CONFIRMED Will Osula sold to Newcastle United

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No, we should've offered them contracts earlier than we did. Leaving it to the last minute was stupid beyond belief.
From PA in Sheffield United Way:

"Sometimes we think, okay which league we’re in – some players are good for the Championship, some of them are good for the Premier League. So that has to go into the thinking. Also, what’s the age of the player. Should we renew now, or shall we see how he performs in the next one or two years.”

He expanded:

"It’s never because we forgot, or don’t care. It always has a good reason. Sometimes the player refuses. Like with Iliman, we offered him a contract last year, before the season started. We tried many times. Even with Berge. They preferred not to sign, they said maybe we will not be promoted – they gave me different reasons. You don’t let your good players go into the last year of the contract, but sometimes the players do not accept [an extension].”
 

It’d arguably be a good deal if we had a proper squad to fall back on. But we are still to replace many of those who left earlier in the summer and this just equals one more to bring in.
 
No rant at all. Just calmly highlighting your multiple inaccuracies.

Now, would you like to show us where I said, anywhere, that we will invest those funds in players? Or was that another lapse of memory?
My initial point was that we would sell Osula for £10m and we would buy Cooper for £3/4m and the rest to the club / Prince Abdullah / SUFC (whatever you want to call it).

You seemed to disagree with that?

So you disagree with it so you must think it would be spent? It’s the most logical conclusion.

You wouldn’t choose to have your strange rant with a point that you agree with?
 
If the initial fee is 10 million, we won't actually get that much of it up front. Most transfer deals are done via amortization, so we'll probably only get 1/7th or 1/8th of the 10 million fee. Maybe even less. We couldn't really invest 3-4 million in a keeper, and 6 million on 2 new defenders because we wouldn't have the money to do so.

I suppose we could also use amortization to fund our transfers, but depending on payment structures, that may not be completely viable. Many lower end Prem clubs and EFL clubs often sharply defer their payments. They may spend 15 million on a player, pay 2.5 million over the first five years and then 12.5 million over the final 2-4 years. That's not financially viable, and I wouldn't want us to do that.
 
Everything report from Newcastle and Fabrizio say £15million.
 
My initial point was that we would sell Osula for £10m and we would buy Cooper for £3/4m and the rest to the club / Prince Abdullah / SUFC (whatever you want to call it).

You seemed to disagree with that?

So you disagree with it so you must think it would be spent? It’s the most logical conclusion.

You wouldn’t choose to have your strange rant with a point that you agree with?
We can come back to that. In the meantime I am interested in you having quoted me on something that I didn’t say. Do you accept that you made that up?
 
if were being conservative with the cash for osula it might only get us cooper but our keeper situation is more dire than losing osula he could be our keeper for a few years and it could get us loans for hoever souttar and another striker
 
If the initial fee is 10 million, we won't actually get that much of it up front. Most transfer deals are done via amortization, so we'll probably only get 1/7th or 1/8th of the 10 million fee. Maybe even less. We couldn't really invest 3-4 million in a keeper, and 6 million on 2 new defenders because we wouldn't have the money to do so.

I suppose we could also use amortization to fund our transfers, but depending on payment structures, that may not be completely viable. Many lower end Prem clubs and EFL clubs often sharply defer their payments. They may spend 15 million on a player, pay 2.5 million over the first five years and then 12.5 million over the final 2-4 years. That's not financially viable, and I wouldn't want us to do that.
All of your post is massively wide of the mark.
 
We need to operate under the assumption that a takeover is not happening. We need more fire power, 15m for a player who should be a squad player is excellent business. It could go a long way given the sort of signings we have been making. I was thinking we would need another striker, hopefully with a bit of experience and a record of scoring. This can happen now.
 
If the initial fee is 10 million, we won't actually get that much of it up front. Most transfer deals are done via amortization, so we'll probably only get 1/7th or 1/8th of the 10 million fee. Maybe even less. We couldn't really invest 3-4 million in a keeper, and 6 million on 2 new defenders because we wouldn't have the money to do so.

I suppose we could also use amortization to fund our transfers, but depending on payment structures, that may not be completely viable. Many lower end Prem clubs and EFL clubs often sharply defer their payments. They may spend 15 million on a player, pay 2.5 million over the first five years and then 12.5 million over the final 2-4 years. That's not financially viable, and I wouldn't want us to do that.

How is it not financially viable? It all depends on our projected income over the coming years.

It’s like taking out a personal loan, it’s not an issue if you know you can pay it.
 

15 million with or without add ons, do you know? My guess is with add ons, but I don't know.
Guessing with add ons, I'm also going to guess we will have a hefty sell on with any deal?
 
How is it not financially viable? It all depends on our projected income over the coming years.

