CONFIRMED Will Osula sold to Newcastle United

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Rudders said:
We have sold Traore, Jebbo and Osula, let McBurnie go. BBD and Archer have gone back. We have signed Moore and you could argue maybe O hare for the forward roles. 6 out 2 in. Proves my point right, 4 or 5 players down up front. We are massively short in certain key areas. We have no reliable goalie and no decent right back. It takes us weeks and even months to sign players. The prince is destroying us before our eyes and folk just can’t see or admit it.
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They don’t want to admit it
 

Rudders said:
We have sold Traore, Jebbo and Osula, let McBurnie go. BBD and Archer have gone back. We have signed Moore and you could argue maybe O hare for the forward roles. 6 out 2 in. Proves my point right, 4 or 5 players down up front. We are massively short in certain key areas. We have no reliable goalie and no decent right back. It takes us weeks and even months to sign players. The prince is destroying us before our eyes and folk just can’t see or admit it.
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Slim Man said:
They don’t want to admit it
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Just got to look at Beershott to see what he does to clubs. The prince is ruining the playing side and we need to get him out completely of the club. It’s not necessarily the firesale that is the problem it’s just the complete lack of any replacements
 
HarryHaslam said:
As you’ve edited I’ll reply again.

I never said it would use up all the funds?? Or that all other deals can’t now be made…. What I have gone off is what he Actually said, he clearly says it will free up funds for ‘a transfer deal’ which would imply the one transfer, so what I wrote would be correct if you are actually just following what he said and nothing more.

As for the loans, yeah that’s what I said.
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You’re clipping his quote to make it fit with how you’ve taken it. The quote is. “A transfer deal we’ve lined up”.

That’s clearly stating a deal that has been lined up can now be completed. It doesn’t say or allude to any other deals either to confirm or deny. I get how you can read what you’re claiming but it’s not actually what it says.
He does say this in another tweet though.

 
Think what this does as well is helps in some way to push the price up for some other players in our squad.

£25m for example for souza doesn't seem as far fetched when you think he played a lot more minutes than Osula last year and had more of an impact (if you just look at stats and not his average performances).

Certainly strengthens our hand were Fulham to come knocking again if we can show what a team in the same league paid for a 20 year old with only 2 league goals in nearly 50 appearances compared to one of the best ball winners in the prem (again based solely on stats).

£25m might look quite reasonable to them on that basis.
 
HarryHaslam said:
As you’ve edited I’ll reply again.

I never said it would use up all the funds?? Or that all other deals can’t now be made…. What I have gone off is what he Actually said, he clearly says it will free up funds for ‘a transfer deal’ which would imply the one transfer, so what I wrote would be correct if you are actually just following what he said and nothing more.

As for the loans, yeah that’s what I said.
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You're both generally sensible posters - I'm a bit confused about what you're debating here!

I think the exact wording...(?)

It's only El Accounto anyway, so don't bother.
 
Nelson1889 said:
Think what this does as well is helps in some way to push the price up for some other players in our squad.

£25m for example for souza doesn't seem as far fetched when you think he played a lot more minutes than Osula last year and had more of an impact (if you just look at stats and not his average performances).

Certainly strengthens our hand were Fulham to come knocking again if we can show what a team in the same league paid for a 20 year old with only 2 league goals in nearly 50 appearances compared to one of the best ball winners in the prem (again based solely on stats).

£25m might look quite reasonable to them on that basis.
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Very good point indeed.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
You’re clipping his quote to make it fit with how you’ve taken it.
The quote is. “A transfer deal we’ve lined up”.

That’s clearly stating a deal that has been lined up can now be completed. It doesn’t say or allude to any other deals either to confirm or deny.
He does say this in another tweet though.

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In response to being asked will the transfer fee be invested in players we need he says it should give us the funds for ‘a transfer deal’ ‘A’, singular. Then mentions the loans that we were not waiting on funds for. So I’ve gone off what he actually says ‘A’ transfer deal and loans we didn’t need the funds for. So nothing I said was incorrect and yet you are going off on what he Doesn’t actually say. Strange.
 
brownblade said:
You're both generally sensible posters - I'm a bit confused about what you're debating here!

I think the exact wording...(?)

