Lowton , pure class

[Bladesway]

I think it's a shame that, on a page congratulating one of our own for a scintillating performance at full back, where he skinned someone every time he got the ball and set up a goal, could be future England and has almost capped a very good season, the first post in reply to OP criticises United.

I expect it from metalblade or Micalijo but must we all do the same?

Well if it wasn't so bloody frustrating that an England back 4 could be made from our former players we wouldn't have to do it. What the hell do you want? Well done McCabe you sold a future England full back for beans again. Perhaps you can sit there and revel in how bloody awful we are while our best players piss off for beans. I cannot.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

You keep saying this, and I hope you are right, but there are outliers (parachute payment funded Wolves are providing a great example in the tier above), and the way this club is run makes me worry that this decline will get worse.

Further, we can pay our players more, but that does not mean we will do so.

I might add that many of the points you cite were also true at the start of 1980-1.

We need to know what wages are in the prem to put this to bed.

Say div 3 pays 3-15K
Div 2 pays 5-25K [excluding clubs with parachute payments and players on prem wages]
Prem pays what? Who knows?

If its 25K to infinity then even our big earners don't lose out but would need a pay rise to move.
Average earners or youths with potential [2xKyles and Lowton] would be fools to turn down a 10K a week pay rise.
Clubs have no say when agents tell their clients that they can get them a 3 year deal worth £1/2M/Yr extra.

Keep saying it and no one has said they would but who'd turn down £1.5M?

 

[Darren]

We need to know what wages are in the prem to put this to bed.

Say div 3 pays 3-15K
Div 2 pays 5-25K [excluding clubs with parachute payments and players on prem wages]
Prem pays what? Who knows?

If its 25K to infinity then even our big earners don't lose out but would need a pay rise to move.
Average earners or youths with potential [2xKyles and Lowton] would be fools to turn down a 10K a week pay rise.
Clubs have no say when agents tell their clients that they can get them a 3 year deal worth £1/2M/Yr extra.

Keep saying it and no one has said they would but who'd turn down £1.5M?

There you go:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ier-League-wages-FIVE-times-Championship.html

In 2009-10, the average third tier wage was £1410 per week. The average PL wage was £22,353, some 16 times higher. I doubt the differential has got smaller in the 3 seasons since.

 

[Balham]

And Balham, some good points, but if you think Lowton would not have played better, and increased his value, this season than last given the way he's played in the PL...well, I despair.

Despair away then Rev. This side isn;t as good as last year's and as football is a team game it would have been easier for opposition sides to double up on Lowton as we don't have the same threat across the pitch that we had last year. DazBlade88 nails it, Lowton has improved dramatically playing with and against better players, something we wouldn't have been able to offer him.

Look, what this comes down to is that the way we are doing things - selling the family silver at the earliest opportunity is not working. It is detrimental to the club. The league table is proof of this. We need to find another way, or it's hello league 2 sooner or later.

The problem at United is that we have to sell the family silver to pay off Grandad's debts. One nonsensical decision - appointing Bryan Robson as manager - is the sole reason we're in the mess we are.

I don't know if we'll slip as far as League 2; I think this season will be a financial turning point with the expenditure coming under control which should in turn reduce the reliance on player sales to keep afloat.

 

[Revolution]

Our owner pursued the PL and West Ham through legal processes that many people said would fail. He created history, in a sense, as no financial award had been made like that between 2 clubs before.

This took guts and money. It involved complex legal arguments.

And yet this same man can't hold a player to a contract? Can't report an agent or a club for tapping up?

Pull the other one.

 

[Darren]

Our owner pursued the PL and West Ham through legal processes that many people said would fail. He created history, in a sense, as no financial award had been made like that between 2 clubs before.

This took guts and money. It involved complex legal arguments.

And yet this same man can't hold a player to a contract? Can't report an agent or a club for tapping up?

Pull the other one.

Doesn't that just raise the question as to why, if McCabe can do the difficult thing you mention, why he doesn't do the easy thing you mention. Surely he's not more scared of Lowton, Walker, Naughton etc and their agents, than he is of WHU and the PL?

What's your view? Genuine question by the way.

 

[raul]

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/lowton-to-villa-£3m.27428/

I haven't got the time to look through all 17 pages of this but from the first couple of pages it seems that the general impression is that we'd done extremely well to get £3m for Lowton.

.

That's because, at the time, the majority of which you speak were still sufficiently on message to justify yet another "excellent bit of business by the club".

A year on, and a significant number have woken up.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

There you go:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ier-League-wages-FIVE-times-Championship.html

In 2009-10, the average third tier wage was £1410 per week. The average PL wage was £22,353, some 16 times higher. I doubt the differential has got smaller in the 3 seasons since.

Keep saying it find me a Blade who would turn down a contract with the pigs that paid them £3.4M.


