Marlon King?

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Being sponsored by a payday-loans company and employing a man such as King are all part of the same thing though - as long a Club can earn a bit of cash or get a few goals out of it, it's utterly irrelevant how we go about doing things.

I am also aware of what the Club are employing King for - I just don't like being asked to pay to watch him, that's all.

But they're not are they, being sponsored by a payday loan company implies an endorsement of that company, employing King does not imply we approve of his crimes. Look at it this way, a club spokesman could say "whilst we do not condone Marlon's crimes and have every sympathy for his victims, we believe he has paid his debt to society and deserves another chance". No way on earth could they say "whilst we are happy to take Wonga's cash, we would warn our spoorters against taking on payday loans with companies like Wonga".

The two situiations are very different.
 

Fuck me , same people getting all sanctimonious about this that do every time sufc are connected with any thing or anyone slightly less squeaky clean than cliff richard
 
Re the role model thing. You give young men who have known little but football since the age of about 8 loads of money and adulation from thousands of people every week and you are surprised when they behave like immature egomaniacs? Who really expects footballers to provide role models to kids?

Really, if I was drawing up a list of groups of people whom I expected kids to look up to, footballers would come below purveyours of payday loans and slightly above brothel keepers.

So in your eyes the fact that millions of kids look up to footballers gives them no responsibility because they are getting paid a lot of money am I right?

I don't expect them to be angels. I expect them to speed in their flash cars, I expect them to drink and perhaps do the odd bit of silly because we have all got pissed and done silly things. However, it is a giant leap from getting caught doing 90 in a 70 (or even 110 etc) or pissing in the street and breaking a womans nose.

Pinching someones arse is a silly but ultimately not an imprisonable offence, smashing someone in the face is breaking the law. Breaking a womans nose is cowardly, horrendous offence. One that calls for a trip to clink. I cannot think of one instance in my life where I have thought there was a call to smash a woman in the face. I don't care how old you are and what you earn this changes nothing. Theres a thing called standards and it crosses all divides be you young, be you a cleaner or solicitor.

Then there is the football clubs responsibility. If winning really does matter more than anything then why not just feed all your players performance enhancing drugs, advocate them doing whatever they want and be sponsored by the latest "break your legs" money lender that happens to be the new cool thing? But don't then expect parents to bring the next generation of fans to the "Family" stand and watch "women beaters and rapists XI" turn over some other team with axe murder Bill Socket scoring a last minute winner. Football, far from being a family sport is as Rodders suggests chasing its own tail into the gutter. I already don't watch the Premiership because I find the entire greedfest abhorrant. I don't care what the rest of the footballing world actually thinks about us, but I do care that we conduct ourselves with dignity above all.

When it comes to Blades points I can put plenty on the table but I can only think of the Battle Of Bramall Lane when I have been ashamed of my team, until now.
 
It seems to me that what some people are saying is that although we have a system of justice in this country which deals out penalties to people found guilty of breaking the law, that is not enough. Even though a person has carried out the punishment handed out to him by society via the justice system, when it suits our personal views we must carry on punishing him some more. Rather defeats the object of having a justice system in the first place.

With due respect it isn't doing the time it is the pattern of repeat offending. Does it not suggest something else.

I found his interview on RS i-player appalling. He just doesn't give a toss about his reputation, so why should we give a toss about him. Very arrogant man.
 
With due respect it isn't doing the time it is the pattern of repeat offending. Does it not suggest something else.

I found his interview on RS i-player appalling. He just doesn't give a toss about his reputation, so why should we give a toss about him. Very arrogant man.

A goal scorer needs a bit of arrogance. Keith Edwards had plenty. Should we prefer modest No-goal Joe?
 
I shall go in, take my seat, and once the match kicks off, out I go once King is on the pitch. If that is at 3.01, so be it. If it means at 4.35 if he comes off the bench, that's what I shall do. But no, I will go the lane regardless of whether he is in the starting XI or not.

Do you think that's a tad pathetic?
 
Pinching someones arse is a silly but ultimately not an imprisonable offence, smashing someone in the face is breaking the law. Breaking a womans nose is cowardly, horrendous offence. One that calls for a trip to clink. I cannot think of one instance in my life where I have thought there was a call to smash a woman in the face. I don't care how old you are and what you earn this changes nothing. Theres a thing called standards and it crosses all divides be you young, be you a cleaner or solicitor.