It's only El Accounto anyway, so don't bother.
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I have given an opinion on what el accounto says, this chap for some reason is basically saying I’m talking shite even though I’ve only gone on what is there in black and white.
 
brownblade said:
Very good point indeed.
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But also utterly bonkers that we want to sell even more of our contracted players, and are excited by their value going up, when it’s fairly clear we are going to be incredibly short of bodies across multiple positions
 
HarryHaslam said:
In response to being asked will the transfer fee be invested in players we need he says it should give us the funds for ‘a transfer deal’ ‘A’, singular. Then mentions the loans that we were not waiting on funds for. So I’ve gone off what he actually says ‘A’ transfer deal and loans we didn’t need the funds for. So nothing I said was incorrect and yet you are going off on what he Doesn’t actually say. Strange.
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Fair enough. You’ve again removed the end of a sentence which qualifies that he’s talking about deals which have been lined up, “completed waiting funds” but I think the points been made.
You’re removing words to make it fit how you’ve interpreted it.

We’ll see if more than one perm comes in.

PS I’ve not said you’re talking shite, you’re being overly sensitive. I’ve said I believe you are misreading it and you’re removing qualifying context because you’ve taken it a certain way.
 
Rudders said:
But also utterly bonkers that we want to sell even more of our contracted players, and are excited by their value going up, when it’s fairly clear we are going to be incredibly short of bodies across multiple positions
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Oh yeah, I agree, we're semi-screwed as it stands - barely got an eleven! Definitely not got a squad.

But that's even more reason to sell an academy player that (arguably) has not delivered yet anyway. For a lot.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Fair enough. You’ve again removed the end of a sentence which qualifies that he’s talking about deals which have been lined uo, ie completed waiting funds but I think the points been made.
You’re removing words to make it fit your narrative.

We’ll see if more than one perm comes in.
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For Gods sake, what words have I removed, the ‘lined up’ bit? I said it further up in a previous post so what you on about? If anyone is missing things out for a narrative it’s clearly you.

Also the bit at the end about we’ll see if one more perm comes in? I said basically el accounto says one player coming in perm ‘if he’s right’ … so that’s me again going off what my interpretation of what el accounto said, he could be wrong, I hope he’s wrong. I hope my interpretation is wrong.
 
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HarryHaslam said:
For Gods sake, what words have I removed, the ‘lined up’ bit? I said it further up in a previous post so what you on about? If anyone is missing things out for a narrative it’s clearly you.
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Last reply on this as you’re getting unnecessarily wound up.
We only have one deal currently lined up that was awaiting funds so that is the one he is referring to that can now be completed. Not that that takes all the money from the Osula deal.

Thats all I’m saying. Its not that important because it makes no difference and we get to see what happens next.
 
Are we really arguing over what El Accounto says...

Fwiw, my opinion is we have a deal lined up ready to go once funds available but it's not necessarily the only transfer we'll use the Osula funds for.
 

As I see it, if it is £10m, the Prince will want £3m back for the Burrows transfer that by the sounds of it gave his word would happen no matter what. No take over, so he forked out himself so wants it back. If we are looking at a £20m deficit we need to cover then how much of the remaining £7m will be used to bring in players? 3m for cooper? Then rest (4m) running costs. So we still need to 'apparently' find £16m. If £20m is the deficit no way are we using all of Osulas transfer to buy players. It's most likely 1 in 1 out and then try to sell more to cover this '£20m'. I haven't an issue with him going but the naivety some have that all the money will be spent on transfers is baffling.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Last reply on this as you’re getting unnecessarily wound up.
We only have one deal currently lined up that was awaiting funds so that is the one he is referring to that can now be completed. Not that that takes all the money from the Osula deal.

Thats all I’m saying. Its not that important because it makes no difference and we get to see what happens next.
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I’m never wound up. Frustration at you not reading posts correctly and saying I was omitting things which I clearly wasn’t as I had already posted the words you were craving if you had read properly.

I never said the one transfer took all the money? Never even implied it, so maybe you don’t either. I even mentioned Cooper and we know he doesn’t take all the money from Osulas fee, my feeling was the club would take the remainder for running costs if no more transfers out. As you know my interpretation of ‘A transfer deal lined up’ and then mentions the loans, To Me means one transfer and then loans in. This is not fact, just my opinion on interpretation of a post. You took grievance with this for some reason which seems to be happening a lot to me lately on here but hey ho.
 
