Hecky out?

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So?

  • Yes

    Votes: 257 58.1%

  • No

    Votes: 87 19.7%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 77 17.4%

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    Votes: 21 4.8%
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Sentiment isn’t going to get you anything here

Yes Hecky was screwed before season started, yes not much he can do now

But just sticking with him because we got up last season, there is nothing to suggest that has any more chance of happening next year if we are being honest

Maybe even pep or Fergie or Clough senior couldn’t change it but just keeping it same next year when it’s getting this bad ??

Surely if the argument is let’s keep him because we saw how he can be when it’s good etc then do we just turn our eyes when it’s this bad ??
 



Bergen Blade said:
I usually stay out of these threads, but...

IF we decided to bring someone in, or if Hecky felt himself that it could be beneficial to make a change, would it be a good idea to keep him on as Directof of Football? He's a decent bloke, speaks well... and is on a five year contract. I'm also not convinced the club has enough football men above manager level.

He's done a good job, but I've never felt we're playing brilliant football under him.
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Been saying this for ages. The lack of football know how at Board level is a stark reminder of the off field mess we are in and is in part reflected in our snail pace approach to contracts and recruitment. This position was sadly lacking last year when PH was hung out to dry by the Board over the embargo, training pitches not being available and bills not being paid affecting team preparation. Unfortunately the United World model doesn't provide for this structure with services being bought in rather than permanently on site so I don't see this as a compromise unless we are so skint we can't afford to pay him off.
 
Give Alan Knill the job
 
Personally I'd stick with hecky, but Warnock over wilder if we have to change. We need someone to motivate the players, nobody better in the game at that than Neil
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I can handle losing and relegation. I can't handle losing and relegation without putting up any kind of fight and approaching every game the same way and hoping it will somehow work this week.

Hecky is a nice guy and I'm sure a good coach, but he's out of his depth and clearly doesn't know how to change things. Another manager might not stop us getting relegated, but they might make us look organised. They might make us look like a team. They might make us resemble having some kind of approach and tactics. They might, just might, get some results from this team. They might give us something to enjoy watching and a small ray of hope that we might actually compete in a match.

Enough is enough. Hecky out. Get rid now. His record in the Championship was respectable, though the number of consistent performances and deserved wins we had under him is hugely debatable. His overall record in the Premier League is dire. And yes, we did win three matches under him last time, but two of those came AFTER relegation was confirmed. He didn't stop the rot and oversaw our biggest loss of that season.

We are an embarassment to the Premier League and to this once proud football club and breaking Derby's record isn't even a running joke now, it's a genuine reality.

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100% this, don’t mind losing or being relegated but let’s go down fighting, teams aren’t even having to try hard to beat us we are becoming a laughing stock where even scoring a goal is looking impossible.
 
I have been on team 'give Hecky time' all season, but we've gone so far backwards over the last 3 games it's frightening. How have we gone from a side who should have nicked 3 points at Spurs to this? It's not so much the fans being resigned to relegation that I mind, it's the way PH seems to be resigned to relegation too and this is translating into lower standards of acceptable performance from the squad. It's a tail spin right now, and something needs to change.
 
Even worse than under Wilder in the second season and that is saying somethimg today is the straw that broke the camels back.

He has to go now.
 
andy m said:
Love the number of people moaning about no plan B. I think we should try to come up with a plan A before moving onto a plan B.
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We have a plan A, everyone including our opposition know it, which is the problem.

We’ll rigidly stick to a formation even if it doesn’t benefit us to do so.
 
Sadly, yes.

Love the guy. I think he's a great bloke and a straight talker, but completely out of his depth.
 
Yep, gotta go. Needs a new face and the players might respond to it. We are only going one way with this manager and the longer it goes on the more unhappy players become and the more heavy defeats we will get.

We need a change.
 



Not so Slim ane said:
Personally I'd stick with hecky, but Warnock over wilder if we have to change. We need someone to motivate the players, nobody better in the game at that than Neil
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Neil fucking warnock! you should be banned for that suggestion 🤣
 
Are the players THAT bad? Honestly? Are these the same players that until Kulusevski scored in the 90+11 minutes had fought so much in the previous 3/4 games? What has changed? For me, Hecky doesnt have a Plan B. Plan A it seems is lets not get beat. When we concede - and we have done that first in every game apart from Spurs! Then there is nothing. He has done a great job, better than expected but I would expect more from this set of players and as a manager the buck stops with him.

Who do we turn too? Well, that is the million pound question? And that is my problem, I really don't know!

But I do know what I do want. A team that FIGHTS! That gives a shit. That can be achieved with these players but they seem to be lacking motivation!! That again rests with the manager.

Oh and the Prince needs to drop his price tag and FUCK OFF
 
ekke287 said:
Asaba on RS spotted the weakness in our tactics within 2 minutes of todays game, and was getting audibly frustrated that it wasn’t being addressed.

The same continued until they inevitably scored.

How anyone can look at these performances and think we’re competing is beyond me, and for me it’s a painful combination of hecky being unable to positively affect changes, and the players being all over the place.

We need to drop 352 asap and start working on a new style pronto as we’re painfully weak atm.
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I don't think the system matters that much.

It's the style of play i.e. how we are to go about creating chances.

We create so few whilst at the same time we seem so wide open.

You have senior players paid a fortune crossing the ball straight out of play (yes you Bogle). How unacceptable is that?

I'm not for making change for the sake of it. However, if someone comes up with a manager who is a good alternative you'd have to consider it. I know barring a miracle we'll go down, but going down with no identity and no style could set us back years.

If Asaba stops being on your side, then you know the pressure is on. He's one of the most positive supporters of the club and of Hecky and once a manager starts describing things you're not seeing as a fan, then things go south very quickly.

