Time to go...

[blade too long]

dont want barca s manager losing 7-0 over 2 legs to some german team tip tap football gets you nowhere

 

[super_pig]

Back then eh? dummy firmly back in I assume?

yeah for a bit.. until you cause me spit it out again

 

[LSF]

Who me? naww!

 

[Pinchy]

“I feel as though, despite what’s happened here, in the three weeks or so we’ve been in that we’ve done well.”

Where? When?

Chris Morgan loses all grip on reality. I think he's headed the ball once too often.

Some of you want this man to carry on? I should be staggered and bewildered but I'm afraid I'm not. It's all too familiar. Parochial stupidity knows no bounds in S2.

It's the Bladesfans' Way.

 

[super_pig]

Who me? naww!

forgot to say.. sorry for being an arse. stressful business this being a blade

 

[HoodedClaw]

Thats the problem as soon as we get a new manager you will decide whether he is a 'hoof man' or a 'ball player'. How the fuck do you know what style Morgan would be ? Unfortunately fans like you have to tag a manager with a style and then think up a 'witty' nickname for him then he is labled with some of the easily leads. What about getting behind whoever is installed and stop scoring points against other fans with your lack of flexibilty.

I'm pretty sure I know what type of manager Morgs will be, and it's been more than evident over the few (although more than enough) games he's been in charge.

Let's just take yesterdays debacle, Yeovil have 2 slow giants as central defenders so what does Morgs do? puts 2 big guys up against them. Surely thats playing into their hands? Why not Have a Porter up top with say Murphy playing off, at least this way we might have had a better chance of winning the knock ons. We could have piut Flynn out on the wing.

Ah the wings, we all acknowledge we are a slow side so can someone please explain the ratinale behind putting wingers on the wrong wing. All this does is make us lose any slight impetus we may get. McFad beats his man legs it down the wing only to have to stop to cut back onto his non standing leg to attempt to cross the ball, by which time defenders have closed him down and picked up the players in the box. I'm sorry but if Morgs had anything about him he would at least have tried them on their "right "wings.

The two examples above show me that, unfortunately, Morgs is not the man for us at this time.

Straight from the hip Sitters and spot on (as ever).

What pisses me off about the judges on here is how they quickly reach a conclusion about managers, players, styles and a host of other issues I can't be arsed to go through.
Chris Morgan may or may not turn out to be a successful manager, but I'm sure his enforced short tenure with SUFC isn't the all qualifying judgement on this issue.
How the fuck some can reach this conclusion after 5 or 6 games in a pressure situation is beyond me.
This much I know -

• He was a whole hearted and committed player - not an ingredient to make a successful manager.
• He played professional football for 15 or so years - This would suggest he's played under several managers, most of whom would have varying views and opinions of how a game should be won.
• He's got all his required coaching badges - This could suggest he's been through all the various scenarios to help him understand what it takes to communicate ideas he's picked up on the way in gaining these badges.
• He has a desire to manage at professional level and has cut his teeth on our U 21 team.
• I'm guessing here - he has some considerable motivational qualities.
• He knows the club after 8 or 9 years employment, most of it, save the first two years, on a downward spiral.
• He's relatively cheap compared to someone else coming in with a 'better' track record. (Morgan hardly has any track record to be judged on yet)

This much I can give an opinion on - If Morgs gets the job, we won't be hoof, we won't be tip tap , ponderous and boring. What we will be is something of a mix, long ball when it suits, ball to feet on occasions, quick break from defending at times, difficult to break down at all times.
The above paragraph is what the majority of managers strive for in the teams they select to win a game, whether or not it pans out like that can depend on a multitude of factors and incidents/situations that occur during a game.

In short - I think Morgan is worth a gamble, the real issue is the squad of players he is allowed to assemble next season - regardless of who our manager is, that is the key!

I appreciate that this is what all managers strive for but can you tell me on what basis you feel Morgs underlying philosophy won't be one of "hoof"?

Wiuth the assumption that those said players are going to be released, i'm looking forward to how McCabe is going to swindle us being on the 65% threshold again next season.

Even more excuses next season as It's going to be 60%.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html

 

[LSF]

"I appreciate that this is what all managers strive for but can you tell me on what basis you feel Morgs underlying philosophy won't be one of "hoof"?"

How can we possibly know what his philosophy will be if he gets the job.

I know that he had to choose a strategy with the players he had at his disposal with a goal of getting us out of the division. Whether you see that as him having hoof (a pretty shit term if you ask me) as his philosophy is up to you.
I can't for the life of me know how he will turn out, but as I said in my previous post, I don't believe any manager sticks to long ball, short passing or whatever, that's just a perception of some fans.

 

[Darren]

"I appreciate that this is what all managers strive for but can you tell me on what basis you feel Morgs underlying philosophy won't be one of "hoof"?"

