Would you have swapped

[Nick Jansky]

I know that it’s all about opinions but I’m amazed at the negativity surrounding Berge. I thought he was excellent for us last season and the promotion video shows just how often he was involved in the key moments that won games for us; without him we wouldn’t have gone up.
I only watch the Blades (so I won’t be following his career at Burnley) but I really rated him. Seemed like a model pro, was a crucial cog in a successful team and was apparently well respected by Hecky and the boys; as far as I’m concerned, GLTTL.

Agree 100% with this.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Anyone pre judging right now when they haven't really settled or even joined is a bit silly. I do think we would have got at least a point from both games with last season's squads and didn't with this.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

N’Diaye leaving broke all our hearts, but it could turn out to be the shrewdest bit of business we’ve done.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Well there's a few things that worry me here,
1/ IF Ndiaye turned out to be the best thing since sliced Bread in the Prem just how long do you seriously believe we could have held on to him ?
2/ If unfortunately he didn't turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread or got seriously injured (not unknown for us) how do we replace him ?
And 3/ Both guys wanted to go, if not this season then next for nothing and that's Football ......

 

[Norwood's 6 iron]

Just accept it, Ndiaye didn't want to stay so the discussions regarding what might have happened this season with him is a total waste of time. It didn't matter what we offered him, he was going.
It should perhaps be noted that not one of the really top teams in Europe looked at signing him.
Berge is a slightly different argument, and only time will tell if swopping Hamer for Berge is a good move. I'll bet it is.

 

[NateDogg]

Until we get settled in the PL (if we ever do) we've got to get used to selling our best assets at the right time, for the highest money we can and replacing them with equal to or almost as good as for less money. We've now started this process.

Never wanted to sell Ndiaye but looking back I understand why we had to to fund who we've brought in. Still gutted about Ndiaye, not really about Berge but would have been worse getting relegated and seeing them both walk for nowt in 12 months. How would we have started the rebuild?

 

[IOM Blade]

With a bit of balls and forward planing, we could have had all five.

 

[Bladesince59]

Ndiaye and Berge for Archer, Hamer and Souza at the start of the season if you had the choice? Tough one as we don't know the relative impacts. But I'm beginning to think we have a chance now.

YES

 

[Pawk Patrol]

Didn’t see this level of bed wetting from Brentford fans when they sold Maupay and Watkins.

 

[jt64]

Didn’t see this level of bed wetting from Brentford fans when they sold Maupay and Watkins.

Having an extremely competent recruitment, scouting and analysis setup will cause that

 

[Overthehills]

The loss of Ndiaye is going to feel like a loss and make many feel aggrieved for quite some time. He was a class act that who arose from nowhere and who delivered the promised land for us.....

As fans we are quite fickle and the quickest way to at least alleviate the current feelings of the Ndiaye sale, is for Archer to come in and pick up where Ndiaye left off.

We have to remind ourselves that Illy wanted to leave us at the end of the day and whilst some might feel that we should have done everything we can to hold on, it was extremely difficult. Should Archer excel and should we achieve safety, we may well begin to look at Ndiaye with the alternate view of 'look what you could have had'....

As for Berge.... Yes he was a rolls royce WHEN at his best. However this was few and far apart...... I don't feel we consistently had the best out of him and I didn't have much of a problem with him leaving. His replacements are top notch and offer more going forwards!

 

[Norwood's 6 iron]

As for Berge.... Yes he was a rolls royce WHEN at his best. However this was few and far apart...... I don't feel we consistently had the best out of him and I didn't have much of a problem with him leaving. His replacements are top notch and offer more going forwards!

Berge was like a Rolls Royce with defective steering, ok going down the right but get him on his left and he was a different player. As others have said, when you needed a player to get stuck in and turn a game around it wasn't him.
He was a bit like a Rolls Royce with a 900cc engine.

 

[alcoblade]

I know that it’s all about opinions but I’m amazed at the negativity surrounding Berge. I thought he was excellent for us last season and the promotion video shows just how often he was involved in the key moments that won games for us; without him we wouldn’t have gone up.
I only watch the Blades (so I won’t be following his career at Burnley) but I really rated him. Seemed like a model pro, was a crucial cog in a successful team and was apparently well respected by Hecky and the boys; as far as I’m concerned, GLTTL.

When Berge was hot, he was very hot. There were two problems;

He wasn't hot regularly enough (game to game and within games)​

You could predict the cold spells- and that's when we ere off the ball.​

Given that we'll be on the back foot in the main this season, I don't think we'll miss him and we've done excellent business "swapping" him for Hamer.

 

[Pintor75]

Just remember Alex Sabella, as someone said on one of these threads, 3 moves in front of everyone when he played here, but he hardly set the world on fire afterwards,

 

[CPB]

Ndiaye and Berge for Archer, Hamer and Souza at the start of the season if you had the choice? Tough one as we don't know the relative impacts. But I'm beginning to think we have a chance now.

I'd have swapped sander for Hamer. But I do still like sander.

