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StarBlade said:
That's probably not true, he probably wants to manage Man Utd or Celtic as his ultimate ambition. He's started off small and working up, he is having another good season where he can get even further ahead in his career.

More to life than a short-term boost at a failing institution.
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We do have a history of poaching managers from the Millers. Some good, some not so. Reg Freeman, 2nd Division title winner was perhaps the best, which begs the question, if Rotherham can pick them over the years. why couldn't we do better than they did? OK We were in a higher league, but you know what I mean. Just for the record, I am still in the keep Weir camp, it will take more games to get it right but, I do hope that the Prince is a little more than a desert mirage come January, and is prepared to back us with solid, sensible investment.
 
Northern Rivers Blade said:
Don't think you've been paying attention. With the Prince's money we've signed Baxter, Cuvelier, Bunn, King, Hall and Lappin. Pre-prince we didn't have a pot to piss in and would have signed none of those (except maybe Bunn and Lappin) and might have sold some of our young lads too.

As for McDonald, we tried to keep him. He wanted to leave.
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So basically without the Prince's money, despite having one of the best support in the division, we would be left with no strikers and practically no midfield. We would have to lose every game and get relegated by 20 points. Wow. What a well run club we must be. I wonder how all those other clubs in the division who get crowds of 5,000 manage to sign players?
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
So basically without the Prince's money, despite having one of the best support in the division, we would be left with no strikers and practically no midfield. We would have to lose every game and get relegated by 20 points. Wow. What a well run club we must be. I wonder how all those other clubs in the division who get crowds of 5,000 manage to sign players?
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Clubs with 5000 gates sign players (and we would have too), but they don't sign players of the calibre and/or expense of Cuvelier, Baxter, King and so on. Admittedly these (relatively) expensive players aren't doing us much good at the moment, but I don't think that is the prince's fault, or McCabe's. Maybe it's Weir's fault; maybe it's just a matter of time before they all get fully fit and click...
 
I don´t really understand the OP... :confused:

Are you asking if there´s money available?
 
Answers to various points:
- For a club in this league, we've already spent a relative fortune on Baxter, Cuvelier and yes, King who will be on a fortune. Not to mention Taylor who at 250k is more than the pigs spent all summer. Given the fact that we usually work at a deficit of sales to signings, he's had a big impact already.
- Weir on the face of things was a very good appointment. Respected in the game and with sound ideas. The majority of us were over the moon with the decision to bring him in.
- Perhaps the Prince is simply sensible and happy to be patient in contrast to other chairman. That said, there's a club on the other side of the city yet to win yet and their foreign investor famous for sackings has not done so yet.

At the bottom of it all is what Shef has said. Of course it's not a sham and a respected businessman would want no part of such a stunt. If he'd never been linked with other clubs I could partly understand the concern.

I think I'm more worried he'll not wait until January and simply give his £1 part of the club away and look elsewhere for a more straightforward project!
 
Also, isn't FFP based on last season's revenue, so it wouldn't make a jot of difference whether we did something like rename the stand now or not?
 
I get a bit tired of the FFP excuse that is trotted out on every thread of this type ................................ how many more times, young players wages are not counted against FFP isn't that one of the reasons for buying young talent rather than the old journeyman type of player ?
 
Houso said:
Also, isn't FFP based on last season's revenue, so it wouldn't make a jot of difference whether we did something like rename the stand now or not?
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I don't think that's true. I believe it can be amended at anytime. I would imagine though that during the season is the wrong time to put say 1 million in when you can only spend 650k of it. I would imagine the best time would be in the summer
 
Thing is..Prince Abdullahs father passed away this August, it might very well be that these investment plans had to wait until the traditional mourning was over.
They are rather strict on "traditional values" in the Kingdom.
 
metalblade said:
I get a bit tired of the FFP excuse that is trotted out on every thread of this type ................................ how many more times, young players wages are not counted against FFP isn't that one of the reasons for buying young talent rather than the old journeyman type of player ?
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And we're buying young talent. I don't understand your point. The OP seems to be criticising us not splashing the cash on established names.

UTB
 
If there wasnt money available then we wouldnt have brought in nearly 11 players.

Its not bollox at all. Weir has been massivley backed upto now & has failed.

This wont be tolerated for much longer i feel.
 
metalblade said:
I get a bit tired of the FFP excuse that is trotted out on every thread of this type ................................ how many more times, young players wages are not counted against FFP isn't that one of the reasons for buying young talent rather than the old journeyman type of player ?
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I get a bit tired of you not knowing what your talking about
 

I don't doubt that the investment is real. In real terms Weir has had more to spend than any manager since Robson. The problem is that Weir is slowly making decent players look bad, I suspect given a few matches he could make Messi look bad
 
Lappin couldn't come in until Porter went, don't tell me that fantastic signing (what the old Teletext Clubcall advert wouldve described as Prem Ace Signs! like it was Van Persie or something) is down to Saudi money.
 