How can we possibly know what his philosophy will be if he gets the job.

I know that he had to choose a strategy with the players he had at his disposal with a goal of getting us out of the division. Whether you see that as him having hoof (a pretty shit term if you ask me) as his philosophy is up to you.
I can't for the life of me know how he will turn out, but as I said in my previous post, I don't believe any manager sticks to long ball, short passing or whatever, that's just a perception of some fans.

As has been pointed out, in his 7 games as manager Morgan's record - after his first game - was abysmal. He also hasn't pulled up any trees managing the reserves/under 21's. Why on earth should we give him his first managerial job?

 

[JohnDenver]

Why on earth should we give him his first managerial job?

Because he's someone McCabe has heard of?

 

[BerksBlade]

I really don't understand this fascination some people have with playing the kids. Comments like "stick the youths in" and "the fans would give the kids more time". Why?

Fuck that. If you're so keen to see the kids play, go and watch the academy. I've paid for a season ticket to watch the grown-ups play. Footballers who can do things that I or the next bloke can't. I'm not talking about try really, really hard. I mean a bit of skill, or a creative pass. I can't care less how hard they try, as long as its hard enough to beat whoever we're playing. Ability, that's what it requires.

I want us to sign some footballers. Not kids with passion, adults with ability and talent. Enough ability and talent to get us out of this bag of shit, fucking wank division, please. Not Robson, whose legs don't do what his brain wants, not Higginbotham who can't run or position himself correctlyany more, proper footballers who, together, will make a proper team.

Today was wank, not because of lack of effort, or passion, but ability. The players we had tried hard but weren't good enough. Weren't good enough to beat fucking Yeovil for fuck's sake.

Ironside is one of the kids that many have been clamouring for us to "chuck in". To me, he doesn't look like he'll ever score. He should have put that header in which, granted had been given as off-side, but I think that's the first time I've seen him manage to actually get a shot off, and still it didn't beat the keeper. Usually it takes him two or three touches to line himself up, by which time a defender has conveniently positioned himself between the ball and the net. But never mind, hey? He's young and he does try very hard. Lets build a team around the likes of him...

No, let's get a real manager in, not some youth team coach, or someone who crops up because they played for someone once, and build a team of footballers with talent and ability. We had some good foundations, but we sold them for a quick buck or to make a few savings. Good move!

Nail. On head.

 

[Pinchy]

As has been pointed out, in his 8 games as manager Morgan's record - after his first game - was abysmal. He also hasn't pulled up any trees managing the reserves/under 21's. Why on earth should we give him his first managerial job?

Precisely. One can only think its because he's "a Blade" and, of course, that has always stood us in good stead in the past hasn't it?.........

The truth is, his tenure has produced relegation form - that's plain.

Consider this: If all 92 League Clubs had a managerial vacancy tomorrow, I'd have a confident wager that only one would even consider Morgan for their job. Why on Earth should they? Why on Earth should we? Is there life beyond our own back yard in Sheffield? No answers required, by the way; the questions are entirely rhetorical.

 

[Pinchy]

Nail. On head.

Absolutely. Latters post should be framed and placed on the boardroom table at BL. It should be read out loud 3 times a day to the "Upanatem" Brigade until they finally get the point. It should be adopted as this site's Mission Statement.

If I could award it a thousand likes, I would.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Signing good players costs money. We don't have money so any players we sign will be shite, that is a fact, when was the last time we signed anyone decent? The products of the youth team don't cost us owt we're not already paying and could possibly be a diamond. A thousand times better than a 30 odd year old who we've got on a free transfer.

Shaun Miller seemed decent.

 

[Selly]

Because he's someone McCabe has heard of?

No, thats why he will get it, not why he should get it...

 

[LSF]

As has been pointed out, in his 7 games as manager Morgan's record - after his first game - was abysmal. He also hasn't pulled up any trees managing the reserves/under 21's. Why on earth should we give him his first managerial job?

Abysmal? hmmm, a tad harsh but you are entitled to that view.
As for his U21/reserve record, paying attention to that is hardly relevant in my opinion.

I believe he is a risk but not because of his 'record' as you quote, but because he hasn't got one to be worthy of consideration.
A bit like MK Dons appointing Karl Robinson or Oldham appointing Lee Johnson.

 

[Guesty]

“I feel as though, despite what’s happened here, in the three weeks or so we’ve been in that we’ve done well.”

Where? When?

Chris Morgan loses all grip on reality. I think he's headed the ball once too often.

Some of you want this man to carry on? I should be staggered and bewildered but I'm afraid I'm not. It's all too familiar. Parochial stupidity knows no bounds in S2.

It's the Bladesfans' Way.