The second goal was bad luck. But we were never a threat and as some have suggested since Ndiaye left, I have no idea what the style of play is now supposed to be. Though that said, we turn the ball over so easily that it is difficult to have any style of play where you surrender the ball so readily.

Today was pretty confidence sapping for anyone that watched.

Losing Bash as well was the icing on a pretty sour tasting cake.

Get well soon Bash.
 
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Bladesman said:
Why does he need to? He has the club up for sale. He wants out.

He isn't picking the team and managing the players.
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What a naive post. It’s all down to the owner . The players are not up to the Premier standard on all parameters . The owner didn’t want to risk what it would take to have a go at staying up. It’s his money,he can do what he wants. The Manager is a marginal figure.
Why is anyone surprised with where we are ?
 
Chilttheblade said:
What a naive post. It’s all down to the owner . The players are not up to the Premier standard on all parameters . The owner didn’t want to risk what it would take to have a go at staying up. It’s his money,he can do what he wants. The Manager is a marginal figure.
Why is anyone surprised with where we are ?
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Hecky got most of the players he asked for and many of us wanted as well.
 
Chilttheblade said:
What a naive post. It’s all down to the owner . The players are not up to the Premier standard on all parameters . The owner didn’t want to risk what it would take to have a go at staying up. It’s his money,he can do what he wants. The Manager is a marginal figure.
Why is anyone surprised with where we are ?
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Because we spent £28m on 2 midfielders who look dreadful if we are being honest. Things like this don’t help.
 
If you don't make mistakes, you're doing it wrong.If you don't correct those mistakes, you're doing it really wrong.If you can't accept that you're mistaken, you're not doing it at all.
So get him gone
 
Today was Heckys last chance get someone in now he’s totally out of his depth .
He’s not a leader and the players aren’t feeling it get Potter in now.
 
I posted a couple of weeks ago that while ever hecky had the fans and players onside he must stay, and I must applaud the fans who made the journey to craven cottage today, they were magnificent for the whole game and given what they were watching it was astonishing, but the feeling on here by fans seems to have changed drastically, as regards the players, i don't know their feelings but you've got to assume that the longer this run lasts of not only poor results but terrible performances their faith will be tested if it isn't already, he comes across as a great bloke and nobody likes seeing great blokes shafted, and the players may feel conflicted, but whatever the prince is thinking now I think it won't be long before he has to make a decision, does he make a change now there's a chance of turning this around, albeit slight, or does he sit it out in the hope that things will take an upturn.
I know I wouldn't feel good about sacking someone who's given his all even if it meant that the business would be successful
 
Bobby b said:
I posted a couple of weeks ago that while ever hecky had the fans and players onside he must stay, and I must applaud the fans who made the journey to craven cottage today, they were magnificent for the whole game and given what they were watching it was astonishing, but the feeling on here by fans seems to have changed drastically, as regards the players, i don't know their feelings but you've got to assume that the longer this run lasts of not only poor results but terrible performances their faith will be tested if it isn't already, he comes across as a great bloke and nobody likes seeing great blokes shafted, and the players may feel conflicted, but whatever the prince is thinking now I think it won't be long before he has to make a decision, does he make a change now there's a chance of turning this around, albeit slight, or does he sit it out in the hope that things will take an upturn.
I know I wouldn't feel good about sacking someone who's given his all even if it meant that the business would be successful
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The Prince accepted relegation in the summer before a ball was kicked. That much was obvious from the lack of transfer funds until Ndiaye and Berge were sold. It's whether he's willing to see us relegated as the worst team in Premier League history and go down without a fight with piss poor performances every match, or whether he accepts relegation but wants to at least see us try to stay up, at which point he'll sack Hecky.

He probably wants him to stay as he was willing to do with Wilder, let's not forget that he walked, he wasn't sacked. But surely seeing lifeless pathetic limp performances every week, and Hecky doing the same thing week in, week out then spouting positive utter drivel in post match interviews will test the Prince? Surely he can see that we are absolute dog crap and an embarassment to this club and that there are no signs of us even coming close to scoring let alone winning? How long does he allow this to go on? This is where fans need to umderstand the difference between performance and results. A poor performance and loss is unacceptable. If we resembled a organised team with a clear approach to matches both off and on the ball then losses would be easier to take. What we're seeing is utter lifeless garbage with no inspiration coming from a tactically clueless manager who is drowning due to his own limitations, let alone squad limitations.

If he's serious about selling then no one will buy us this season. The valuation of the club will plummet the second we are relegated and they will make an instant loss if they're dumb enough to buy us this season. On the flip side if we go down as the worst ever Premier League and smash Derby's unwanted record, which is highly likely, then no buyers want to buy the club with Hecky as manager if we went down in that manner, so he'll be gone next summer anyway.

Hecky is not at fault for what goes on off the pitch, other than his horrendous injuries record in training which simply cannot be put down to bad luck anymore. Tom Davies, plays 20 mins last week, now he's injured and out for months due to midweek training. It's beyond a joke now. He's also 100% responsible for everything that happens in matches. He picks the formation. He picks the tactics and set up. He picks the players. It's his job to make changes and coach the players to make improvements. He keeps doing the same things over and over and we are getting worse with every game.

The Prince can choose to use this international break to bring in someone to stop the rot and at least go down fighting, or stick with Hecky, at which point Derby fans are about to become Hecky's biggest admirers.

There's no place for loyalty and sentiment in football. This is a huge week for the Prince and media silence coming from the club is almost as unacceptable as the current performances and results.
 
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Still say that what happened to Bash today totally knocked the players and management. It must have been hard to try and play thinking about your friend and colleague suffering that injury. Same with hecky, probably trying to get the team playing whilst thinking about bash. Can't have been easy for any of them. We have had a tough few weeks as a club and it's got to affect people
 
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