James McAtee

[Oreyt]

 

[Gee]

Doyle is a Loan with an 5m option and sell on according to sky, what a bargain

 

[Harrisblade]

It depends whether they want him playing a brand of football completely different to what they play or not, you stick him in our team at the moment and it will teach him things about the PL and how to struggle at the bottom, City might not want that.

It's all supposition on my part though. I imagine they'd rather him play similarly to how they play to develop him in their mould of a footballer, if this is the case then the top of the Championship is probably the best place for him, unless a decent European side are interested.

But can really good footballers only ever play in one way (and it must also be easy for them?)

 

[jt64]

With the difference that City spend less for FFP. £5m my harris

It's exactly the same from that point of view?

 

[NerdyBlade]

Doyle going to Wolves for 5mil with a 50% sell on according to Romano

Chelsea in for Palmer as well probably scuppers us for Mcatee so not sure where we go from here, especially with Pellistri looking very unlikely

 

[Macfarlane21]

Looks like we are going to end up with egg on our face for holding out for McAtee and thinking Doyle would be the back up option. With the way Chelsea spend money, we'll end up not getting either

 

[designedbyross]

If Doyle is a loan to buy for Wolves then at least that’s one less team after McAtee on loan. £5m fee is a bargain though

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Is it just me who’s no longer arsed about Doyle or McAtee? We don’t need Doyle and McAtee I fear would get swallowed up in the Prem.

Need some creativity that comes with battling qualities like Ndiaye and MGW. Yes I know we won’t get as good but McAtee isn’t that.

 

[paidsy]

Looks like we are going to end up with egg on our face for holding out for McAtee and thinking Doyle would be the back up option. With the way Chelsea spend money, we'll end up not getting either

We will only end up with egg on our face if we have no other options ready to go.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Doyle is a Loan with an 5m option and sell on according to sky, what a bargain

Your comment is misleading though because Doyle hasn’t been sold for 5 million…..he’s part of a swap.

If the difference between the 2 is £42 million…then there’s loads of options.

Man City could pay 100 million for the Wolves player as long as they agree to pay 56 million for Doyle
or what about buying paying 70 million for the Wolves player and then Wolves must pay 28 million for Doyle
or what about 47 million for the Wolves player and then the Doyle signing can be declared as 5 milliom.

The difference to the clubs is exactly the same.
I suppose it might lower tax if the values are set lower than market value.

 

[JayGreen17]

Absolutely gutted about Doyle….

Wolves have a massive bargain here

 

[loyalblade95]

If the £5m figure is correct then that is an absolute snip.

I wonder if it's cheaper as a sweetener for Nunes?

Surely Doyle hasn't been available for £5m all summer and we haven't taken it.

50% sell on clause though. Can't recall ever seeing a sell on clause that high before.

 

[JayGreen17]

Your comment is misleading though because Doyle hasn’t been sold for 5 million…..he’s part of a swap.

If the difference between the 2 is £42 million…then there’s loads of options.

Man City could pay 100 million for the Wolves player as long as they agree to pay 56 million for Doyle
or what about buying paying 70 million for the Wolves player and then Wolves must pay 28 million for Doyle
or what about 47 million for the Wolves player and then the Doyle signing can be declared as 5 milliom.

The difference to the clubs is exactly the same.
I suppose it might lower tax if the values are set lower than market value.

He’s not part of the swap, it’s just been confirmed, it’s a completely separate deal.

 

[Slim Man]

On the upside, he’s not as good as Nunes. Weakens Wolves.

 

[Slim Man]

He’s not part of the swap, it’s just been confirmed, it’s a completely separate deal.

Oh yeah, it’s definitely not related. At all.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Is it just me who’s no longer arsed about Doyle or McAtee? We don’t need Doyle and McAtee I fear would get swallowed up in the Prem.

Need some creativity that comes with battling qualities like Ndiaye and MGW. Yes I know we won’t get as good but McAtee isn’t that.

Doyle is a great all rounder ….you could build a team around him in the Championship….he’d be one of the best players in that division
but he’s not got top quality for the Premier League. hHe’s still young though, likely to improve so has massive potential.

McAtee is the opposite to Doyle.
No where near the level of consistency but every now and then produces top PL quality, like a poor man’s Phil Foden
who knows if he can do it in the PL…so would be a risk.

 

[Slim Man]

Feels like this is the sting in the tail re Mcatee



Can see this still happening and scuppering our chances of getting any attacker / creator in on loan.

Shouldn’t have all our eggs in one basket

 

[Sheffsteel]

He’s not part of the swap, it’s just been confirmed, it’s a completely separate deal.

Obviously that’s not really the case.
Maybe they don’t want to be accused of artificially setting the value low to avoid taxes/ ffp whatever.
Just seen the message below £15 million, seems more reasonable and Man City have the option to buy his back just in case he does well in the PL.