Disagree.

Had you witnessed the Mother of Daniel Pelka undertaking systematic torture of her son, I imagine there isn't a court in the land who would have sent you down had you clocked her in the face to prevent what was occurring from continuing.

This "You shouldn`t hit a Woman under any circumstances" bollocks belongs in the dark ages. If you disagree with violence to that extent, the sex of the victim should make not one iota of difference.
 
So in your eyes the fact that millions of kids look up to footballers gives them no responsibility because they are getting paid a lot of money am I right?

I don't expect them to be angels. I expect them to speed in their flash cars, I expect them to drink and perhaps do the odd bit of silly because we have all got pissed and done silly things. However, it is a giant leap from getting caught doing 90 in a 70 (or even 110 etc) or pissing in the street and breaking a womans nose.

Pinching someones arse is a silly but ultimately not an imprisonable offence, smashing someone in the face is breaking the law. Breaking a womans nose is cowardly, horrendous offence. One that calls for a trip to clink. I cannot think of one instance in my life where I have thought there was a call to smash a woman in the face. I don't care how old you are and what you earn this changes nothing. Theres a thing called standards and it crosses all divides be you young, be you a cleaner or solicitor.

Then there is the football clubs responsibility. If winning really does matter more than anything then why not just feed all your players performance enhancing drugs, advocate them doing whatever they want and be sponsored by the latest "break your legs" money lender that happens to be the new cool thing? But don't then expect parents to bring the next generation of fans to the "Family" stand and watch "women beaters and rapists XI" turn over some other team with axe murder Bill Socket scoring a last minute winner. Football, far from being a family sport is as Rodders suggests chasing its own tail into the gutter. I already don't watch the Premiership because I find the entire greedfest abhorrant. I don't care what the rest of the footballing world actually thinks about us, but I do care that we conduct ourselves with dignity above all.

When it comes to Blades points I can put plenty on the table but I can only think of the Battle Of Bramall Lane when I have been ashamed of my team, until now.

My point is that professional sports people are pretty bad role models all round and maybe us parents should be encouraging kids not to idolise footballers.

I agree that King has committed some awful crimes. However for the eight millionth time, I don't beleive it right contuining to punish someone after they have done their time. If SUFC had come out and said "we considered signing Marlon King, but due to his criminal past decided not to", I would be appalled at such sanctimoniousness.
 
Thats what gets me about the sex offender stuff. In any sane world breaking a woman's nose would be a far bigger deal than feeling her arse. But, oh no, no one mentions the former, yet we all hysterically scream "sex offender!!!!" because of the latter.


Plenty of people have mentioned the fact that he hit a women in the face, and all his other offences he has been convicted of as well.
Not everyone has focused on the sex offender bit, in fact most haven't and if anything the two who have mentioned it the most is you and pincy.
 
Disagree.

Had you witnessed the Mother of Daniel Pelka undertaking systematic torture of her son, I imagine there isn't a court in the land who would have sent you down had you clocked her in the face to prevent what was occurring from continuing.

This "You shouldn`t hit a Woman under any circumstances" bollocks belongs in the dark ages. If you disagree with violence to that extent, the sex of the victim should make not one iota of difference.

Ah so Marlon King was defending a child from an abusive mother. Well I never heard that but in the book of cracking defences you have it won. All Hail the King.
 
My point is that professional sports people are pretty bad role models all round and maybe us parents should be encouraging kids not to idolise footballers.

I agree that King has committed some awful crimes. However for the eight millionth time, I don't beleive it right contuining to punish someone after they have done their time. If SUFC had come out and said "we considered signing Marlon King, but due to his criminal past decided not to", I would be appalled at such sanctimoniousness.

I don't give a shit about King, its the club I support that I care about. As for picking your kids role model good luck in choosing them because I don't think you have much influence in it.
 

My point is that professional sports people are pretty bad role models all round and maybe us parents should be encouraging kids not to idolise footballers.

I agree that King has committed some awful crimes. However for the eight millionth time, I don't beleive it right contuining to punish someone after they have done their time. If SUFC had come out and said "we considered signing Marlon King, but due to his criminal past decided not to", I would be appalled at such sanctimoniousness.

