CONFIRMED Michael Cooper signs for the Blades

[Guesty]

Some Leeds fans. In reality his injury record says differently. Regardless of what a few Leeds fans choose to say.

All players are ‘prone’ to contact injuries. They could happen to anyone at any time.

What’s your own understanding of his injury record? Seeing as you brought it up.

Why wouldn’t the club do due diligence. What a ridiculous point to make.

I dunno, we've made plenty of signings who have subsequently proven to be susceptible to injuries so I would say our due diligence has been poor.

Not all players are equally prone to contact injuries are they? People who are otherwise prone to injury are also more likely to get contact injuries.

The point is, we signed someone who was considered injury-prone. He is already injured, perhaps badly, perhaps not, we'll see. With that in mind, spending proper money on a vital position for someone who has already had two bad injuries right now because the wisest move

 

[Thrice]

Not worth a thread on its own but Arsenal are looking to loan Ramsdale. Newcastle are interested as cover for Pope. Not sure Rambo would want to be another No2, wether he’d come back here or if it’s no on wages.

Just sayin, no, decided it’s bollox cause we ain’t got deep pockets, go for cheapest

Looks like he's close to joining Forest on loan. Going for the relegation hat trick?

 

[LJBlade]

I dunno, we've made plenty of signings who have subsequently proven to be susceptible to injuries so I would say our due diligence has been poor.

Not all players are equally prone to contact injuries are they? People who are otherwise prone to injury are also more likely to get contact injuries.

The point is, we signed someone who was considered injury-prone. He is already injured, perhaps badly, perhaps not, we'll see. With that in mind, spending proper money on a vital position for someone who has already had two bad injuries right now because the wisest move

There seems to be quite a lot that you ‘dunno’.

Certain players are more likely to be tackled in a way that injures them? Not sure I buy that. The injury today could’ve happened to anyone.

Was he really considered injury prone though? So far you’ve been unable to point to anything concrete to show that he’s ‘injury prone’.

I get your point about due diligence but to suggest we might not be doing it is ridiculous. Our injury record with Wilder as manager is fantastic.

 

[Fatlad666]

Most important position for the season ahead and we can't cobble £3m for a top rated keeper in his last season under contract?

Embarrassing if we fail to get this done.

Grow up. Your like a petulant child, every opportunity knock the club. That's your remit.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Grow up. Your like a petulant child, every opportunity knock the club. That's your remit.

It’s the “must have it now” generation.

When people see a free transfer they think they were actually free. Cooper is a highly rated keeper, probably worth 10 to 15 million.

He’ll cost £0.00 next season, so obvious his agent will be insisting on massive wages. If he costs 3 million now I reckon he’ll still want massive wages and he has injury issues.

I reckon we’ll try to cover ourselves regards injuries in the contract but what if his agent insist on a big wages with no reduction clause based on injury.

Should we risk paying him a massive salary. Imagine if he’s regular injured the same fans will be saying “what idiot paid him £40K a week when he hardly plays, sack Bettis, sack the Prince”.

Obvious goal keeper is a key position so we’ll want Cooper but we’ll also have other options too (probably a loan) because we can’t allow ourselves to be blackmailed making a desperate signing giving Cooper whatever salary he wants, we did that with Brewster and look where that got us.

 

[KiwiBlade]

wit in 5, 4, 3…… how can we sign him if owner wont sell club

Given he’s an estate agent someone needs to ask him how long it usually takes to sell a £500k house, let alone a £100m football club (with land/property attached)

 

[Rodley]

There seems to be quite a lot that you ‘dunno’.

Certain players are more likely to be tackled in a way that injures them? Not sure I buy that. The injury today could’ve happened to anyone.

Was he really considered injury prone though? So far you’ve been unable to point to anything concrete to show that he’s ‘injury prone’.

I get your point about due diligence but to suggest we might not be doing it is ridiculous. Our injury record with Wilder as manager is fantastic.

Yes, he was considered injury prone. Last season he had repeated minor injuries.

 

[The Crab]

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Ohh you tease

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Shackleton went off injured today, obviously no real word on the severity yet but Wilder has said it "looks bad".

He sustained an injury in a tackle. But your mentality is it's down to our player or the club for signing him. That's embarrassing.

 

[The Crab]

Happy that Garbage was no where to be seen today

He’d ordered a Crab Cab to get to Rotherham, Vern took the job.

You’re welcome…..

 

[The Crab]

Maybe coming by helicopter?

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Good, he can bring me a Cowboy Pasty and a fanta

 

[LJBlade]

Yes, he was considered injury prone. Last season he had repeated minor injuries.

I know but that’s the only season where he’s missed games due to injury. If that’s the criteria then every player who’s missed games through injury could be considered injury prone.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think your comment could be applied the self same way. There's a few people share this view, and that doesn't make us stupid, far from it.