We could have still got Souza on loan I believe. And truth be told N'Diaye over Archer for me.

Speaking of which where is Archer?

 

[Need4speed]

It isn't a simple as just comparing the player attributes. We have swapped two players who would have been in the last year of their contracts for players on 3/4 year deals .That is a big plus. Just imagine what January would have been like - another month of uncertainty and speculation and with zero chance of getting replacements. So yes I am pleased with this summers dealings

 

[blade too long]

ndiaye improved 100 per cent under Hecky , hes struggling at Marseille , isnt impressing and keeps getting hooked off

what hecky will do is bring on Slimane Souza Traore and Archer as Ndiaye slips back in his career as hes not getting the growth he had here

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Given the players we've now brought in, I get the feeling that Plan A was always for Ndiaye and Berge to leave, and we had a target list identified with that in mind, but when Ndiaye suddenly appeared to want a new contract (against all expectations) that put everything on hold for weeks.

Then after his last minute U turn we ended up back at square one with pre-season almost done.

If he'd said from the off that he wanted to sign for Marseille I think we'd have mostly got the same players in, just weeks earlier and we wouldn't have wasted a week in Portugal training for a gameplan that was binned off as soon as we got back.

It's all the wasted time that's made this feel like such a chaotic window, the actual recruitment has been decent.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I'd have rather kept N'Diaye AND signed who we have so far. Next question?

 

[Norwood's 6 iron]

The one thing that clubs can't control is the influence that an agent can have on a player.
Ndiaye is a slightly different case as Marseille are his first love but Berge I can't get my head around, why you would leave here to go to Burnley.
I suppose you can split players into 2 camps, those that want to win things and those that are in it for the money.
The best example of a player making the wrong move is Djed Spence, went to Spurs and hasn't he played something like 12 minutes for them.

 

[straight_outta_compton]

Let's forget Berge now, hes Burnleys problem from now on.

Think Berge made a big mistake choosing Burnley (if he had much say in the choice!). His career won't progress with them. His agent should have been pushing for a move overseas or to a top prem team

 

[alcoblade]

Think Berge made a big mistake choosing Burnley (if he had much say in the choice!). His career won't progress with them. His agent should have been pushing for a move overseas or to a top prem team

No top prem team would have taken Berge. He's simply not good enough.

 

[BigBed]

Think Berge made a big mistake choosing Burnley (if he had much say in the choice!). His career won't progress with them. His agent should have been pushing for a move overseas or to a top prem team

Hes nowhere near good enough for a top prem team!

 

[Yoonited]

The one thing that clubs can't control is the influence that an agent can have on a player.
Ndiaye is a slightly different case as Marseille are his first love but Berge I can't get my head around, why you would leave here to go to Burnley.
I suppose you can split players into 2 camps, those that want to win things and those that are in it for the money.
The best example of a player making the wrong move is Djed Spence, went to Spurs and hasn't he played something like 12 minutes for them.

Perhaps he rates Kompany above HeckyI doubt a Norwegian would have a similar and perhaps unfair perspective of "Burnley".
Depends whether you're judging it as a town or a club with arguably as much history as us. Its rarely as simplistic as you might be suggesting

 

[vegleeds]

Just accept it, Ndiaye didn't want to stay so the discussions regarding what might have happened this season with him is a total waste of time. It didn't matter what we offered him, he was going.
It should perhaps be noted that not one of the really top teams in Europe looked at signing him.
Berge is a slightly different argument, and only time will tell if swopping Hamer for Berge is a good move. I'll bet it is.

Exactly this. Although we'll never know for sure the outcome if he'd stayed with the Blades, his success (or otherwise) when now playing elsewhere, should give us some indication.

 

[8lade]

Perfect example of moneyball, I had no idea what that was about without watching this clip. I had no interest in a film about baseball but this clip explaining the moneyball principle is quite interesting.


Somethings cannot be directly replaced so you replace them with something/s which gives the same result

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Per everyone else, was absolutely gutted to see Ndiaye go but was sales are inevitable for a club of our size. The really disappointing thing for me was the manner of how the sale was handled.
We should have negotiated our replacement deals before sanctioning any sale, instead we've just wasted two huge opportunities for points through being absolutely toothless in attack.

We danced to Marseille's tune when they stomped their little feet issuing bullshit ultimatums.
Ultimately, we got a poor price for the lad too. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that more clubs weren't in for him.

I really rated Berge as a player but his inconsistencies and injury troubles became such that I thought he'd be a replaceable commodity at the fee we'd get for him (even in his final year).
And I'm pretty sure we'll be proven right on that with Hamer.

 

[jt64]

ndiaye improved 100 per cent under Hecky , hes struggling at Marseille , isnt impressing and keeps getting hooked off

You have five subs to use these days. Most of the time these are not used on defenders. It would be a story if he was playing 90 minutes, not the other way around.

 

[blade too long]

You have five subs to use these days. Most of the time these are not used on defenders. It would be a story if he was playing 90 minutes, not the other way around.

be the story if he was scoring more than 5 on ratings