See also: The assertion that we only need 2 or 3 signings. Of course as others have suggested that could just be his funny little way of showing McCabe that he is his man and won't mind not being backed by the Chairman.

 

[Kenilworth]

Consider this: If all 92 League Clubs had a managerial vacancy tomorrow, I'd have a confident wager that only one would even consider Morgan for their job. Why on Earth should they? Why on Earth should we? Is there life beyond our own back yard in Sheffield? No answers required, by the way; the questions are entirely rhetorical.

Has he been speaking to the Dingle chairman then as well, like?

 

[super_pig]

Shaun Miller seemed decent.

actually Wilson wouldn't play Miller for ages until fan pressure and injuries forced his hand

 

[Darren]

Abysmal? hmmm, a tad harsh but you are entitled to that view.
As for his U21/reserve record, paying attention to that is hardly relevant in my opinion.

I believe he is a risk but not because of his 'record' as you quote, but because he hasn't got one to be worthy of consideration.
A bit like MK Dons appointing Karl Robinson or Oldham appointing Lee Johnson.

Well how else can you judge him as a manager other than on his managerial record?

As someone else pointed out, in his 7 games in charge he managed to acheive relegation form with the players who, under Wilson, had hovered between automatic promotion and the play offs. I also don't see how his more long term record managing players is not relevant.

Put it this way, what qualities does he have that you think would make him a good manager?

 

[oldblade]

Abysmal? hmmm, a tad harsh but you are entitled to that view.
As for his U21/reserve record, paying attention to that is hardly relevant in my opinion.

I believe he is a risk but not because of his 'record' as you quote, but because he hasn't got one to be worthy of consideration.
A bit like MK Dons appointing Karl Robinson or Oldham appointing Lee Johnson.

Morgan's record was P7 W2 D2 L3 F5 A8. We failed to score a single goal in any of our 3 away matches and lost all 3. Maybe 'abysmal' is slightly harsh, but only just. With a squad of players that had only lost 7 matches all season and was challenging for an automatic slot it is certainly a poor return.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Thats the problem as soon as we get a new manager you will decide whether he is a 'hoof man' or a 'ball player'. How the fuck do you know what style Morgan would be ? Unfortunately fans like you have to tag a manager with a style and then think up a 'witty' nickname for him then he is labled with some of the easily leads. What about getting behind whoever is installed and stop scoring points against other fans with your lack of flexibilty.

Surely Bryan Robson is a perfect example, his playing style and the way his teams played couldn't have been further apart.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Well how else can you judge him as a manager other than on his managerial record?

As someone else pointed out, in his 7 games in charge he managed to acheive relegation form with the players who, under Wilson, had hovered between automatic promotion and the play offs. I also don't see how his more long term record managing players is not relevant.

Put it this way, what qualities does he have that you think would make him a good manager?

Morgan was the right man at the time. Perhaps Neil, but both needed a bonus for promotion and no offers of the next season. One good decision made by Big Blade.

We didn't have time to recruit the new manager who no doubt would have wanted a 2/3 year deal.

Can Big Blade finally get us someone who gives us hope?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Surely Bryan Robson is a perfect example, his playing style and the way his teams played couldn't have been further apart.

Robson was a perfect example of who not to have as manager.

Pity McC didn't pop into the car park and ask a couple of passing fans their opinions, could have saved himself so much cash and shit.

 

[LSF]

Put it this way, what qualities does he have that you think would make him a good manager?

Darren, read my original post (58) for an answer to that. In summary, he may or may not make a good manager, but judging him on the meagre stats produced so far is hardly a fair and conclusive judgement, despite the facts you derive from it.

 

[Darren]

Darren, read my original post (58) for an answer to that. In summary, he may or may not make a good manager, but judging him on the meagre stats produced so far is hardly a fair and conclusive judgement, despite the facts you derive from it.

So, in summary, he was a decent player for us, he's been at the club a long time, he's cheap and he has his coaching badges

I don't see any of those as remotely good reasons as to why we should appoint him. Incidentally, the following have been the people to whom we gave their first managerial jobs (caretakers not included):

Joe Mercer (relegated 1956 and failed to get promotion in the following 2 seasons before buggering off to Villa)
Arthur Rowley (a disappointing 9th place finish in the 2nd tier the season after relegation before he was sacked)
Martin Peters (relegated 1981)
Billy McEwan (relegated 1988 after he resigned)
Nigel Spackman (early promise but then resigned in a huff)
Steve Bruce (one mediocre season and then buggered off to Huddersfield)
Gary Speed (3 months in charge sees us flirting with relegation then he buggers off to the Welsh job. We are relegated at the end of the season).

