Marlon King?

[sitwell]

Chuck in community service and suspended sentences and you can have Nathan Dyer and Joe Mattock

Nathan Blake ?

 

[Darren]

No, I was commenting on a thread about marlon king, who has 14 previous convictions and is on the sex offenders register. You have rearranged it to fit your own argument, which appears to be that it doesn't matter if you're guilty of x number of offences, society should always find employment for you.

Actually in my response to you I was addressing your misrepresentation of what Racy said.

I don't say "society" should always find employment for an ex-con. I say that when someone has committed a crime and served their sentence and an employer wants to give them a job, I don't agree that members of the public should put moral pressure on the employer to rescind the job offer.

 

[axel smeets]

Actually in my response to you I was addressing your misrepresentation of what Racy said.

I don't say "society" should always find employment for an ex-con. I say that when someone has committed a crime and served their sentence and an employer wants to give them a job, I don't agree that members of the public should put moral pressure on the employer to rescind the job offer.

You don't think that as ST holders of SUFC, as paying customers, we have a right to seek justification for the employment of someone who is on the sex offenders register? We are not talking about giving an ex - con a job stacking shelves in Tesco here. SUFC have brought someone in, will be paying them a lot of money, and are, IMO, fully justified in getting the shitstorm that has come their way.

 

[Darren]

You don't think that as ST holders of SUFC, as paying customers, we have a right to seek justification for the employment of someone who is on the sex offenders register? We are not talking about giving an ex - con a job stacking shelves in Tesco here. SUFC have brought someone in, will be paying them a lot of money, and are, IMO, fully justified in getting the shitstorm that has come their way.

Playing for SUFC will not make him any more likely to commit sexual offences. As such, his being on the sexual offenders register is irrelevant* Indeed, I would suggest that being in gainful employment will give him less time to re-offend

* I realise that you - and a lot of other people - think there is something uniquely horrifying about sexual offences. I don't. You can get put on the sexual offenders' register for groping someone's arse on the tube. In my view there are far worse crimes than that which don't attract the same stigma.

 

[Junior Soduko]

What difference does it make how much we are paying Marlon King? If he was playing for free would it make any difference to those who are against it?

Weir knew we needed a striker, he's signed a striker, a striker who posesses a proven goalscoring record wherever he has played. Isn't this what all Weir knockers have been shouting for? Kings a twat, but he's a quality football player at this level who's a twat. All he has to do for 90 minutes a week, is show me passion and desire to suceed alongside the other 10 men and they will have my support.

 

[Crouchy]

Actually in my response to you I was addressing your misrepresentation of what Racy said.

I don't say "society" should always find employment for an ex-con. I say that when someone has committed a crime and served their sentence and an employer wants to give them a job, I don't agree that members of the public should put moral pressure on the employer to rescind the job offer.

I think, on balance, that that is a sensible, civilised and mature approach. Do you feel exactly the same about someone who has committed a crime and served their sentence fourteen times, and who looks to possibly be headed for a fifteenth? When does one say "enough is enough"?

 

[Darren]

A conundrum:

If your employer employed someone with King's criminal record (assuming their record did not make them unfit to do the job in anyway), would you shun that person as a "twat" or give them the benefit of the doubt until they showed further twattish behaviour?

 

[Crouchy]

I would suggest that being in gainful employment will give him less time to re-offend

Thank fuck that all his toiling away at the footballing coalface has kept him out of trouble so far

 

[StarBlade]

And how many pop-stars, movie stars, F1 drivers, golfers etc, etc fuck-up...? Hundreds of them, it's in the red-tops on a daily basis....it's called life. Yes there are the normal ones who live by the rules despite earning millions but it's the same in normal life, the difference is they are in the public eye. It's a sorry state but just because they earn millions and have a "privilaged" job doesn't mean they will behave themselves any more than anyone else.

Sorry, don't know how to multi-quote, but this is aimed at all who replied to my post.

Nothing to do with being a privileged job at all. This is a serial offender over a 15 year period. A career criminal, known for violence and sexual offences, now working in a very public environment. That's it, nothing else.

As Darren points out, possibly correctly, the Community/Family stuff is all rubbish. I personally disagree, for me Sheffield United or any club has a direct link with the community it serves. Football is entirely a family affair or else why are any of us here supporting United, and every club has a duty to uphold a level of decency above the basic desire of getting 3 points. You can be decent off the field as you are on it (chance would be a fine thing).

As for role-models and off-the-field antics, maybe they aren't influenced by such things. I'm sure they are influenced by the off-the-field antics, even in a very small portion. Do young impressionable girls and boys mimic their favourite musician, in clothes, language, behaviour? I think that they do. That might be enough for just one kid to grow up thinking it's ok to smash the face in of a woman who rejects your sexual advances. Maybe that's hyperbole, but I'd rather not take that risk.