puppet said:
Lappin couldn't come in until Porter went, don't tell me that fantastic signing (what the old Teletext Clubcall advert wouldve described as Prem Ace Signs! like it was Van Persie or something) is down to Saudi money.
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No youre right. the blades revival have paid for the eleven new new squad members
 
puppet said:
Lappin couldn't come in until Porter went, don't tell me that fantastic signing (what the old Teletext Clubcall advert wouldve described as Prem Ace Signs! like it was Van Persie or something) is down to Saudi money.
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Moderate amounts of money I've no doubt, but money nonetheless. I don't think Lappin's signing was dependent on Porter going - Porter's departure has been on the cards for a while - the signing of King, and Miller playing 45 mins in a friendly last week, will have been greater factors. DW has been clear from the outset that he doesn't want a squad with players permanently on the fringes of the first team, and Porter's exit follows that logic.
 
Wouldn't mind if they shipped out the entire first team based on the first half showing against Crawley
Either they don't want to play for the manager or they are not up to it!
No talent, no skill, no effort, no heart, no passion and no clue !!
 
judge said:
No youre right. the blades revival have paid for the eleven new new squad members
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No it was the revenue from the offices and hotel that paid for th..... oh hang on!
Surely the wages we are paying new players will be offset against the players who have left?
 
Northern Rivers Blade said:
Clubs with 5000 gates sign players (and we would have too), but they don't sign players of the calibre and/or expense of Cuvelier, Baxter, King and so on. Admittedly these (relatively) expensive players aren't doing us much good at the moment, but I don't think that is the prince's fault, or McCabe's. Maybe it's Weir's fault; maybe it's just a matter of time before they all get fully fit and click...
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Hmm. Well there is no "and so on" cos the others are all nobodies on loan that most clubs in the division could get. There didn't seem to be a massive rush to sign King, he's not really a bigger signing than Kitson is he? The other two aren't exactly big names, i'm sure Brentford have signed players of their stature. They signed Grigg, how much a bigger name is Baxter than Grigg? Plus we sold McDonald to pay for Baxter. Should a club of our size really be selling our best player, but not signing a replacement? Cos that's what we seem to be saying. Forget the Prince exists, we sell McDonald who we don't want to...do you think a club of our size and stature should be able to sign a replacement?

I remain decidely unconvinced a club of our size shouldn't have been able to make those signings on our own two feet. I'm not being argumentative for the sake of it, i just don't buy that there has been any money spent outside the clubs own means. And i'm not convinced there ever will be.
 
puppet said:
No it was the revenue from the offices and hotel that paid for th..... oh hang on!
Surely the wages we are paying new players will be offset against the players who have left?
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Basically, we're the only club in the entire world that has no income whatsover. Whenever we sign players, it's down to McCabe (or now HRH) funding it. If we sell players, we don't get anything from that. We don't even reduce the wage bill. Yep. That's how it works...
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
Basically, we're the only club in the entire world that has no income whatsover. Whenever we sign players, it's down to McCabe (or now HRH) funding it. If we sell players, we don't get anything from that. We don't even reduce the wage bill. Yep. That's how it works...
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And then we have thick fans who believe it without question and when it all goes tits up they shout ...................
BRING WARNOCK BACK
 
metalblade said:
I get a bit tired of the FFP excuse that is trotted out on every thread of this type ................................ how many more times, young players wages are not counted against FFP isn't that one of the reasons for buying young talent rather than the old journeyman type of player ?
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How many of the first team squad currently count in this catergory .... Long, McFaz, ......? It is a young team but not that young.
 
Yeovil, Bournemouth got out of this league with very little resources. Orient could follow suit. I find it embarrassing that we are talking about investing zillions to stave off relegation.

Keep your money Mr Prince. We don't deserve a penny.
 

There is definitely something not 100% right with all this at BDTBL apart from the obvious. I find some of these young signings very odd, Coady looked really good opening day and since hasn't been to clever, Bunn is another odd signing not featured at all has he gone back now? They bring another lad in from Cardiff who from all accounts is awful, Taylor doesn't look good enough either. The only signings that look ok are proven in English football and therefore Weir can't fail with them but yet has failed massively full stop.

The one thing that is the most baffling is what everyone keeps on about and that is why the hell is Weir still in a job? He has got it wrong from word go and won't change his ways, yet the board still don't step in. He comes across in interviews as not being bothered the questions have been asked and he gives all the wrong answers and still he keeps his job. Can we not afford to sack him? Although I believe the prince has invested and committed a lot of money, is he not prepared to throw money into the club other than to clear the debts that gave him 50% stake. I have never known united tolerate such a poor start and such bad management on all fronts. He has no plan b, he obviously can not spot talent, he is wasting spare wages, etc etc. The season is now as good as over teams will come to the lane for all 3 points and mostly get them instead of coming scared hoping for a point. If we are still in the bottom 4 at the end of this month we are in a relegation battle and we haven't got the manager to get us out. The biggest worry I have is teams like notts county seem to be able to find a win and we can't, Carlisle are the same as well as Gillingham. We can't afford to go down and I am convinced if Weir stays in charge we will go down.
 
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