I think you're missing the gist of most people's misgivings. It's not the criminal record per se, it's the repeat offending and seeming unwillingness to change his behaviour. He's holding up two fingers to the rest of us who are able to go about our lives without repeated run ins with the law. He doesn't appear to give a shit about anyone but himself.

That's why I don't want him at the Lane.
 
All this stuff about morality, "family club" etc is so much bollocks. People will turn up if we are winning and will not turn up if we are losing. Football has been a morality free zone for as long as I can remember.


I agree completely with this.
The problem is, it's the club that has been pushing 'The Family Club' slogan for years. I think Brearley might have first used it back in the late 80s, not the fans.

Hopefully we'll drop it now and just admit we're the same as every other club, including the fact that we will employ footballers of dubious character who most people wouldn't want their family anywhere near.

One of the most telling parts of the interview last night was when asked if he had any offers from other clubs King said something along the lines of 'going abroad' and never mentioned anything about any offers from British clubs.
 
I think you're missing the gist of most people's misgivings. It's not the criminal record per se, it's the repeat offending and seeming unwillingness to change his behaviour. He's holding up two fingers to the rest of us who are able to go about our lives without repeated run ins with the law. He doesn't appear to give a shit about anyone but himself.

That's why I don't want him at the Lane.

And he has been punished for each of those crimes. For the trillionth times, I am pretty sure he is a complete arse who most people wouldn't want to spend any time, but I won't have to. Just as I don't care about the criminal record of the bloke who cleans my windows I just want him to cleans my windows well, I don't care about King's criminal record. I just want him to bang in the goals.

I think thats actually the gist of it for a lot of people. If King was employed earning a pittance cleaning windows, no-one would mind about his record or suggest his boss shouldn't employ him. It's the fact that he can commit loads of crimes and still earn oodles of cash that sticks in people's gullet.
 
Pinching someones arse is a silly but ultimately not an imprisonable offence, smashing someone in the face is breaking the law. Breaking a womans nose is cowardly, horrendous offence. One that calls for a trip to clink. I cannot think of one instance in my life where I have thought there was a call to smash a woman in the face. .

I know I'm repeating myself here but I don't remember similar outrage 2 or 3 years ago when we last signed a player found guilty of punching a woman in the face.
 
I'm with you on this fella, personally I think we've got desperate and I won't set foot at the lane whilst King is at our club.

I'm sure those at the club will be saying "the fans will change their views when he bangs the goals in" personally I won't.

I'm sure you would've preferred him to take "that" penalty than Steve Simonsen.

He is a total arsehole, but he's an arsehole that can score goals.

Would you have had any of the following:

Tony Adams
Eric Cantona
George Best
Jermaine Pennant
Patrick Kluivert
Jan Molby
 
He plays for Wendy now doesn't he ,maybe they will do an hour special on him if we all call in ?
 
And he has been punished for each of those crimes. For the trillionth times, I am pretty sure he is a complete arse who most people wouldn't want to spend any time, but I won't have to. Just as I don't care about the criminal record of the bloke who cleans my windows I just want him to cleans my windows well, I don't care about King's criminal record. I just want him to bang in the goals.

I think thats actually the gist of it for a lot of people. If King was employed earning a pittance cleaning windows, no-one would mind about his record or suggest his boss shouldn't employ him. It's the fact that he can commit loads of crimes and still earn oodles of cash that sticks in people's gullet.
I'm sure King is as odious creep who I wouldn't like to spend any time with, but you are right, he's done the time and (whether you agree or not) "repaid" his debt to society. There are plenty of people walking round who have done far worse and either got away with it in a court or haven't been brought before a court at all.
 
quote="BladeFisher, post: 527283, member: 2355"]With due respect it isn't doing the time it is the pattern of repeat offending. Does it not suggest something else.

I found his interview on RS i-player appalling. He just doesn't give a toss about his reputation, so why should we give a toss about him. Very arrogant man.[/quote]

Yes, quite right. Perhaps the courts should have ordered that he never ever be allowed to play professional football again. Why stop there. Lets prevent him from earning a living at all.
 
get ready for radio pig special hour part 2 ,already plugged by Nob Staton ,a jolly hour full of 2 minute fame wankers ,who know nothing actually factual and probably never been to Bramall Lane in their life.
Welcome to Sheffield Marlon.
 

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