Then educate.
Given the figures are presented publicly and pretty much every pound has been accounted for in sales, wages, infrastructure purchases or running costs for the past 5 seasons, can you explain where you believe we’ve got another £6m for this transfer on top of the around £10-12 million we’ve already completed and committed to this season on new players?
Please also cover how we recover the £30m in lost revenue, fund the training ground purchase and hotel upgrades and where this cira £50m slush fund has come from?

 

[The Crab]

He's goalkeeper coach at Weds isn't he?

That explains so much

 

[The Crab]

Not worth a thread on its own but Arsenal are looking to loan Ramsdale. Newcastle are interested as cover for Pope. Not sure Rambo would want to be another No2, wether he’d come back here or if it’s no on wages.

Just sayin, no, decided it’s bollox cause we ain’t got deep pockets, go for cheapest

No not after what he’s said and done.

As my Grandad used to say, he’s shit his potfull

 

[The Crab]

Looks like he's close to joining Forest on loan. Going for the relegation hat trick?

So he’s gone from possibly going to Bayern, to Forest?

It’s like saying well I could have gone to The Maldives, but fuck it let’s get a caravan at Ingoldmells

 

[Weasel]

No not after what he’s said and done.

As my Grandad used to say, he’s shit his potfull

After he refused to play for us at WBA and left us in the shit that night so that he could try and force a move, then has the audacity to sit grinning about it all to a Gooners TV channel and taking the piss about what he did and thinking he was very clever....., he can go fuck himself. Never want that unprofessional little tit playing for us again (only if he was to make a public apology for his silly actions would I then think, maybe...)

It wouldn't happen at this stage of his career anyway but that's fine with me. Don't want him. He can stick his silly little out for fans of another club whilst grinning inanely.

 

[Rodley]

I know but that’s the only season where he’s missed games due to injury. If that’s the criteria then every player who’s missed games through injury could be considered injury prone.

He’s been injury prone all the way through his career. Every Leeds fan I’ve spoken to up here said he was injury prone. I’m just about to see a Leeds season ticket holder, who without an axe to grind, said he can’t stay fit when we signed him. And he’s already injured.

Literally no point wasting my time arguing about it further. If you know better, so be it.

 

[ekke287]

Most important position for the season ahead and we can't cobble £3m for a top rated keeper in his last season under contract?

Embarrassing if we fail to get this done.

We also spent more on Grbic.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Then educate.
Given the figures are presented publicly and pretty much every pound has been accounted for in sales, wages, infrastructure purchases or running costs for the past 5 seasons, can you explain where you believe we’ve got another £6m for this transfer on top of the around £10-12 million we’ve already completed and committed to this season on new players?
Please also cover how we recover the £30m in lost revenue, fund the training ground purchase and hotel upgrades and where this cira £50m slush fund has come from?

Of course there is lost revenue from being relegated, but we hardly committed to being in the EPL. We had the lowest wage bill, of which 15 players have now left, many of which would be the highest earners. Our net transfer spend last summer must have been close to zero. We bought Hamer and Souza (who hasn't been paid for yet I'm reliably informed and will be sold this summer before the first instalment is due), and sold Ndiaye and Berge.

We spent little in January - a fee for Garbage and BBD.

This summer we have sold Bogle and Jebbison for £8.5m. so far we have paid (?) for Burrows, although this is shown as not disclosed.

And I know there are fees, signing on and agents, and I know these are significant.

You ask me to educate, and I genuinely can't. I cannot reconcile how 3 out of 5 years we have been in the richest league in the world, have had the lowest wage bill in the league when we were there, and aside from the first year, have spent next to nothing. We have spent last season and this, publicly saying we are looking for frees and loans.

I genuinely cannot understand how our club is being run at the moment.

You talk as if signing Cooper is signing Jordan Pickford. It's £3m we are talking about, not £30m. If this takeover is happening, then the new owners should realize that they will need to invest in a team, having got rid of 15 players already. A decent goalkeeper is not an unreasonable request, and £3m isn't an unreasonable amount of money.

 

[Blade56]

I can’t see Gric is as bad as we’ve seen him be, if he isn’t happy here and wants a move no point in him putting an effort in

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Then educate.
Given the figures are presented publicly and pretty much every pound has been accounted for in sales, wages, infrastructure purchases or running costs for the past 5 seasons, can you explain where you believe we’ve got another £6m for this transfer on top of the around £10-12 million we’ve already completed and committed to this season on new players?
Please also cover how we recover the £30m in lost revenue, fund the training ground purchase and hotel upgrades and where this cira £50m slush fund has come from?

Oh, and on your last point, I'm convinced this is to ease the sale. When we were first promoted we made some capital expenditure on the ground (to comply with Sky requirements). I cannot recall any capital investment since until this summer.

No idea what this £50 slush fund is and that you refer to. As far as the drop in revenue goes, we have already addressed that by getting rid of most of the high earners.

