So its official

[ThatJa]

First time all 3 promoted teams from CH have gone back down the year after since 1997/98.

The gulf between top 3 CH and bottom 3 PL is only gonna get bigger over the next few years.

Good luck Ipswich.

 

[metalblade]

First time all 3 promoted teams from CH have gone back down the year after since 1997/98.

The gulf between top 3 CH and bottom 3 PL is only gonna get bigger over the next few years.

Good luck Ipswich.

They'll need it

 

[mcbladeface]

It's going to get more common but it'll need to happen a few times in a row before the PL acknowledge that maybe there's a problem let alone do anything to address it. Next year Leicester will stay up so that'll reset the clock.

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

Lets not insult the championship by suggesting our current team would even get in the top half of that league.

Utd and Burnley have been idiotically shit but for different reasons.

The Prem isn't the problem, clubs not properly using the huge amounts of money they've been given are

 

[SRA76]

The championship last season was by Far the poorest wankest championship in history. And so it has been prooved. We were bang fucking average and pissed promotion. BUT I think Leicester will struggle big time But I do believe Ipswich will survive

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Don Goodman outlines Burnley, Sheffield United, Luton evidence that Ipswich Town must learn from

Goodman believes the Tractor Boys must focus on building from the back before looking to their more advanced positions.

footballleagueworld.co.uk

 

[100% part time blade]

Lets not insult the championship by suggesting our current team would even get in the top half of that league.

Utd and Burnley have been idiotically shit but for different reasons.

The Prem isn't the problem, clubs not properly using the huge amounts of money they've been given are

One consequence of how dreadful we’ve been is to make Luton look like they’ve really ‘given it a go’ and ‘done well but just missed out’. The truth is they’re probably going to get the lowest ever total for a side finishing 18th, haven’t managed to stay in touch until the last day, and would have been down with almost a month to go without points deductions.
All three promoted sides have been nowhere near the standard. We’ve just been unbelievably far away from it.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Could have told us last summer Don. Not that the owner listens.

 

[shorehamview]

Lets not insult the championship by suggesting our current team would even get in the top half of that league.

Utd and Burnley have been idiotically shit but for different reasons.

The Prem isn't the problem, clubs not properly using the huge amounts of money they've been given are

Our wage bill was apparently ten times that of Oxford United, who have made the playoffs in League One. It was also one tenth of that of Manchester City, who play in the same division we are expected to be competitive in. The ”huge” amounts of money given to us, Burnley and Luton pale into insignificance compared with the money the established Premier League teams are spending, and vanish like smoke in the wind compared to the vast amounts hosed around by higher teams like Man City and the like.

The fact that we’ve all got relegated shows the vast gulf in finances between the moneyed clubs and the hopeful optimists like us. You’ve got clubs owned by dodgy billionaires, rapacious hedge funds, and oil rich sportswashing countries with dodgier human rights than Mordor all spending vast swathes of cash that make us look like church mice.

Admittedly we’ve not made the best fist of it this season, but when you’ve got teams that can bring five established internationals on as substitutes and we’ve got the likes of Sam Curtis brought on for his debut, and Rhian Brewster coming on to try and avoid getting injured for fifteen minutes and you start to think it might not be a level playing field.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

One consequence of how dreadful we’ve been is to make Luton look like they’ve really ‘given it a go’ and ‘done well but just missed out’. The truth is they’re probably going to get the lowest ever total for a side finishing 18th, haven’t managed to stay in touch until the last day, and would have been down with almost a month to go without points deductions.
All three promoted sides have been nowhere near the standard. We’ve just been unbelievably far away from it.

Premier League 2023/24 relegation battle the worst in history - as damning stats highlight clear issue

Long gone are the days when 40 points are needed for survival in the Premier League

www.fourfourtwo.com

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Lets not insult the championship by suggesting our current team would even get in the top half of that league.

Utd and Burnley have been idiotically shit but for different reasons.

The Prem isn't the problem, clubs not properly using the huge amounts of money they've been given are

I have to disagree mate.
The amount of money you mention that little clubs like ours get is no where near what those already established get.
The PL product is sold and the people who want to buy, want to buy the best.
Therefore, teams who are now well-established and able to afford the best players in the world continue to attract the bulk of the tv money.
They are so far ahead it's unreal.