 

[Champagneblade]

He’s not part of the swap, it’s just been confirmed, it’s a completely separate deal.

Doesn’t matter if they tie it directly or not, the terms of Doyle going would have been part of the negotiation for the other lad, whether it is set as a swap or two separate deals.

 

[sheff_blade90]

there saying 15m with hefty sell on feee

 

[Sheffsteel]

Shouldn’t have all our eggs in one basket

We haven’t got all our eggs in one basket.
Bettis and Hecky aren‘t stupid, Theres option A, option B and option C and even option D.
We’re bringing in a loan or 2, no matter what and I’m not in the know.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Shouldn’t have all our eggs in one basket

I mean we haven’t have we

Pelistri
Carney C
Palmer
Diallo
Mcatee - ? /

The issues is the clubs haven’t released them to us.

It’s not looking like we’re going to get anyone of sufficient quality to fill the gaps left by mcatee or Ndaiye.

It’s a massively worry atm.

 

[Rupicola]

We need 2 attacking midfielders, just incase of injuries.

 

[Colombia Blade]

I'm still not sure where Doyle would have fit into our current team. Realistically, we can either play with 3 in midfield with 2 forwards (which considering McBurnie's impact on Sunday I think is most likely), or 2 in midfield with 2 attacking midfielders behind a loan striker (similar to how we played on occasions last season)...



Here's how our flat 3 looked in the good Premier League season, very balanced:


And how McAtee, Doyle and Berge looked last season, again, fairly balanced:


Fairly similar, altho you could argue Doyle and Berge sat a little deeper, with McAtee and Ndiaye further forward supporting the striker.

Either way, as others have pointed out, Doyle is clearly a Norwood replacement in the middle, not a Fleck/Lundstram or McAtee/Berge replacement either side. But we already have an abundance of players who can play that central role (Doyle could be even better than any of them there to be fair). You can see where Norwood and Doyle play above, and here's where Hamer (last season), Souza (last season) and Davies (20/21 when he was last playing regularly) typically play:


So if we did get the dream deal of McAtee on loan and Doyle on a perm, and we're determined to play Doyle, then with 3 in the middle, Doyle takes Souza's place (would we be happy with this?) with McAtee and Hamer left and right (Hamer has regularly played the Lundstram/Berge RCM role as well as in the centre). However, we probably can't afford Doyle, so he would be a loan instead of McAtee and therefore no one on the left for balance (maybe Larouci could play there?!) meaning an extra player to loan/buy.

Two in midfield seems a little better, with Doyle next to Souza and Hamer further forward. But that still leaves us McAtee-less. We'd still need someone to play on the left (again, Larouci?!) - actually, in his last two seasons in the Championship with Boro and Preston, Archer typically found himself in the advanced left area similar to what McAtee occupied, so maybe that would be another option there?

I think we'll see 3 in midfield more often than 2, so in that case, if Doyle comes into the team on loan, Souza likely drops out of the starting 11 and we would need to buy/loan a Fleck/McAtee replacement which for me would obviously be Lewis O'Brien. But then if we can get McAtee on loan, we wouldn't need to spend extra on O'Brien (who Forest probably don't want to sell to us anyway) and we wouldn't need to relegate an expensive signing to the bench (who already has Norwood and Davies as backup).

For me, I'd be pushing the boat out to get McAtee or if not possible, I'd be looking for a McAtee-like left-sided player as the absolute priority. Unfortunately for Tommy, and as much as I agree with everyone that he'd be a great signing, I just don't think his position is a priority for us right now...

 

[Brownieblade]

Looks like we are going to end up with egg on our face for holding out for McAtee and thinking Doyle would be the back up option. With the way Chelsea spend money, we'll end up not getting either

We don’t need Doyle tbf

 

[Slim Man]

I mean we haven’t have we

Pelistri
Carney C
Palmer
Diallo
Mcatee - ? /

It’s not looking like we’re going to get anyone of sufficient quality to fill the gaps left by mcatee or Ndaiye.

It’s a massively worry atm.

You need a bigger net than 5 players, especially when a couple of them are very optimistic targets

 

[Slim Man]

We haven’t got all our eggs in one basket.
Bettis and Hecky aren‘t stupid, Theres option A, option B and option C and even option D.
We’re bringing in a loan or 2, no matter what.

We’ll see

 

[Macfarlane21]

We will only end up with egg on our face if we have no other options ready to go.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

You need a bigger net than 5 players, especially when a couple of them are very optimistic targets

I’m not professing to know who we are after merely looking at the ones that have been rumoured in the press

We clearly have more irons in the fire - so it’s pointless suggesting we’ve all our eggs in one basket.

The issue is we haven’t got them over the line

 

[s20Blade]

Think we've already done some good buisness even without anyone else. Solved the Ndiaye and Berge problem walking for free with a obvious improvement.