It’s like taking out a personal loan, it’s not an issue if you know you can pay it.
Well, we don't know if we can pay it, which was my point. Tbf we wouldn't be spending too much on players with 10m, but we certainly can't be spending too big, especially not with how skint our owners are and how little we've gotten on players leaving. Players running down their contracts etc.
 
If the initial fee is 10 million, we won't actually get that much of it up front. Most transfer deals are done via amortization, so we'll probably only get 1/7th or 1/8th of the 10 million fee. Maybe even less. We couldn't really invest 3-4 million in a keeper, and 6 million on 2 new defenders because we wouldn't have the money to do so.

I suppose we could also use amortization to fund our transfers, but depending on payment structures, that may not be completely viable. Many lower end Prem clubs and EFL clubs often sharply defer their payments. They may spend 15 million on a player, pay 2.5 million over the first five years and then 12.5 million over the final 2-4 years. That's not financially viable, and I wouldn't want us to do that.
Hardly any fees are paid up front. Neither would be any fees we agree to pay. It works both ways and the staged payments are largely irrelevant.
 
its added to what we get , to us just now its a player we can utilise our assets better
Wilder will get in a forward a bit older 24 25 owls for instance got in 9 players yet to spend a million , thats desperation, sheffield Freebies is a suitable name for them
I’m not sure selling one of your main attacking threats, when you don’t know yet what pool of players you will have left to choose from, and selling to bring in a few loans as well 😱

But fair enough if you think it’s a good move, can’t agree with everyone
 
We can come back to that. In the meantime I am interested in you having quoted me on something that I didn’t say. Do you accept that you made that up?
I’ve clearly stated it. You disagreed and went on your little rant.

Your options are you either agree with what I said initially £3/4m for Cooper and the rest to the club. Which would make your rant even stranger.

Or you disagree with what I said initially which would mean you think we would spend the money. 😂

You’re either incredibly stupid or on the wind up 😂.

You’re a tad boring now like I said at the start having to explain things so I won’t be replying to you on this comment again. If you feel the need to DM me again fire away.
 
From PA in Sheffield United Way:

"Sometimes we think, okay which league we’re in – some players are good for the Championship, some of them are good for the Premier League. So that has to go into the thinking. Also, what’s the age of the player. Should we renew now, or shall we see how he performs in the next one or two years.”

He expanded:

"It’s never because we forgot, or don’t care. It always has a good reason. Sometimes the player refuses. Like with Iliman, we offered him a contract last year, before the season started. We tried many times. Even with Berge. They preferred not to sign, they said maybe we will not be promoted – they gave me different reasons. You don’t let your good players go into the last year of the contract, but sometimes the players do not accept [an extension].”
I've criticised the Prince for lots of things but I think he's superb at getting large sections of the fans onside with interviews like this.

Not sure we've had an owner in my lifetime who has been taken at his word like Prince Abdullah has. I think that's a superb achievement with what used to be a cynical and questioning fanbase.
 
I’ve clearly stated it. You disagreed and went on your little rant.

Your options are you either agree with what I said initially £3/4m for Cooper and the rest to the club. Which would make your rant even stranger.

Or you disagree with what I said initially which would mean you think we would spend the money. 😂

You’re either incredibly stupid or on the wind up 😂.

You’re a tad boring now like I said at the start having to explain things so I won’t be replying to you on this comment again. If you feel the need to DM me again fire away.
You made it up. There’s no debate to be had there.

I’ll also leave it there and allow others to judge for themselves why it is that you do these things.
 
This is what I meant, Blade45
Yeah, I get it now. Bit of a silly post by me, I'll admit I listened to a 10 minute video about how transfers worked and thought I knew everything. Evidently not!
The response on here (and on the various pods I've listened to) of gerrim sold to fund us spunking the moneh on journeymen defenders, is the reason we don't deserve nice things....

We get the club the supporters deserve.
To be fair, and I like Osula, he has not produced any tangible results that we can look at and say 'We know that he will be a great player'. 2 league goals in his whole career. 15 million (depending on add ons) when we have a squad that has been gutted, and we still have players that want to leave like Anel and Vini Souza. It may look foolish in 10 years time, but if we can reinvest this money in the month we have left in the window, we can seriously push for promotion.
 
The response on here (and on the various pods I've listened to) of gerrim sold to fund us spunking the moneh on journeymen defenders, is the reason we don't deserve nice things....

We get the club the supporters deserve.
Of the five players signed so far, O’Hare and Burrows are anything but journeymen, Moore well perhaps but if so a very good one, and the other two not sure about but they’ve looked decent so far. All of them are improvements on what they’ve replaced. I don’t think anyone wants to spunk money on journeymen and I don’t think so far we have. Out of interest, which defenders would you sign?
 

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