the delightfully named Neto in the net!


Anyway in short Napoli won 2-1. It was a good game with an action packed first half and was quite open at times. It slowed down at times and often the fans preferred a piece of skill or a flick to anything constructive. Technically it was decent but at times when in the last third defences packed in attacking players run out of ideas. They get easily frustrated with aimless balls and demand it to be passed but often this side to side stuff goes nowhere (Weir!).

As for the game and the goals, the visitors scored a lovely worked goal scored by Callejon which was equalised by a Rossi penalty (very dubious).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTXqPijDzNo

After this the home side hit the post but almost immediately Mertens scored a wonderful goal for Napoli after a series of one-twos. Second half it was one way traffic but Reina made a few saves. There were two red cards, one for Napoli and one for Fiorentina as Cuadrado was sent off for getting 2 yellow cards for diving! Indeed I am sure there were at least 4 yellows for simulation. The home fans were going ballistic but the ref was right with most decisions (apart from an innocuous penalty he gave to the Viola). They really put pressure on the ref all game and were quite hostile to the visitors with boos and whistles every time they got it. Callejon got particular abuse (former player I believe) and when he scored he got a right earful before many fans ran down almost onto the pitch to vent their feelings.

Some of the chants are identical to the English ones (Sure they sang the fat Spanish waiter one in Italian to Benitez – it was the same tune and many were pointing at him). Sure they also sang the ‘Sheffield Weds f****d it up’ when a score involving the struggling Milan came up on the scoreboard! They had a variety of tunes and the home fans were very supportive. Yes, they got frustrated at times but for the most part they got behind their side and most of the noise was at the opponents or towards the officials. They did have a Doyle type scapegoat (the right back!) but even at the end they stayed and sang and were singing as they left the ground; despite the loss! Maybe our home fans could learn something (mind you they aren’t in the third tier - although were right down there recently when were demoted after being declared bankrupt- have worked back up the leagues). Incidentally Fiorentina won 2-0 at Milan (who were booed off with calls for manager to be sacked!) on Saturday and went up to 4th. If I had timed our trips better I may have stayed on for that game. Roma are top still and have won all 10 games. Napoli won again and are right behind them. Both Milan teams nowhere near the top.


The atmosphere was far better than I thought at the game with a sizeable away travelling and proper home end that was partisan to say the least. I expected it to be dull as crowds have really dropped in Italy with England and Germany now the biggest and most atmospheric crowds/stadiums. I have been to games around Europe and in Spain (Barca a few times) and Italy before (comparison was Roma a few years ago who had their own passionate home fans but nowhere near numbers or noise/colour of the Viola). It was a good experience and I really enjoyed it. It was around £45 for the ticket and I bought it from a ticket kiosk near the centre (Republicca square just down from the Cathedral) on the day of the game. Think it is cheaper if you get in advance but I was not very organised!

After the game I had a few more beers. Ended up speaking to quite a few American students –who were at the game (quite a few of the big US colleges have bases here) and educating them on the beautiful game – many had been for the first time. Suffice to say most I told most to adopt Sheffield United as their British team. Weird to then stroll away from the ground and be within Florence cathedral within a short while (bit nicer building than the Mosque near the Lane!)


Hope that was not too boring (sorry reads a bit; here is what I did on my hols!) and of interest to some of you! Certainly was probably preferable to going to the Greenhous Meadow.
 



I did that same trip with my gf in the summer, minus the football game. Flew to Pisa with Ryanair (airport is close to the centre of town), then took a train to Florence, which is about an hour's journey through the pretty countryside.

As I had never been to Italy I was a bit dubious, but things couldn't have gone better. Florence is a fantastic place, crammed full of history, not crazily expensive, and the food was the best I've ever had on a holiday. We did a lot of walking, which Florence is good for, went up the cathedral and spent the rest of the time glugging the fantastic wine and stuffing gnocci down our necks. There are pt of a plenty of opportunities for side trips if we'd had more time.

We saw the leaning tower on the way back, but Pisa to me looked like a bit of a shithole compared to Florence, and I'm glad we changed our original plan to base ourselves there.
 
Yes, there was little to do in Pisa. We only stayed there as plane got in late and then had a few hours by the tower/church the next morning and then headed back to the station to go onto Florence.

Florence was really good. Lots to do if you want but equally you can just chill out too with a bottle of wine and a picnic or walk around. Some incredible views from Fiesole and then the other side; near the copy of Michaelangelo's David (we did see the real one in the Accademia).

Back to reality today with freezing cold UK and work. :(
 
Good read! £45 is much more than I thought one would have to pay though. Or were those the nicest seats? Have you read the book 'a Season with Verona' by Tim Parks? I really recommend it if you're into Italian football or even Italy in general.
 
Yeah was good seats; on side but in the open (mind you was warm). Behind goal was cheaper around £30-£35 but seemed a long way from action and you would have been amongst the hard core (would not have minded that but no idea on songs /traditions etc!

Do enjoy going to football abroad - when it all comes down to it; fans are much the same. Might be a diffrent language but many have same traits with biased views of the offiating, scapegoats for their own team and an array of characters sat around you wherever you may go!
 
Walked to the ground (fair hike from centre) and had a few beers outside; stood with many of the home fans before going in. The ground itself is poor really. It is a very old ground and 3 sides are open to the elements but think it is listed and cannot be altered much. Holds around 48,000; there were maybe around 35-40,000 in.

Ask Linz about that one :D, I made her trek all the way from our hotel on the Ponte Veccio on a non-matchday just to have a look around. As you'll concur, it's not much to look at, especially just from the outside.

We did see the first team at the hotel across the road though.