Estimated Premier League prize money and broadcasting revenue for 2022/23:

1. Manchester City – $210 million
2. Arsenal – $208 million
3. Manchester United – $205 million
4. Newcastle United – $202 million
5. Liverpool – $200 million
6. Brighton – $197 million
7. Aston Villa – $194 million
8. Tottenham Hotspur – $191 million
9. Brentford – $189 million
10. Fulham – $186 million
11. Crystal Palace – $183 million
12. Chelsea – $180 million
13. Wolves – $178 million
14. West Ham – $175 million
15. Bournemouth – $172 million
16. Nottingham Forest – $170 million
17. Everton – $167 million
18. Leicester – $164 million
19. Leeds – $161 million
20. Southampton $159 million

 

[Gimli]

Don Goodman outlines Burnley, Sheffield United, Luton evidence that Ipswich Town must learn from

Goodman believes the Tractor Boys must focus on building from the back before looking to their more advanced positions.

footballleagueworld.co.uk

With respect, I’m not reading Don Goodman

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Our wage bill was apparently ten times that of Oxford United, who have made the playoffs in League One. It was also one tenth of that of Manchester City, who play in the same division we are expected to be competitive in. The ”huge” amounts of money given to us, Burnley and Luton pale into insignificance compared with the money the established Premier League teams are spending, and vanish like smoke in the wind compared to the vast amounts hosed around by higher teams like Man City and the like.

The fact that we’ve all got relegated shows the vast gulf in finances between the moneyed clubs and the hopeful optimists like us. You’ve got clubs owned by dodgy billionaires, rapacious hedge funds, and oil rich sportswashing countries with dodgier human rights than Mordor all spending vast swathes of cash that make us look like church mice.

Admittedly we’ve not made the best fist of it this season, but when you’ve got teams that can bring five established internationals on as substitutes and we’ve got the likes of Sam Curtis brought on for his debut, and Rhian Brewster coming on to try and avoid getting injured for fifteen minutes and you start to think it might not be a level playing field.

Good post mate!

 

[Carlton Blade]

First time all 3 promoted teams from CH have gone back down the year after since 1997/98.

The gulf between top 3 CH and bottom 3 PL is only gonna get bigger over the next few years.

Good luck Ipswich.

United have taken 11 points from the teams below 12th. Forest stayed up last year by beating everyone around them.

I don't think the gap between the top of the Championship and the bottom 8 in the PL is as big as is made out

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

It's going to get more common but it'll need to happen a few times in a row before the PL acknowledge that maybe there's a problem let alone do anything to address it. Next year Leicester will stay up so that'll reset the clock.

The problem is that the Premier League's solution will be for the newly promoted teams to spend more, rather than the established clubs spend less. They'll relax FFP for newly promoted clubs to 5 years to encourage spending instead of introducing spending regulations and wage/salary caps.

Even then any proposed changes will be shot down because everything goes to a vote by league members, and they're not going to vote for shit to help anyone but themselves. "Increase FFP to 5 years to help newly promoted clubs have a chance of staying up. We stayed up last year by 5 points. We can't vote for that. VOTE NO."

The clubs hold all the power and that's why the league is flawed. It's a shit, corrupt, pompous, imbalanced, biased league high on the smell of it's own hype largely created by itself.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

First time all 3 promoted teams from CH have gone back down the year after since 1997/98.

The gulf between top 3 CH and bottom 3 PL is only gonna get bigger over the next few years.

Good luck Ipswich.

They’ll get annihilated next season , Leicester will survive , whoever gets out of the play offs also making a quick return

 

[mcbladeface]

Lets not insult the championship by suggesting our current team would even get in the top half of that league.

Utd and Burnley have been idiotically shit but for different reasons.

The Prem isn't the problem, clubs not properly using the huge amounts of money they've been given are

I'd argue that in the current premier league era, the 'huge amounts' of prize money we've received would barely be enough to improve a couple of positions to PL standard let alone an entire first team. Throw in improving squad depth to offset the inevitable injuries, upgrading training grounds to competitive levels and improving academies? A typical championship club would need the money of 3 or 4 PL promotions to afford it.

It's not an excuse, we've been absolutely diabolically shite and our recruitment laughable but at the same time, let's not pretend the PL isn't broken.

And it's going to get worse. Whatever we're calling the new system, the spending cap based on turnover is going to be ridiculous.

 

[ThatJa]

I'd argue that in the current premier league era, the 'huge amounts' of prize money we've received would barely be enough to improve a couple of positions to PL standard let alone an entire first team. Throw in improving squad depth to offset the inevitable injuries, upgrading training grounds to competitive levels and improving academies? A typical championship club would need the money of 3 or 4 PL promotions to afford it.

It's not an excuse, we've been absolutely diabolically shite and our recruitment laughable but at the same time, let's not pretend the PL isn't broken.

And it's going to get worse. Whatever we're calling the new system, the turnover proportion one, that's going to make it ridiculous.

Absolutely this.

Burnley spent 140-160mill and finished 1 place above us and will be playing in the same league next year in a worse financial situation because of the money they spend failing to stay up.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Absolutely this.

Burnley spent 140-160mill and finished 1 place above us and will be playing in the same league next year in a worse financial situation because of the money they spend failing to stay up.

How much have Forest spent to fight relegation two seasons in a row and nearly all of their players would get into our team, and arguably only Hamer could potentially get into theirs.