S0 4 of those 7 managers were were wholly or partially involved in relegations and none has got us promoted. There may be a lesson there.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So, in summary, he was a decent player for us, he's been at the club a long time, he's cheap and he has his coaching badges

I don't see any of those as remotely good reasons as to why we should appoint him. Incidentally, the following have been the people to whom we gave their first managerial jobs (caretakers not included):

Joe Mercer (relegated 1956 and failed to get promotion in the following 2 seasons before buggering off to Villa)
Arthur Rowley (a disappointing 9th place finish in the 2nd tier the season after relegation before he was sacked)
Martin Peters (relegated 1981)
Billy McEwan (relegated 1988 after he resigned)
Nigel Spackman (early promise but then resigned in a huff)
Steve Bruce (one mediocre season and then buggered off to Huddersfield)
Gary Speed (3 months in charge sees us flirting with relegation then he buggers off to the Welsh job. We are relegated at the end of the season).

S0 4 of those 7 managers were were wholly or partially involved in relegations and none has got us promoted. There may be a lesson there.

Are you there McC, have you read this?

 

[Pinchy]

So, in summary, he was a decent player for us, he's been at the club a long time, he's cheap and he has his coaching badges

I don't see any of those as remotely good reasons as to why we should appoint him. Incidentally, the following have been the people to whom we gave their first managerial jobs (caretakers not included):

Joe Mercer (relegated 1956 and failed to get promotion in the following 2 seasons before buggering off to Villa)
Arthur Rowley (a disappointing 9th place finish in the 2nd tier the season after relegation before he was sacked)
Martin Peters (relegated 1981)
Billy McEwan (relegated 1988 after he resigned)
Nigel Spackman (early promise but then resigned in a huff)
Steve Bruce (one mediocre season and then buggered off to Huddersfield)
Gary Speed (3 months in charge sees us flirting with relegation then he buggers off to the Welsh job. We are relegated at the end of the season).

S0 4 of those 7 managers were were wholly or partially involved in relegations and none has got us promoted. There may be a lesson there.

I think Arthur Rowley was manager of Shrewsbury?

I don't always agree with LSF but he usually has better arguments than this one. The idea of appointing an individual as manager because we have no idea whether he'll be any good or not is a novel one. It certainly provides a wide range of candidates!

I should add that, speaking for myself, I have seen and heard more than sufficient to have a definite view about Manager Morgan.

 

[Darren]

I think Arthur Rowley was manager of Shrewsbury?

I don't always agree with LSF but he usually has better arguments than this one. The idea of appointing an individual as manager because we have no idea whether he'll be any good or not is a novel one. It certainly provides a wide range of candidates!

I should add that, speaking for myself, I have seen and heard more than sufficient to have a definite view about Manager Morgan.

Yes, you're right about Rowley - 10 years at Shrewsbury apparently, which brings the the number of novice managers being involved in relegations to 4 out of 6.

I assume you are using the word "novel" in the judicial sense to mean "completely insane"

 

[Fiery Blade]

McCabe seems intent on surrounding himself with numpties - why should he change now?

Perhaps by surrounding yourself with no marks and inadequacy you then appear to be a top man - sorry Mr McCabe - you've been rumbled!

 

[LSF]

So, in summary, he was a decent player for us, he's been at the club a long time, he's cheap and he has his coaching badges

I don't see any of those as remotely good reasons as to why we should appoint him. Incidentally, the following have been the people to whom we gave their first managerial jobs (caretakers not included):

Joe Mercer (relegated 1956 and failed to get promotion in the following 2 seasons before buggering off to Villa)
Arthur Rowley (a disappointing 9th place finish in the 2nd tier the season after relegation before he was sacked)
Martin Peters (relegated 1981)
Billy McEwan (relegated 1988 after he resigned)
Nigel Spackman (early promise but then resigned in a huff)
Steve Bruce (one mediocre season and then buggered off to Huddersfield)
Gary Speed (3 months in charge sees us flirting with relegation then he buggers off to the Welsh job. We are relegated at the end of the season).

S0 4 of those 7 managers were were wholly or partially involved in relegations and none has got us promoted. There may be a lesson there.

Interesting stats and gives weight to your argument obviously. However in your opening summary, I'd discount the 'decent player' bit, the second one could be a disadvantage in some ways and the other two will be attractive to Kevin McCabe no doubt
To get to my point about Morgan and answer Pinchy's amusing response, I guess it's just a gut feeling that he'd be as good as anyone with better credentials for us. As it's often been mentioned before, the manager isn't the problem, more the tools he's been given to work with by KM.
Whether it be rookie Morgan or expert Mourinho, the players allowed to be brought in is more pertinent to relative success.
The players this season were just not up to the task in hand and sacking Danny Wilson was a last desperate throw by a desperate owner. Chris Morgan was handed a crock of shite and failed, but I have a hunch that given a fair crack of the whip he may well do better than a lot on here seem to think.