The man is a disgusting man, and his past is still very much present. If people can separate the player from the person, then that's fine. Personally, I don't easily separate, mostly because of the type of offences and the continuous nature of them, and the apparent inability to change his ways.

 

[Darren]

I think, on balance, that that is a sensible, civilised and mature approach. Do you feel exactly the same about someone who has committed a crime and served their sentence fourteen times, and who looks to possibly be headed for a fifteenth? When does one say "enough is enough"?

Actually people do change. I have personal experience of people who were complete arses when they were young men and committed far more crimes than King did, but then grew up, stopped committing crimes and were perfectly nice people. It seems to me profoundly wrong to always hold someone's criminal record against them and refuse them employment. That seems to be guaranteed to ensure they remain life long criminals.

Admittedly, King is a bit old to still doing the irresponsible young man who will grow out of it act, but you never know...

 

[Darren]

Thank fuck that all his toiling away at the footballing coalface has kept him out of trouble so far

Ah, but what would he have done had he been unemployed

 

[Torrix1889]

Sorry, don't know how to multi-quote, but this is aimed at all who replied to my post.

Nothing to do with being a privileged job at all. This is a serial offender over a 15 year period. A career criminal, known for violence and sexual offences, now working in a very public environment. That's it, nothing else.

As Darren points out, possibly correctly, the Community/Family stuff is all rubbish. I personally disagree, for me Sheffield United or any club has a direct link with the community it serves. Football is entirely a family affair or else why are any of us here supporting United, and every club has a duty to uphold a level of decency above the basic desire of getting 3 points. You can be decent off the field as you are on it (chance would be a fine thing).

As for role-models and off-the-field antics, maybe they aren't influenced by such things. I'm sure they are influenced by the off-the-field antics, even in a very small portion. Do young impressionable girls and boys mimic their favourite musician, in clothes, language, behaviour? I think that they do. That might be enough for just one kid to grow up thinking it's ok to smash the face in of a woman who rejects your sexual advances. Maybe that's hyperbole, but I'd rather not take that risk.

The man is a disgusting man, and his past is still very much present. If people can separate the player from the person, then that's fine. Personally, I don't easily separate, mostly because of the type of offences and the continuous nature of them, and the apparent inability to change his ways.

All very valid points Star, you make whatever protest you feel is necessary, stay away from the club, don't applaud Marlon if he scores, write a letter of complaint....is it going to make a jot of difference....not one jot.

 

[Junior Soduko]

A conundrum:

If your employer employed someone with King's criminal record (assuming their record did not make them unfit to do the job in anyway), would you shun that person as a "twat" or give them the benefit of the doubt until they showed further twattish behaviour?

I'd give him a second chance. If he wasn't fit to work, be out in society etc, he wouldn't be out. Simple as that. Would i ask the guy to go for a drink after work, probably not, but it wouldn't stop me giving the guy a second chance. Afterall wether it's criminal or otherwise, who has lived a perfect life and not done anything they regret?

 

[Crouchy]

I'd give him a second chance. If he wasn't fit to work, be out in society etc, he wouldn't be out. Simple as that. Would i ask the guy to go for a drink after work, probably not, but it wouldn't stop me giving the guy a second chance. Afterall wether it's criminal or otherwise, who has lived a perfect life and not done anything they regret?

Would you give him fifteen chances?

 

[Junior Soduko]

Would you give him fifteen chances?

Yes

 

[Rodders]

Ah, but what would he have done had he been unemployed

A one-man GTA crime wave by the looks of it.

 

[Salopian Blade]

I totally agree with Star Blade.I cannot believe the club I have supported for 60 years have signed King.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

I tend to take people as I find them, not how others tell me I should.

If I ever come into contact with Marlon King, or anyone else who I knew had a record like his then I would be more suspicious of them and I might not invite them round for tea but I'd still make my own mind up about them based on my own dealings with them rather than actions that are history and paid for.

 

[Jon Bon]

Top 3 bands who would have split the support down the middle if The Blades had signed them...

1. King Crimson
2. King
3. Kings of Leon

Gary Sinclair's first 3 songs on Saturday...

1. Kill The King - Rainbow
2. King - UB40
3. The King of Wishful Thinking - Go West

 

[Rodders]

Not Smack My Bitch Up?

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Any scored by that twat pig Curran

Only saw this fucker score once for us , v southend away , probably scored more but how cares.

 

[alcoblade]

I wonder how many Marlon King stayaways are already stayaways? Whilst I don't want to belittle the opinions of those who are genuinely disappointed by this move, I'm sure there's a significant proportion of people who will continually find things to be outraged by, or are distant followers who prioritise the club's style (image) over content.