 

[LJBlade]

He’s been injury prone all the way through his career. Every Leeds fan I’ve spoken to up here said he was injury prone. I’m just about to see a Leeds season ticket holder, who without an axe to grind, said he can’t stay fit when we signed him. And he’s already injured.

Literally no point wasting my time arguing about it further. If you know better, so be it.

I’m not arguing, and I’m not saying I know better. I’m just going off the stats.

Last season he was missing from the playing squad for around 20 games due to injury. The 22/23 season, when he was on loan at Millwall, he was missing for for 1 game. The 21/22 season he was left out of the squad due to injury for about 4 games, the 20/21 season was similar.

He isn’t a player who year on year misses large parts of the season. I’d suggest that any Leeds fan who claims he can’t stay fit is suffering from recency bias.

 

[Guesty]

He sustained an injury in a tackle. But your mentality is it's down to our player or the club for signing him. That's embarrassing.

I'm not blaming the club for Shackleton - you can see from reading my posts that I have slagged off neither the club nor the player for the injury, apart from saying that in general out due diligence is sometimes poor (which I stand by, looks how much we bet the farm on Brewster for example).

What I don't subscribe to, however, is the notion that impact injuries are somehow entirely separate from the general notion of being injury-prone. If a player is more like to sustain injuries in general, they're also more likely to be injured in the tackle.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I'm not blaming the club for Shackleton - you can see from reading my posts that I have slagged off neither the club nor the player for the injury, apart from saying that in general out due diligence is sometimes poor (which I stand by, looks how much we bet the farm on Brewster for example).

What I don't subscribe to, however, is the notion that impact injuries are somehow entirely separate from the general notion of being injury-prone. If a player is more like to sustain injuries in general, they're also more likely to be injured in the tackle.

I don't get the "the latest injury prone player we have signed" bit then.

 

[Bladeloyal]

We buy a player he gets a contact injury and then some blame the club ,blades my arse

 

[Guesty]

I don't get the "the latest injury prone player we have signed" bit then.

I was talking about Shackleton but not blaming anyone. Injuries happen, my point is that we've already rolled the diced on someone who is perceived as injury-prone - nothing wrong with that, but since there's already a chance he's been badly injured, I just hope it might give the club pause if we're going to buy someone in a vital position who has already had a couple of fairly serious issues in the past.

I'm more advocating "Once Bitten, Twice Shy" rather than having a pop at anyone for the Shackleton situation.

 

[Guesty]

We buy a player he gets a contact injury and then some blame the club ,blades my arse

I'm very much not blaming the club.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Of course there is lost revenue from being relegated, but we hardly committed to being in the EPL. We had the lowest wage bill, of which 15 players have now left, many of which would be the highest earners. Our net transfer spend last summer must have been close to zero. We bought Hamer and Souza (who hasn't been paid for yet I'm reliably informed and will be sold this summer before the first instalment is due), and sold Ndiaye and Berge.

We spent little in January - a fee for Garbage and BBD.

This summer we have sold Bogle and Jebbison for £8.5m. so far we have paid (?) for Burrows, although this is shown as not disclosed.

And I know there are fees, signing on and agents, and I know these are significant.

You ask me to educate, and I genuinely can't. I cannot reconcile how 3 out of 5 years we have been in the richest league in the world, have had the lowest wage bill in the league when we were there, and aside from the first year, have spent next to nothing. We have spent last season and this, publicly saying we are looking for frees and loans.

I genuinely cannot understand how our club is being run at the moment.

You talk as if signing Cooper is signing Jordan Pickford. It's £3m we are talking about, not £30m. If this takeover is happening, then the new owners should realize that they will need to invest in a team, having got rid of 15 players already. A decent goalkeeper is not an unreasonable request, and £3m isn't an unreasonable amount of money.

It was reported that Luton had a lower bill last season. So far this summer they’ve sold players for approximately £10m, lost Osho and signed 2 free transfers.
Do you seriously believe that we have not paid a single penny for Souza?
We also have bought Kieffer Moore.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Our net transfer spend last summer must have been close to zero.

Check out the transfermarkt site.

It shows that last year we brought in 30.9 million euros in transfers and paid out 66.95 in purchases. That’s a net spend of 36 million euros.

This is higher transfer spend than Everton, Brighton, Wolves, West Ham, Luton and Fulham.

and aside from the first year, have spent next to nothing.

The same transfermarkt site shows our spending during our PL seasons as

2020 spent 72.5m brought in 0.3m = 72.2 million euros net
2021 spent 62.7 million brought in zero = 62.7 million euro net

Steve Bettis was interviewed a few months ago and he explained that other clubs like a Brighton or Southampton might look like they’re spending more than us but they’ve managed to sell players for 50 million plus.

The last time Brighton had a net expenditure on players was the 20-21 season where their net spend was 29.5 million euros.

Bettis stated that our issue relates to player sales, no one has offered 20 million, never mind 50 million for any of our players.