 

[ThatJa]

How much have Forest spent to fight relegation two seasons in a row and nearly all of their players would get into our team, and arguably only Hamer could potentially get into theirs.

Probably 10x more than we've spent, maybe more.

 

[UddersBlade]

Allowing newly promoted clubs to spend more money will eventually cause someone to go out of business. It will bankrupt someone when eventually promotion back from the Chamoionship to Premier League is missed ….. and it may have happened to us last year. I don’t think many of us truly realised how big a mess we were in!

I know it has been said for a few years, but eventually a club will just not be able to fund new investment to bail them out of a huge debt problem. The current Premier League structure is unsustainable.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

The championship last season was by Far the poorest wankest championship in history. And so it has been prooved. We were bang fucking average and pissed promotion. BUT I think Leicester will struggle big time But I do believe Ipswich will survive

Rubbish

 

[steve26272]

How much have Forest spent to fight relegation two seasons in a row and nearly all of their players would get into our team, and arguably only Hamer could potentially get into theirs.

Sobering thought

Arguably our best player in Hamer earns the same as Scott “cones out” Carson at Man City

That’s the gulf, our best player earns the same as 3rd choice goalie who played twice in 4 years

Our biggest outlay this season wouldn’t get you a quarter Anthony (not that I’d want a full one)

Until they find a way to level the playing field most teams going up are fucked

Even if they said said opposition have to play with 10 men we’d still get relegated

 

[Rodley]

Our wage bill was apparently ten times that of Oxford United, who have made the playoffs in League One. It was also one tenth of that of Manchester City, who play in the same division we are expected to be competitive in. The ”huge” amounts of money given to us, Burnley and Luton pale into insignificance compared with the money the established Premier League teams are spending, and vanish like smoke in the wind compared to the vast amounts hosed around by higher teams like Man City and the like.

The fact that we’ve all got relegated shows the vast gulf in finances between the moneyed clubs and the hopeful optimists like us. You’ve got clubs owned by dodgy billionaires, rapacious hedge funds, and oil rich sportswashing countries with dodgier human rights than Mordor all spending vast swathes of cash that make us look like church mice.

Admittedly we’ve not made the best fist of it this season, but when you’ve got teams that can bring five established internationals on as substitutes and we’ve got the likes of Sam Curtis brought on for his debut, and Rhian Brewster coming on to try and avoid getting injured for fifteen minutes and you start to think it might not be a level playing field.

The reality is it’s been an unusually shit set of teams that were promoted. We’re an absolute basket case, Burnley defend like an Under 11s team and their manager is hugely overrated. For Luton it’s just been too much, too soon as a club.

I’d expect next years crop to compete far more effectively.

 

[sjl]

As I said on another thread. If we want parity, we should hand back the parachute cash and show the championship we are all for equality. That’ll show the PL that we are bigger than them and their cheat money!!

 

[shorehamview]

The reality is it’s been an unusually shit set of teams that were promoted. We’re an absolute basket case, Burnley defend like an Under 11s team and their manager is hugely overrated. For Luton it’s just been too much, too soon as a club.

I’d expect next years crop to compete far more effectively.

Leicester might be okay, Ipswich will get properly dry bummed and if Norwich make it through the playoffs they’ll get it even harder than Ipswich. Southampton might be okay, and if it’s Leeds that go up then if there’s any justice in this world they’ll get a bigger hammering than a blind cobbler’s thumb.

 

[ThatJa]

As I said on another thread. If we want parity, we should hand back the parachute cash and show the championship we are all for equality. That’ll show the PL that we are bigger than them and their cheat money!!

This take is flawed.

Okay, we go up get 200m, spend 150m and increase our wage budget by 70%.

We go down, because 150m isn't enough money to spend and surviving.

We say no to PL for parachute payments, to make a stand.

We now have a 70% bigger wage budget, and 150m less and are playing in the league below. That would ruin most clubs.

 

[sjl]

This take is flawed.

Okay, we go up get 200m, spend 150m and increase our wage budget by 70%.

We go down, because 150m isn't enough money to spend and surviving.

We say no to PL for parachute payments, to make a stand.

We now have a 70% bigger wage budget, and 150m less and are playing in the league below. That would ruin most clubs.

But we didn’t. That’s why we’ve got an arsehole like a wizards sleeve.

 

[sjl]

And to make it worse, we got there with a striker we didn’t even make the payments for on time and now start on -2.

 

[mcbladeface]

This take is flawed.

Okay, we go up get 200m, spend 150m and increase our wage budget by 70%.

We go down, because 150m isn't enough money to spend and surviving.

We say no to PL for parachute payments, to make a stand.

We now have a 70% bigger wage budget, and 150m less and are playing in the league below. That would ruin most clubs.

This is true. Without the parachute payment, the gulf would not only be insurmountable but would be regularly killing clubs as well. I imagine the only people genuinely arguing for this are those that have never received them and, probably, call them "failure payments"