Arcott said:
As I see it, if it is £10m, the Prince will want £3m back for the Burrows transfer that by the sounds of it gave his word would happen no matter what. No take over, so he forked out himself so wants it back. If we are looking at a £20m deficit we need to cover then how much of the remaining £7m will be used to bring in players? 3m for cooper? Then rest (4m) running costs. So we still need to 'apparently' find £16m. If £20m is the deficit no way are we using all of Osulas transfer to buy players. It's most likely 1 in 1 out and then try to sell more to cover this '£20m'. I haven't an issue with him going but the naivety some have that all the money will be spent on transfers is baffling.
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Did we not sell Bogle for £4m and similar or even more for Traore? I guess Moore cost some money but that was more or less balanced by Jebbo in return wasn’t it?
Lost loads of big earners too off the books. It looks like a fire sale to me and expect a couple of underwhelming loans late in the window to try and appease the fans
 
Arcott said:
As I see it, if it is £10m, the Prince will want £3m back for the Burrows transfer that by the sounds of it gave his word would happen no matter what. No take over, so he forked out himself so wants it back. If we are looking at a £20m deficit we need to cover then how much of the remaining £7m will be used to bring in players? 3m for cooper? Then rest (4m) running costs. So we still need to 'apparently' find £16m. If £20m is the deficit no way are we using all of Osulas transfer to buy players. It's most likely 1 in 1 out and then try to sell more to cover this '£20m'. I haven't an issue with him going but the naivety some have that all the money will be spent on transfers is baffling.
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I agree with most of this. The only bit I'm less pessimistic on is the £20m defecit and it's relevance for the window. It's difficult to say how big Bettis anticipated that one big sale being and whether it factored slashing the wage bill through the exodus of senior players. It also depends if the new owners (should it eventually happen) are willing to take on that deficit.

The way we've been waiting on sales for signings looks like we're operating on a net zero budget for squad changes. So I'm hoping we get four million to play with after Burrows and Cooper. That could fund a marquee loan signing on top of what we have lined up rather than a permanent though. I guess we'll see!
 
Actually gutted if this happens, another talented academy player taken away before we could see what he could do in a blades shirt. If this sale goes through, no chance club is being sold. Absolute joke.
 
Negative assessments of Jebbo and Osula at their age are absolutely meaningless. Nobody had ever heard of Ndiaye and most of this board wanted Adams and DCL gone at a similar age. In striker terms they're in nappies.

A promising start to the season and Osula is worth two or three X what he's now worth so tjis looks lile panic and desperation.We haven't got full value for Jebbo due to his contract and were fortunate the likes of Arblaster and Osula signed by the way. It feels like another short term decision similar to the Adams, DCL, Ramsdale decisions the last Wilder was trying to cobble together a budget

The money needs reinvesting in long term saleable assets or the club is going on a one way ticket to shitsville. If we aren't making a realistic attempt at promotion and are totally cash strapped there's an argument to move on the saleable experienced assets first. Yes, even those people would rather keep. I'd also question whether acquiring the likes of Moore is advisable if we are brassic.

The next few weeks will tell us a lot.
 
cooperblade said:
We've got a chairman who thinks he's selling up so doesn't care about anything other than the short-term (and never has).

And we've got a manager who probably thinks he needs a good start to persuade the new owners to keep him so he doesn't care about anything other than the short-term.

Perfect situation for selling potential and gambling on players with recent ACLs and older players. I don't think Abdullah or Wilder have given more than 5 minutes thought to what we might look like in 3 years time. 😞
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I'd like to think Wilder does, but that's a fantastic post it has to be said. It's too early to make definitive judgements but right now Moore seems too old if we won't have realistic chances of promotion. Cooper (if he comes) and O' Hare also seem a bit self indulgent and too big a gamble due to their past injury records - if we're living hand to mouth (at least O'Hare is "free" so the gamble is more justified).

We should be acting like a newly promoted club if that's our budget, as absurd as that sounds. In that scenario any big older asset is prioritised for sale. If it's Hamer or four or five permanents you sell Hamer and put the permanents on wages in line with your new wage structure. Your academy players you keep and only sell at peak valuation. It's very interesting time at BDTBL.
 
I was a little surprised to hear Osula made 20+ appearances last season. It really didn't feel like that whatsoever!

Granted it was a awful season but I can't remember much of a impact he made in all those games.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
I was a little surprised to hear Osula made 20+ appearances last season. It really didn't feel like that whatsoever!

Granted it was an awful season but I can't remember much of an impact he made in all those games.
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I can’t remember much of an impact anyone made last season, tbh. 🤣 Not a positive one anyway.
 

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