I'm with dazzler. I expect the crowd to be down by 12 this weekend, in complete disproportion to internet traffic around here.

UTB

 

[Darren]

Only saw this fucker score once for us , v southend away , probably scored more but how cares.

He got 3

7/9/82: Huddersfield H (2) W2-0
1/3/83: Newport (H) (1) W2-0

 

[Darren]

Top 3 bands who would have split the support down the middle if The Blades had signed them...

1. King Crimson
2. King
3. Kings of Leon

Gary Sinclair's first 3 songs on Saturday...

1. Kill The King - Rainbow
2. King - UB40
3. The King of Wishful Thinking - Go West

4. Kings of the Wild Frontier - Adam and the Ants

 

[Junior Soduko]

The bottom line to all of this is that, Marlon King doesn't care, David Weir doesn't care and probably most importantly SUFC don't care. If any one of those 3 parties did care about what King knockers think, he would't have signed or have been signed.

One thing is for sure, if King scores a last minute winner on saturday, we will ALL be cheering.

 

[Rodders]

I wonder how many Marlon King stayaways are already stayaways? Whilst I don't want to belittle the opinions of those who are genuinely disappointed by this move, I'm sure there's a significant proportion of people who will continually find things to be outraged by, or are distant followers who prioritise the club's style (image) over content.

I'm with dazzler. I expect the crowd to be down by 12 this weekend, in complete disproportion to internet traffic around here.

UTB

I think the people left who go now are the ones who have put up with enough shit to not be phased by any other crap the Club throw at them.

My own view is that I am saddened at this signing; football is tawdry enough without vermin like this being given chance after chance. You just somehow hope that it would never happen to yours... but now it has.
I'm of the same opinion as Crouchy - after 14 convictions, how can the bloke have "repaid his debt" to society - he's constantly adding to society's debt by acting like the cock he undoubtedly is. I'm surprised that the Club went ahead with this, given our last striker's dealings with the law and a female victim - but no doubt it's a sign of our standing in the game that it's barely made a ripple.

 

[axel smeets]

Playing for SUFC will not make him any more likely to commit sexual offences. As such, his being on the sexual offenders register is irrelevant* Indeed, I would suggest that being in gainful employment will give him less time to re-offend

* I realise that you - and a lot of other people - think there is something uniquely horrifying about sexual offences. I don't. You can get put on the sexual offenders' register for groping someone's arse on the tube. In my view there are far worse crimes than that which don't attract the same stigma.

But he has been a professional from 1998- present day. His 14 offences were committed between 1997 - present day. Earning ££££ and being in gainful employment has not stopped him offending. To me that seems to suggest just that he is pondlife.

Look, we're never going to agree on this Darren. You are a trained and highly skilled lawyer. I am not. Whilst I completely respect your authority on all matters regarding the law, on this occasion I completely disagree with you.
What this man has been guilty of in the past and indeed may still be guilty of now is a line that has been crossed for me.

 

[Darren]

I think the people left who go now are the ones who have put up with enough shit to not be phased by any other crap the Club throw at them.

My own view is that I am saddened at this signing; football is tawdry enough without vermin like this being given chance after chance. You just somehow hope that it would never happen to yours... but now it has.
I'm of the same opinion as Crouchy - after 14 convictions, how can the bloke have "repaid his debt" to society - he's constantly adding to society's debt by acting like the cock he undoubtedly is. I'm surprised that the Club went ahead with this, given our last striker's dealings with the law and a female victim - but no doubt it's a sign of our standing in the game that it's barely made a ripple.

Because he served his sentence after each crime. You appear to be suggesting that he should be punished over and beyond what the courts imposed on him.

 

[Coily]

He got 3

7/9/82: Huddersfield H (2) W2-0
1/3/83: Newport (H) (1) W2-0

He was actually very good against Huddersfield, and if I remember right he scored both in the second half kicking towards the Kop. It did strike me as odd as a kid that he was getting loads of stick despite being the best player on the pitch that night by miles. But then, I wasn't wholly aware of his Pig Bastard past.

As an aside, this was my first night match, and from that day to this I always think BDTBL looks at it's best when the floodlights are on.

 

[Darren]

But he has been a professional from 1998- present day. His 14 offences were committed between 1997 - present day. Earning ££££ and being in gainful employment has not stopped him offending. To me that seems to suggest just that he is pondlife.

Look, we're never going to agree on this Darren. You are a trained and highly skilled lawyer. I am not. Whilst I completely respect your authority on all matters regarding the law, on this occasion I completely disagree with you.
What this man has been guilty of in the past and indeed may still be guilty of now is a line that has been crossed for me.

His last conviction was in 2009. I accept he is currently on bail for two other offences, but innocent until proven guilty and all that. Would you deny a man with King's criminal record employment when he has no convictions for four years?