Offered that sort of money in an industry that will drop you by the wayside or your career could be over tomorrow with a bad injury can’t blame them for going nor can I blame clubs for not keeping them.
‘See out your contract son, you’re going nowhere’ is the quick route to relegation.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Lowton did play well last night. I've seen him on TV a few times this season and he's looked just as he did for us - good going forward but very average at defending (often caught out of of position and without the pace to recover). Sunderland were shocking and did not test Villa's defence - but in most other matches I've seen Villa's defending has been woeful. Lowton is far better than the full backs we have now of course but he's no Kyle Walker.

 

[Dog Blade]

Keep saying it find me a Blade who would turn down a contract with the pigs that paid them £3.4M.


Offered that sort of money in an industry that will drop you by the wayside or your career could be over tomorrow with a bad injury can’t blame them for going nor can I blame clubs for not keeping them.
‘See out your contract son, you’re going nowhere’ is the quick route to relegation.

And that's how it works GB, you talk sense. The contracts aren't really worth anything when a player can go and sign elsewhere and guarnatee his future / life.

Stay and fight it out in Div III..... or take a massive signing on fee, a chance to play in the highest league at a club that is currently huge compared to your current one, oh and guarantee your financial future...

Add an agent (and parents) on your shoulder and find me someone that would want to stay and take a very big gamble?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

And that's how it works GB, you talk sense. The contracts aren't really worth anything when a player can go and sign elsewhere and guarnatee his future / life.

Stay and fight it out in Div III..... or take a massive signing on fee, a chance to play in the highest league at a club that is currently huge compared to your current one, oh and guarantee your financial future...

Add an agent (and parents) on your shoulder and find me someone that would want to stay and take a very big gamble?

What about a woman?

 

[blade too long]

Well done McCabe you sold a future England full back for beans again. Perhaps you can sit there and revel in how bloody awful we are while our best players piss off for beans.

Again scapegoating a man who said 4 years ago he wanted to stop funding but would stay only to keep us from admin, , blame blame and blame again , but he openly and honestly said hed finished , its the lack of takers we should bemoan, but he is an easy target, however we cant force him to spend if he doesnt want to , this misguided idea hes screwing us really annoys me , what part of I want to sell did you miss

 

[raul]

I want to sell my house for multiples of what I paid for it because I built a hotel in the garden, which I'm keeping, along with the house, but you can still buy the furnishings in it if you want.

Deal?

 

[Balham]

That's because, at the time, the majority of which you speak were still sufficiently on message to justify yet another "excellent bit of business by the club".

A year on, and a significant number have woken up.

I've been awake all along Raulito. I hate that we have to sell the best players we have to service the debts which have been run up through some shocking mismanagement on the football side but the fact is that we do have to sell on a regular basis.

If I had a time machine, I'd nip back to the spring of 2007 and shoot Bryan Robson, thus preventing him from taking over at the Lane and solving all of our problems.

 

[anglian blade]

Jordan Rhodes is a good example of holding out for what you think a player is worth.

Jordon Rhodes is not a good example if yo u are an Ipswich supporter

 

[Darren]

I've been awake all along Raulito. I hate that we have to sell the best players we have to service the debts which have been run up through some shocking mismanagement on the football side but the fact is that we do have to sell on a regular basis.

If I had a time machine, I'd nip back to the spring of 2007 and shoot Bryan Robson, thus preventing him from taking over at the Lane and solving all of our problems.

That reminds me that in 2007-08 we could choose our strike force from any two of

James Beattie
Billy Sharp
Rob Hulse
Luton Shelton
Danny Webber
Jon Stead
Geoff Horsfield

How did we not get promoted?

 

[JohnDenver]

James Beattie - Wrong alloys
Billy Sharp - Misused
Rob Hulse - Crocked
Luton Shelton - Useless
Danny Webber - Past it
Jon Stead - Underused
Geoff Horsfield - Past it

How did we not get promoted?

I could answer in a single word, but have this instead.

 

[Guesty]

That reminds me that in 2007-08 we could choose our strike force from any two of

James Beattie
Billy Sharp
Rob Hulse
Luton Shelton
Danny Webber
Jon Stead
Geoff Horsfield

How did we not get promoted?

Well looking purely at the strikers, Shelton, Webber and Horsfield were garbage, Hulse was shot physically post leg-break and Sharp has never done it for us. That leaves just two and I seem to remember Stead was persona non grata with the management for a while there.

Edit: Aye what JD said

 

[Latters]

Keep saying it find me a Blade who would turn down a contract with the pigs that paid them £3.4M.


Offered that sort of money in an industry that will drop you by the wayside or your career could be over tomorrow with a bad injury can’t blame them for going nor can I blame clubs for not keeping them.
‘See out your contract son, you’re going nowhere’ is the quick route to relegation.

