Our Prince, not excited

[brownie4583]

True, but you could agrue that Wilson was even more defensively minded than Weir, giving us a tight game at the back with nothing up front. As you say Baxter, Cuvelier, King and Hall should be better than what was there last season but their introduction may have compromised things defensively whilst, on the face of it, making things no better if not worse going forward. Is it the manager, the players, the formation, the tactics, the fitness or some or all of the above? I think the latter, but people on here seem to think 2 up top and lump it solves everything. It wouldn't because we haven't got the players to play that way either.

Do you think this style is easier to play against?
Opponents can let us have the ball and pass sidewards and backwards for long periods,getting nowhere,then knowing they will get chances or a set piece,score,then know we are struggling to score goals,and no added pressure because no extra striker is introduced then they can just defend the 1-0 lead?

 

[Darren]

True, but you could agrue that Wilson was even more defensively minded than Weir, giving us a tight game at the back with nothing up front. As you say Baxter, Cuvelier, King and Hall should be better than what was there last season but their introduction may have compromised things defensively whilst, on the face of it, making things no better if not worse going forward. Is it the manager, the players, the formation, the tactics, the fitness or some or all of the above? I think the latter, but people on here seem to think 2 up top and lump it solves everything. It wouldn't because we haven't got the players to play that way either.

Wilson kept us tight at the back and we were pretty poor up front. That meant we picked up points mostly from draws and odd goal wins. That was enough to see us seriously challenging for automatic promotion and made us virtual play off certs all season.

Call me a weirdo, but I would take that right now.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Wilson kept us tight at the back and we were pretty poor up front. That meant we picked up points mostly from draws and odd goal wins. That was enough to see us seriously challenging for automatic promotion and made us virtual play off certs all season.

Call me a weirdo, but I would take that right now.

So would I

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Do you think this style is easier to play against?
Opponents can let us have the ball and pass sidewards and backwards for long periods,getting nowhere,then knowing they will get chances or a set piece,score,then know we are struggling to score goals,and no added pressure because no extra striker is introduced then they can just defend the 1-0 lead?

It's never a question of being easier or more difficult to play against. We are pedestrian in possession at the moment and struggle to get forward with purpose and pace utilising space wide to do this. @bergenblade would give us numerous examples but this doesn't mean that the style is easy to play against, anymore than the last days of Bassett were. The team aren't getting anywhere near the best out of this formation (see Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Real Madrid, Spurs etc, etc) and what that is down to is the debate. Will it come right? Who knows. But unless we get purpose, direction and flexibility (this is the key and maybe what you mean, we are predictable like the end days of Bassett). So in short, all styles are easy to play against once you understand them and know how to nullify them and if the players are poor, shit playing 4-4-2 and shit playing4-2-3-1 is still shit.

 

[oldblade]

Wilson kept us tight at the back and we were pretty poor up front. That meant we picked up points mostly from draws and odd goal wins. That was enough to see us seriously challenging for automatic promotion and made us virtual play off certs all season.

Call me a weirdo, but I would take that right now.

I think the match against Rotherham is an example where, if it had been last season, we would have held onto our half time lead and ground out a 1-0 win.

Did we lose any matches last season after going 1-0 up?

 

[Darren]

I think the match against Rotherham is an example where, if it had been last season, we would have held onto our half time lead and ground out a 1-0 win.

Did we lose any matches last season after going 1-0 up?

Last seasons' defeats were

MKD A L0-1
Brentford A L0-2
Hartlepool H L2-3
Yeovil H L0-2
Coventry H L1-2
Stevenage A L0-4
Crawley H L0-2
Portsmouth A L0-3
Crewe A L0-1

So, in only 2 of our defeats did we score and we were never ahead in either game. Two other remarkeable facts.

1. In every game we scored, bar 2, we either won or drew
2. In every away game we scored we either won or drew.

Last season is starting to look like Nirvana...

 

[oldblade]

Last seasons' defeats were

MKD A L0-1
Brentford A L0-2
Hartlepool H L2-3
Yeovil H L0-2
Coventry H L1-2
Stevenage A L0-4
Crawley H L0-2
Portsmouth A L0-3
Crewe A L0-1

So, in only 2 of our defeats did we score and we were never ahead in either game. Two other remarkeable facts.

1. In every game we scored, bar 2, we either won or drew
2. In every away game we scored we either won or drew.

Last season is starting to look like Nirvana...

To be honest Darren, most seasons over the last 125 years now look like Nirvana!

 

[Darren]

To be honest Darren, most seasons over the last 125 years now look like Nirvana!

True, at this stage in our relegation season to the 4th 80-81 our record was:

P8 W5 D0 L3 F14 A6 pts 10.

We had been top of the table after 7 games, but our 8th game (a 1-0 defeat at Huddersfield) knocked us off.

Obviously things got worse at the season went on, but we were relegated with a record of P46 W14 D12 L20. That sort of record looks a long way off now...

 

[metalblade]

A bit puzzled by Weir's reported comment that Jervis - training with us for the last few weeks - can't be offered a deal until someone leaves though. He surely wouldn't cost us more than £1500 a week if he's worth a contract so either the money is very limited or Weir is under close scrutiny.

I was under the impression players under 21 did not count towards the fair play wages cap.

 

[Swanseablade]

Wilson kept us tight at the back and we were pretty poor up front. That meant we picked up points mostly from draws and odd goal wins. That was enough to see us seriously challenging for automatic promotion and made us virtual play off certs all season.

Call me a weirdo, but I would take that right now.

You're not far wrong.
In Wilson's first year I wouldn't say we were poor up front.
Our attacking under Wilson went downhill after Ched went for porridge & we got rid of talent that can supply chances, like Lowton, Quinn and yes even Williamson.

We don't look like creating many chances this year, never mind scoring many!

 

[Latters]

Last seasons' defeats were

MKD A L0-1
Brentford A L0-2
Hartlepool H L2-3
Yeovil H L0-2
Coventry H L1-2
Stevenage A L0-4
Crawley H L0-2
Portsmouth A L0-3
Crewe A L0-1

So, in only 2 of our defeats did we score and we were never ahead in either game. Two other remarkeable facts.

1. In every game we scored, bar 2, we either won or drew
2. In every away game we scored we either won or drew.

Last season is starting to look like Nirvana...

It ended in the same way Nirvana did as well, we decided to shoot ourselves in the face (metaphorically).

 

[Bergen Blade]

It ended in the same way Nirvana did as well, we decided to shoot ourselves in the face (metaphorically).

It felt like a poor season, and we hardly ever played well. In the end we found ourselves incapable of scoring goals and we had zero momentum. If we had somehow won promotion how would that/this squad have done in the Championship? Almost frightening to imagine.

Wilson's last six games:



6 games, 1 win, 3 draws, 3 defeats, at a time when we were hoping for automatic promotion, and maybe 5 or 6 wins from those. Goal difference was 2-7. The victory against Tranmere (who were hopeless at the time) was a reasonably solid away game, but we only scored through a lucky deflection. All reports said we were lucky to get the draw at Walsall, and generally it was painful to watch us at this stage. In the other games we failed to score.

It was this form that cost Wilson his job. The board hoped that it was only the motivation of the players that was the problem, thus hired Motivator-Morgan. But the rest of the games that season proved that the problems were bigger and more complex, and it's probably been one of Weir's mistakes that he's not realised that.