If we were to sack Hecky

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jono_t2000 said:
What site you using for managerial stats?
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Wikipedia,🤣 search for a manager, look for their 'Managerial Statistics'. Divide the total of the L column by the total of the P column gives you their Loss Ratio.

Here's Gerrard's stats. 47/244 = 0.192 or 19%.

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When he worked on Sky, Liam Rosenior always really impressed me with his knowledge and thorough research on teams. I remember when we were promoted to the Championship and most pundits had absolutely no idea who we were or what we were about, but this bloke nailed it. Always spoke really well as a pundit. Steadied a ship at Derby and doing well with Hull, albeit with a much less talented squad, but nothing that Hecky didn't do in that league. Would be a monumental step up.

Graham Potter would be the number 1 but can't ever see it unless he takes some serious knocks at his next gig.

Hassenhutl would be next for the Premier League experience, but there's just that one memory I can't shake of that man. Dropping to his knees crying after beating Liverpool 1-0 at home.... Call it passion, call it relief, call it a plan they worked on relentlessly in training working out but I just found it so bizarre. They went on to get beat by Leicester, Arsenal, Villa and then got pumped 9-0 by Manchester United in the 4 league games after that and finished 15th.

I'm still in the keep Hecky camp, but the lad is starting to piss me off a bit.
 
Heres the thing.

Potter has had some very talented players and managed them well, but what experience has HE got of actually recruiting and scouting players.

His biggest success was obviously Brighton, but as I understand it the managers/coach have little input on who comes in and work with what they’re given, and they’ve been given some top players last 3 years. I can excuse Chelsea as it was a basket case.

Same could be said for Ralph.

Compare that to the United way of doing transfers. We try to copy their way by finding players just before they hit the big time, but for some reason seem absolutely shit at it when a fee is involved. Our history and status at academy level sees us get some good players released by the big boys, but when it comes to finding players ready now and needed to take us to the next level we are frankly hopeless, and the current owner and board cannot do what Brighton/Brentford etc do for their playing staff.

We still need someone to come in and take control from their hands because it’s looking like we are going to have a 100% fail rate on those they signed this summer gone.
 
jt64 said:
I wouldn't give the slightest shit about that. At a well run club, that's not the manager's primary job
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And so you’d see him arrive here and fail.
We are far from being a well run club, and until there is a complete change at the top it would be a waste of time.

If we want a top manager we need to do that at the same time as getting the top of the club sorted first…like Howe at Newcastle.
He’s have been nowhere near if he was working for their previous regime
 
Success starts at the top and then works downwards obviously. I cant see anything changing only a downward spiral with this useless owner & board until they clear off, this season is done for me unless a miracle happens. If these twats are still here then more pain is guaranteed next season and we might be in another relegation battle again. As for Hecky might as well keep him, no fuckers going to alter this shit show. My honest opinion about him is he's way out of his depth at this level.
 
Grizzly blade said:
And so you’d see him arrive here and fail.
We are far from being a well run club, and until there is a complete change at the top it would be a waste of time.

If we want a top manager we need to do that at the same time as getting the top of the club sorted first…like Howe at Newcastle.
He’s have been nowhere near if he was working for their previous regime
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TJ blade said:
Success starts at the top and then works downwards obviously. I cant see anything changing only a downward spiral with this useless owner & board until they clear off, this season is done for me unless a miracle happens. If these twats are still here then more pain is guaranteed next season and we might be in another relegation battle again. As for Hecky might as well keep him, no fuckers going to alter this shit show. My honest opinion about him is he's way out of his depth at this level.
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100%!!!

It doesn't matter what manager we have if we have no money and a board that needs to be gone.

Absolutely pointless sacking Hecky aswell.
 
If we were to sack Hecky then his replacement would be sacked by the end of October 2024 after a lackluster start to our 2024/25 Championship campaign having had to sell our rising stars in the summer. We'd then be looking for somebody to steady the ship, like Hecky so that we don't end up in League 1 with Wednesday.
 
Not on the list but Carrick for me, he'd come with the right offer. And he'd make a good fist of saving us. If not he'd be good for the Championship next year.
 
Southgates style would fit right in. 5 at the back at home playing boring drab sideways passes.

Get him in!
 

Constantly Optimistic... said:
Not on the list but Carrick for me, he'd come with the right offer. And he'd make a good fist of saving us. If not he'd be good for the Championship next year.
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Lost 30% of his games in charge. Same as Potter. Trouble is, he's only managed for a couple of years. Big risk appointment IMO.
 
jono_t2000 said:
Southgates style would fit right in. 5 at the back at home playing boring drab sideways passes.

Get him in!
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i think thats another good point youve mentioned there not only does 5 at the back leave us woefully short in midfield a back 4 with 2 midfield protectors would cut this nonsense out and makes us play the ball forward more
 
Nick Jansky said:
There isn’t an appointment that would be possible for us to make that doesn’t come with a lot of risk.
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Assuming the club stays in the hands of the current owner, and the Board decide to change the management team, I think you're right. On the other hand, new owner(s) would presumably mean more money so, a manager with a better Loss Ratio could be possible.