Nobody is saying they would reject it if it was offered, but if the bid is turned down by the club in the first place, then you don't get the opportunity to reject it because the contract offer isn't there.

 

[blade too long]

I want to sell my house for multiples of what I paid for it because I built a hotel in the garden, which I'm keeping, along with the house, but you can still buy the furnishings in it if you want.

Deal?

deluded, any sale would include all assetts , nothing to sell otherwise
if he wants to recoup 50 million as is oft quoted hes not going to get close selling on a lease basis plus Doyle thrown in
think about , what can he sell, the club , , thats nothing without the ground

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Our owner pursued the PL and West Ham through legal processes that many people said would fail. He created history, in a sense, as no financial award had been made like that between 2 clubs before.

This took guts and money. It involved complex legal arguments.

And yet this same man can't hold a player to a contract? Can't report an agent or a club for tapping up?

Pull the other one.

Doesn't that just raise the question as to why, if McCabe can do the difficult thing you mention, why he doesn't do the easy thing you mention. Surely he's not more scared of Lowton, Walker, Naughton etc and their agents, than he is of WHU and the PL?

What's your view? Genuine question by the way.

Because he's quite happy to take the money on offer and blame the player and his agent.
Regardless of how it effects the team and the manager and the stated aims of the club.
No thought for whether a bigger offer might be received further down the line.
Short-term gain outweighs long-term planning every time.

Or were you looking for a less obvious answer than that? ;-)

 

[Darren]

Because he's quite happy to take the money on offer and blame the player and his agent.
Regardless of how it effects the team and the manager and the stated aims of the club.
No thought for whether a bigger offer might be received further down the line.
Short-term gain outweighs long-term planning every time.

Or were you looking for a less obvious answer than that? ;-)

Well if that;s the case one wonders how he ever made £20, never mind the £xx million he did make....

 

[Longtime Blade]

Watched the Villa destroy Sunderland last night 6-1 (now theres a club that had a long spell of not scoring this season too ) and got to say Lowton looks pure class , hes adapted brilliantly and is a shoe in for an England place in the near future.
Best of luck to the lad

 

[Longtime Blade]

Watched the Villa destroy Sunderland last night 6-1 (now theres a club that had a long spell of not scoring this season too ) and got to say Lowton looks pure class , hes adapted brilliantly and is a shoe in for an England place in the near future.
Best of luck to the lad

What hit me the hardest was the commentator saying that "just a year ago Lowton was playing at a much lower level - for Sheffield United against Stevenage".

I'm a bit surprised that no other contributor has refereed to that.

 

[Kev Gee]

I wish people would stop blaming Bryan Robson for were we are now.
Weve had lots of chances to arrest the slide & fucked it up everytime.
The blame lies firmly with Kevin McCabe. Hes the one who constantly sells our better players.

Anyway unto Lowton.
A quality player who i said was justified in the £3M bracket at the time.
Glad the lads done well.

 

[judge]

What hit me the hardest was the commentator saying that "just a year ago Lowton was playing at a much lower level - for Sheffield United against Stevenage".

I'm a bit surprised that no other contributor has refereed to that.

i was going to referee to it but i got so confused by trying to work out what it meant i wet my self

 

[Longtime Blade]

i was going to referee to it but i got so confused by trying to work out what it meant i wet my self

You could have kept your pants dry by using a bit of common sense; it's obviously an uncorrected spelling error. Did
it occur to you to change your pants or did you just sit in them until they were dry?

 

[Bladesway]

Again scapegoating a man who said 4 years ago he wanted to stop funding but would stay only to keep us from admin, , blame blame and blame again , but he openly and honestly said hed finished , its the lack of takers we should bemoan, but he is an easy target, however we cant force him to spend if he doesnt want to , this misguided idea hes screwing us really annoys me , what part of I want to sell did you miss

Oh for fucks sake listen to that. Poor old Kev, he wants to sell but its a stupid price. He bought it, made it good but then fucked it up, but ue wants the same price as when it was good, with whistles and bells.

Raul smacked the nail on the head but still McCabes apologists cling to the woodwork. You will be telling me next he is having to claim benefits because he is so poor and spent all his money on us.

 

[Bladesway]

i was going to referee to it but i got so confused by trying to work out what it meant i wet my self

When its not about Warnock, your a funny man

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

We as a club have never had a board that invested, ever, the knocking down of the old John St stand showed how little all members put in as it took an embarrassing length of time to kick start it .
We had one 1 million pound buy who lasted 8 minutes or so that petrified the board so much we never bought another. Our previous big buy was Guthrie , who likewise lasted 8 minutes before we realised he was shit.
Mccabe HAD put up more than most, but has been sat in the departure lounge waiting for a flight out of here for some time, so we are a club treading water until , some russian or sheik gives us wheel barrows full of money to throw at players, and until then we will continue to put our players on ebay to keep us solvent.

You generous clapper you