I did that same trip with my gf in the summer, minus the football game. Flew to Pisa with Ryanair (airport is close to the centre of town), then took a train to Florence, which is about an hour's journey through the pretty countryside.

Exactly the same as we did, very easy.

Florence is a fantastic place, crammed full of history, not crazily expensive, and the food was the best I've ever had on a holiday.

I do hope you managed to get in a Bistecca alla Fiorentina as nice as mine was! The best steak I've ever tasted.

If you are ever back and haven't already, have a look for the All'Antico Vinaio not far from Uffizi, great value for money, massive freshly made sandwiches. They bake the bread across the road, and we had to wait (a matter of minutes) for more to be brought across, so they gave us some wine, with some bread and lard while we waited. It's number 2 on TripAdvisor and whilst many go too far in their gushing reviews, it was great :).


We saw the leaning tower on the way back, but Pisa to me looked like a bit of a shithole compared to Florence, and I'm glad we changed our original plan to base ourselves there.

Other than the tower, we ran out of things to do and struggled to find a shop we'd want to go in for food on the way back to the airport. We did also have a wander around the Pisa ground, which isn't far at all from the tower, but that's no sight to behold either - Conclusion was the same, we were glad we'd only planned the day we were returning for the airport to get it in :D
 
Yes, I could see ground from top of Tower. Looked even worse than Fiorentina's but Pisa are in Serie C I think?

Pisa was really dull. We stayed near station for night (got in midnight) so next day walked up to Tower; went up it, took some pics; then were back checking out and on train by 10.45am and in Florence for lunch time.

Never got round to a steak must admit; I was tempted and had heard about those you mentiond but was with little un and we needed to get in restaurants and get out ASAP; my 5 year old generally does not want to sit around in fairly nice settings unfortunately! (so Pizza was had quite a lot)

We bought some fresh sandwiches from another place that was baked and took into the Boboli Park which was nice and had a picnic.

As for the Fiorentina ground; I went alone and said to missus; I wont be back too late. I had thought maybe a 20 min walk from the Duomo but realised it was more on the way in (should have got a bus really). Then on the way back (game finished around 10.45pm; I got completely lost and ended up miles from the hotel as my phone was dead and my more traditional map I struggled to fathom. Somehow the massive dome was never in sight and a simple walk towards the centre and take it from there never quite happened! I did the same when I went to Roma the other year. I seem to have a penchant for getting lost on foreign football trips. All part of the fun!
 
Ask Linz about that one :D, I made her trek all the way from our hotel on the Ponte Veccio on a non-matchday just to have a look around. As you'll concur, it's not much to look at, especially just from the outside.

Forgot to say wherever we go away I will always walk/or go to the football ground; assuming it is of a decent size. We have walked on hot days to Athletico Madrid ground; Sporting Lisbon, Benfica etc. My wife just shakes her head as I take photos that I often never do anything with.
 
Forgot to say wherever we go away I will always walk/or go to the football ground; assuming it is of a decent size. We have walked on hot days to Athletico Madrid ground; Sporting Lisbon, Benfica etc. My wife just shakes her head as I take photos that I often never do anything with.

Oh I don't mind... it was the answer to "how long will it take?" and "about 15 minutes" being the response :)

With the amount I ate that trip (and the gelato... can't forget the gelato), I probably needed the exercise.

As it's someone's 30th birthday in April next year, we're looking at how we could combine that with a football trip. That particular someone seemed to be very excited about Bayern Munich v. Borussia Dortmund being pencilled in for the weekend before their birthday so that might be our next one.

EDIT: Although looking at the ticket applications they've received for that one, we may have to sell our souls to get there.
 
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The Stadium was designed by the great engineer Pier Luigi Nervi. It is a fine example of pre-war reinforced concrete I think the sculptural spiral staircases and the slimness of the roof cantilever are regarded as particularly elegant. There are more immediately impressive structures by Nervi but I think the stadium suffers from having a running track, but even more than most in that the track used to have a 200m straight. This threw the symmetry and made the crowd very distant from the pitch.

I haven't been but I used to think it looked bad on Football Italia.
 
Here's the most photo-worthy part I found from the outside :)

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Similarly, the most interesting part ground level of the Pisa ground:

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It looks a little more interesting from up the leaning tower though:

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View attachment 6574 It used to have a running trackView attachment 6573and because the home straight was 200m long, it meant that the view from the ends was distant indeed!

Think much of the running track has gone. They dug down and put the pitch lower down for Italia 90 but as you can see the ends still have big gaps; hence why I sat on the side.
 



Oh I don't mind... it was the answer to "how long will it take?" and "about 15 minutes" being the response :)

With the amount I ate that trip (and the gelato... can't forget the gelato), I probably needed the exercise.

As it's someone's 30th birthday in April next year, we're looking at how we could combine that with a football trip. That particular someone seemed to be very excited about Bayern Munich v. Borussia Dortmund being pencilled in for the weekend before their birthday so that might be our next one.

EDIT: Although looking at the ticket applications they've received for that one, we may have to sell our souls to get there.
 
I haven't been to a game in Germany, but I have read that the price of tickets is much lower than comparable Premier league games. Is that not so?
I have enjoyed several visits to Italy. had I not washed up in New Zealand, I would now be living in Italy. Milano, or Verona, on the Curva. Go Hellas.
 
I haven't been to a game in Germany, but I have read that the price of tickets is much lower than comparable Premier league games. Is that not so?

It depends where you go... for Bayern Munich, they've got cheap tickets at pitch level but the most expensive are 70e

http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/de/tickets/ermaessigungen/index.php

They'd also received 245000 applications for home tickets v. Borussia Dortmund before the season had even kicked off... hence the reason we've written that one off.
 

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