As with so many things in life, timing is key. If the board doesn't twist now (history suggests that this is the time in a season when they would) then IMO Hecky stays for the remained of his contract, at least. If, OTOH, they twist and go for a new management team now, then we're stuck with the current players and the calibre of manager would need to be MUCH higher than the likes of Potter, to get a significant enough tune out of the players to stave off relegation. If survival is the objective, even substantial changes to the playing staff, in the JTW, would be a tough ask for any manager, be they new or old.

Bottom line is, we're unlikely to survive. We don't look like being sold early enough to bring in someone good enough, in time to survive. If we're destined to go down, we're even more unlikely to attract a manager that's a genuine, marked improvement over Hecky. May as well stick and ride out the remained of PH's 5 year deal and see where we are in May 2026.
 
Ron_Justice said:
Assuming the club stays in the hands of the current owner, and the Board decide to change the management team, I think you're right. On the other hand, new owner(s) would presumably mean more money so, a manager with a better Loss Ratio could be possible.

As with so many things in life, timing is key. If the board doesn't twist now (history suggests that this is the time in a season when they would) then IMO Hecky stays for the remained of his contract, at least. If, OTOH, they twist and go for a new management team now, then we're stuck with the current players and the calibre of manager would need to be MUCH higher than the likes of Potter, to get a significant enough tune out of the players to stave off relegation. If survival is the objective, even substantial changes to the playing staff, in the JTW, would be a tough ask for any manager, be they new or old.

Bottom line is, we're unlikely to survive. We don't look like being sold early enough to bring in someone good enough, in time to survive. If we're destined to go down, we're even more unlikely to attract a manager that's a genuine, marked improvement over Hecky. May as well stick and ride out the remained of PH's 5 year deal and see where we are in May 2026.
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Excellent and clear sighted summary of where we currently are.
 
Relegation is inevitable with the current situation, we have to resign ourselves to the fact that, to state the obvious, without a new owner, with decent money to invest we're going nowhere soon. I said when we dropped out of the premiership last time we needed to rebuild the whole team, even if we stayed in the championship for 2/3 years, give the younger ones a chance, and clear out the old guard, now 2 years on we're back in the top flight and it's here we go again. Get a new man in at season end, let Hecky go back to coaching, clear out Fleck,Bash,Ossie,Norwood Coubaily, Lowe etc and go with our youth and whats left
 
The 34% of people who voted for Potter.

Can we kick them out of the forum? As it’s Clear their opinion is stupid.
 
The 15% of people who voted for Wilder, can any of them say why (given his last season with us)?
 
8lade said:
The 15% of people who voted for Wilder, can any of them say why (given his last season with us)?
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Yes.

League one to PL with whilst earning the club money on transfers. Highest ever league position only 6 months (before his last season).

That was easy.
 
Bladezz said:
Yes.

League one to PL with whilst earning the club money on transfers. Highest ever league position only 6 months (before his last season).

That was easy.
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Ok I'll counter that with; he jumped ship rather than stay and fight for our place in the Premier League, the league we are currently in. Wilder is ok whilst things are going well (and asking for another pay rise) but as soon as it turned he wasn't in it for the fight. Given that United are currently fighting for their place in that league do you think somebody who isn't up for the fight is the right man for the job? (I know the answer is yes I just find your way of justifying it, mystifying).
 
8lade said:
Ok I'll counter that with; he jumped ship rather than stay and fight for our place in the Premier League, the league we are currently in. Wilder is ok whilst things are going well (and asking for another pay rise) but as soon as it turned he wasn't in it for the fight. Given that United are currently fighting for their place in that league do you think somebody who isn't up for the fight is the right man for the job? (I know the answer is yes I just find your way of justifying it, mystifying).
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You’re going off a tangent. You asked for one reason why Wilder would be good. Mine were facts that are indisputable. But you’re mentioning feelings such as asking for a pay rise. I don’t care if he asked for a wage rise but if you wish to hold that against him that’s up to you.

But personally I wouldn’t make a decision based on premier league survival and the future of our club with feelings.
 
I really enjoy a discourse on the merits of keeping/removing managers players etc but your argument here is so weak you have had to pick on an aside and make it the focal point of your argument. You have totally disregarded the points that he:
Failed to have us maintaining a challenge the last time we were in the EPL.
He wasn't ready to fight for his or United's position.
He left us after negotiating a pay off.
And you say I'm tangenting away, well yes if you ignore those points and pick on the 6 words I put in brackets!
And those are more recent facts than the ones you put in your argument.
 
8lade said:
I really enjoy a discourse on the merits of keeping/removing managers players etc but your argument here is so weak you have had to pick on an aside and make it the focal point of your argument. You have totally disregarded the points that he:
Failed to have us maintaining a challenge the last time we were in the EPL.
He wasn't ready to fight for his or United's position.
He left us after negotiating a pay off.
And you say I'm tangenting away, well yes if you ignore those points and pick on the 6 words I put in brackets!
And those are more recent facts than the ones you put in your argument.
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You asked for a reason why I gave it you.

I don’t see how this is difficult to understand. You don’t agree no issue. But it’s weird to ask something be told the answer you’re looking for? And then go off with whatever your saying now.

I’m not reading all that just how it looks hurts my eyes. Paragraphs are the future.
 

No to hassenhutl, hated him since the way they celebrated at lane as though they had won the cup. He also reminds me of someone off thunderbird with tracksuits he wears.
 
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